Hornets Regret Signing Posey Already?

[winsomme]

Here's one game that Posey very well could have made a difference in.

  Especially if he knows how to inbound the ball properly.

If the bench had played a little better, the game may not have come down to one play.  Posey not only would have added talent to our bench, but he would have helped with unity.

yeah, the starters really had an uphill battle in this game with how our bench played.

[wahz]

Part of the problem is that Doc ends up looking like he doesn't know what he is doing when he looks down the bench and he doesn't have the posey plug in piece. that piece comes in and defends the wing, swings the ball, fits naturally with the big three and is not a bad answer to any question except who do you want at the point?

but he could have been replaced by a wing who defends and can spread the floor and we needed to replace pj too. Is it so hard for some to see that we lost PJ and Posey and we didn't replace them at all?? DA never completed this bench and we are suffering from it. Can anyone disagree with that??

[BballTim]

Here's one game that Posey very well could have made a difference in.

  Especially if he knows how to inbound the ball properly.

If the bench had played a little better, the game may not have come down to one play.  Posey not only would have added talent to our bench, but he would have helped with unity.

  I was being facetious. If you'd have said that Posey would have helped us beat the Lakers I probably would have said "sure, if he was a referee".

  I'm not denying that Posey would help, just like you're not denying that we can win a title without him.

[winsomme]

Here's one game that Posey very well could have made a difference in.

  Especially if he knows how to inbound the ball properly.

If the bench had played a little better, the game may not have come down to one play.  Posey not only would have added talent to our bench, but he would have helped with unity.

  I was being facetious. If you'd have said that Posey would have helped us beat the Lakers I probably would have said "sure, if he was a referee".

  I'm not denying that Posey would help, just like you're not denying that we can win a title without him.

I'm not denying that we could win a Title without him either....I'd just rather not have to find out.

[cordobes]

Assessing decision making with the benefit of hindsight makes no sense. If KG had broken his leg in Rome last season, would anyone consider the decision of trading for him a mistake?

Most of the reasonings that sustain that not signing Posey was a good decision conveniently forget that Ainge wanted to sign him for 3 years. Saying that Ainge didn't sign Posey because he chose to have the budge to sign X next off-season is ridiculous.

[cordobes]

Good chance that the report from Ken Berger is incorrect. It's a follow up report from, I'm guessing, another incorrect report on the Marion-Chandler trade discussions.

The Hornets knew exactly what their luxury tax situation was prior to signing Posey. They sold their draft pick so that they'd be able to be comfortable signing Posey.

It's hard to believe that just six or so months later they've discovered a money problem. If the Hornets are interested in trading one of their key players, I doubt it's financially motivated.

Yeps, I was going to write something like this.

[winsomme]

Good chance that the report from Ken Berger is incorrect. It's a follow up report from, I'm guessing, another incorrect report on the Marion-Chandler trade discussions.

The Hornets knew exactly what their luxury tax situation was prior to signing Posey. They sold their draft pick so that they'd be able to be comfortable signing Posey.

It's hard to believe that just six or so months later they've discovered a money problem. If the Hornets are interested in trading one of their key players, I doubt it's financially motivated.

Yeps, I was going to write something like this.

they may have known their lux tax situation, but they didn't know how they were going to struggle to start the season and they didn't know that the economy was going to tank in overdrive.

remember, they traded a valuable draft pick for cash. i personally think they should sit tight, but i  wouldn't be surprised if they made some crazy moves.

[cordobes]

I'd make a deal for him a heartbeat, the 4th years be [dang]ed.  The C's need help this year and there might not be anything worth playing for 3 years from now. 

And this is why I'm glad Danny is the GM and not any of us.  Exhibit 1.

And what exactly is the risk of having Posey on the books in 2011-2012 season?  Allen will be going on 37, KG 36, and Pierce 35.  Is there a chance we're still contending?  Sure.  But not nearly as good of a one as we have now. 

If Ainge has another way to add a piece without taking up room in 2011-2012, I'm all for it.  But with every year he lets slip by, the chance of one of the Big Three getting a serious, career-ending injury grows.  If the C's lose a close game 7 this year, I think we have Ainge to blame for kidding himself that the C's will be good enough for financial flexibility to matter in 2011-2012.   

