POB

[ScoobyDoo]

I do like Pachulia, I like his toughness in the paint and I wouldn't mind picking him up at the right money. Still, I'm going to keep a guarded optimism on POB, because if he pans out as a decent back up, he provides shot blocking ability Pachulia can't. I wouldn't mind Perk / Pachulia / O'Bryant...

I agree shuttlesworth, all I'm sayign is I think he might be worthy of getting 5-10 mintues a night, see if he can do a couple good things. My point also being, that even 5-10 decent minutes a night from a true center footer who can affect some shots is something the team could defiantely use given we have basically no back up center with legit height... 

[Chris]

I agree shuttlesworth, all I'm sayign is I think he might be worthy of getting 5-10 mintues a night, see if he can do a couple good things. My point also being, that even 5-10 decent minutes a night from a true center footer who can affect some shots is something the team could defiantely use given we have basically no back up center with legit height... 

Until he learns where he is supposed to be on both offense and defense, he is not worthy of anything. 

[Birdbrain]

Hopefully all the BBD is awful posters will be back to admit how wrong they were about POB as well...  Just my opinion but, I think some of you are setting yourself up again.  He has good offensive moves and he can block shots.  If you can't see that he has talent and is trying I don't know what else to say. All he needs to do is to continue to gain weight and keep working on his post defense.  In fact I'll predict at this time next year he'll be in bench rotation. Preferably replacing Powe. But what do I know I think TA provides good minutes off the bench.

[Chris]

Hopefully all the BBD is awful posters will be back to admit how wrong they were about POB as well...  Just my opinion but, I think some of you are setting yourself up again.  He has good offensive moves and he can block shots.  If you can't see that he has talent and is trying I don't know what else to say. All he needs to do is to continue to gain weight and keep working on his post defense.  In fact I'll predict at this time next year he'll be in bench rotation. Preferably replacing Powe. But what do I know I think TA provides good minutes off the bench.

That's fine, but there is a big difference between having talent and trying, and being ready to see regular minutes for a championship team. 

You may be right that he will be in the rotation by this time next year...but he absolutely does not deserve to be on the floor at this time this year.  And that is all that matters, because if someone comes along who does in fact deserve to be on the floor at this time this year, then I am afraid POB will be the odd man out, despite his "upside".

[liam]

Giving credit where credit is due POB did a fabulous job of establishing position on that basket he made. He got the position, held off his defender and positioned his defender under the basket, and finished the turn and lay in. He had a great backdoor pass into Ray Allen that Ray missed the bunny on. He had a block. And I think a couple of rebounds.

POB's passing from the high post is always fun to watch.  It seems like he has a nice pass to a backdoor cut every time he plays.

I thought he played pretty well last night.  It would be nice to see him get 5 minutes per night, just to work on things and to see if there is actual progress.

I think his passing is his best skill. Very good passer.

[Atzar]

I'm sorry, but there's no way this kid should be thrown to the wolves against Pau.  Gasol is an All-Star, knows how to score the rock against much better defenders than POB and will dismantle him.  We want to try to build his confidence, not demolish it in one shot. 

Right now, POB looks pretty good on offense.  He can create his own offense to an extent when allowed to do so, has some promising post moves and has a respectable 15-footer.  He also seems to be a pretty good passer.  Defense is going to be the thing that determines his place in this league.  It's not about effort anymore.  If you watch him, you can tell he's trying, but you can also tell that he really doesn't get it at this point.

If he fills out and the light bulb turns on, he could be a very good player - seven-footers with that kind of length and decent athleticism don't grow on trees.  At this point though, that's a big 'if,' and it may not be one that we have time to wait on.

[Edgar]

I'm sorry, but there's no way this kid should be thrown to the wolves against Pau.  Gasol is an All-Star, knows how to score the rock against much better defenders than POB and will dismantle him.  We want to try to build his confidence, not demolish it in one shot. 