Singing Posey decreases the Celtics flexibility to sign FA in 2009, 2010 and 2011 (or flip some expiring 2010 deals next year to a team looking to dump a quality player)

off the top of my head example: Scal, TA, House for Chris Kaman

Currently the Celtics are poised to do some retooling in the next year or two to either go for another run with Pierce and Garnett, or make moves for the future.

Heck with out Posey's 4th year in 2011, the C's are poised to go after 1-2 max level free agents.

The point is that without Posey's long deal, the C's have flexibility.

I'm going to reserve my judgement on the Posey decision until 2 years from now.

It's amazing that people still believe that not signing Posey will give the C's any kind of salary flexibility to sign FA in 2009 and 2010. There's a reason why Ainge offered him a 3 year contract: it didn't have that kind of an impact.

[twinbree]

I'm sure the Hornets will appreciate Posey's usefulness in the playoffs. He's probably more valuable for the Celtics than the Hornets but I'm fine with the decision not to have Posey back. The Celtics were lucky last year but thin bench this year shows the problem with having so much money tied up in a few players.
With the Big 3 and Posey and probably Rondo making max money who would have been the bench? Baby and Leon's contracts are up this summer. I just wish they'd have signed someone other than TA to replace him.

[Vermont Green]

DA never completed this bench and we are suffering from it. Can anyone disagree with that??

This is a fair statement but remember, the opportunity to "complete the bench" has not closed.  We still have one more shot to do something.

[Vermont Green]

Most of the "see, I told you we needed Posey" type posts are presenting their argument in the context of the rest of the team would be what we ended up with.  I think the likely reality is that if we had signed Posey, that the effect would have been no House and no Tony Allen (this is hypothetical but so isn't everything else).

So would we be better if that is the case (for example would we have more wins right now)?

[Roy Hobbs]

Most of the "see, I told you we needed Posey" type posts are presenting their argument in the context of the rest of the team would be what we ended up with.  I think the likely reality is that if we had signed Posey, that the effect would have been no House and no Tony Allen (this is hypothetical but so isn't everything else).

So would we be better if that is the case (for example would we have more wins right now)?

Well, who were we replacing House with?  The team would have signed somebody to play point; they wouldn't have gone into the season with just Rondo, Pruitt and Sam.

As for Tony, good riddance.

[winsomme]

I'm sure the Hornets will appreciate Posey's usefulness in the playoffs. He's probably more valuable for the Celtics than the Hornets but I'm fine with the decision not to have Posey back. The Celtics were lucky last year but thin bench this year shows the problem with having so much money tied up in a few players.
With the Big 3 and Posey and probably Rondo making max money who would have been the bench? Baby and Leon's contracts are up this summer. I just wish they'd have signed someone other than TA to replace him.

the Cs were lucky? I don't think that is fair to say.

[twinbree]

I'm sure the Hornets will appreciate Posey's usefulness in the playoffs. He's probably more valuable for the Celtics than the Hornets but I'm fine with the decision not to have Posey back. The Celtics were lucky last year but thin bench this year shows the problem with having so much money tied up in a few players.
With the Big 3 and Posey and probably Rondo making max money who would have been the bench? Baby and Leon's contracts are up this summer. I just wish they'd have signed someone other than TA to replace him.

the Cs were lucky? I don't think that is fair to say.

I didn't mean lucky to win the championship. Lucky they had some fairly inexpensive but good role players when they had a lot of money tied up in the Big 3 so it didn't hurt them that the bench didn't have much value to facilitate any good trades. This season I don't know if that'll be the case.

[winsomme]

I'm sure the Hornets will appreciate Posey's usefulness in the playoffs. He's probably more valuable for the Celtics than the Hornets but I'm fine with the decision not to have Posey back. The Celtics were lucky last year but thin bench this year shows the problem with having so much money tied up in a few players.
With the Big 3 and Posey and probably Rondo making max money who would have been the bench? Baby and Leon's contracts are up this summer. I just wish they'd have signed someone other than TA to replace him.

the Cs were lucky? I don't think that is fair to say.

I didn't mean lucky to win the championship. Lucky they had some fairly inexpensive but good role players when they had a lot of money tied up in the Big 3 so it didn't hurt them that the bench didn't have much value to facilitate any good trades. This season I don't know if that'll be the case.

ah. gotcha.