Right now, POB looks pretty good on offense.  He can create his own offense to an extent when allowed to do so, has some promising post moves and has a respectable 15-footer.  He also seems to be a pretty good passer.  Defense is going to be the thing that determines his place in this league.  It's not about effort anymore.  If you watch him, you can tell he's trying, but you can also tell that he really doesn't get it at this point.

If he fills out and the light bulb turns on, he could be a very good player - seven-footers with that kind of length and decent athleticism don't grow on trees.  At this point though, that's a big 'if,' and it may not be one that we have time to wait on.

what you say. Atzar.

[arctic 3.0]

Hopefully all the BBD is awful posters will be back to admit how wrong they were about POB as well...  Just my opinion but, I think some of you are setting yourself up again.  He has good offensive moves and he can block shots.  If you can't see that he has talent and is trying I don't know what else to say. All he needs to do is to continue to gain weight and keep working on his post defense.  In fact I'll predict at this time next year he'll be in bench rotation. Preferably replacing Powe. But what do I know I think TA provides good minutes off the bench.

That's fine, but there is a big difference between having talent and trying, and being ready to see regular minutes for a championship team. 

You may be right that he will be in the rotation by this time next year...but he absolutely does not deserve to be on the floor at this time this year.  And that is all that matters, because if someone comes along who does in fact deserve to be on the floor at this time this year, then I am afraid POB will be the odd man out, despite his "upside".

i tend to agree that POB could break into the rotation by this time next year, maybe sooner.
i do not think that the c's are going to jettison him even if we sign a vet backup center. they will work hard to develop him over the course of his contract. we are an older team and i believe ainge is planning for the long term with POB. when we need to reload after Garnett, pob may be a valuable chip.

[Birdbrain]

Hopefully all the BBD is awful posters will be back to admit how wrong they were about POB as well...  Just my opinion but, I think some of you are setting yourself up again.  He has good offensive moves and he can block shots.  If you can't see that he has talent and is trying I don't know what else to say. All he needs to do is to continue to gain weight and keep working on his post defense.  In fact I'll predict at this time next year he'll be in bench rotation. Preferably replacing Powe. But what do I know I think TA provides good minutes off the bench.

That's fine, but there is a big difference between having talent and trying, and being ready to see regular minutes for a championship team. 

You may be right that he will be in the rotation by this time next year...but he absolutely does not deserve to be on the floor at this time this year.  And that is all that matters, because if someone comes along who does in fact deserve to be on the floor at this time this year, then I am afraid POB will be the odd man out, despite his "upside".

Fair enough although I do think it would be prudent to play him a couple minutes just in case they can't add another guy.  I mean he's not ready but, he might need to be ready. 

[Bankshot]

Hopefully all the BBD is awful posters will be back to admit how wrong they were about POB as well...  Just my opinion but, I think some of you are setting yourself up again.  He has good offensive moves and he can block shots.  If you can't see that he has talent and is trying I don't know what else to say. All he needs to do is to continue to gain weight and keep working on his post defense.  In fact I'll predict at this time next year he'll be in bench rotation. Preferably replacing Powe. But what do I know I think TA provides good minutes off the bench.

That's fine, but there is a big difference between having talent and trying, and being ready to see regular minutes for a championship team. 

You may be right that he will be in the rotation by this time next year...but he absolutely does not deserve to be on the floor at this time this year.  And that is all that matters, because if someone comes along who does in fact deserve to be on the floor at this time this year, then I am afraid POB will be the odd man out, despite his "upside".

i tend to agree that POB could break into the rotation by this time next year, maybe sooner.
i do not think that the c's are going to jettison him even if we sign a vet backup center. they will work hard to develop him over the course of his contract. we are an older team and i believe ainge is planning for the long term with POB. when we need to reload after Garnett, pob may be a valuable chip.

This is how I see it too.  I just hope he can turns out good.

[CoachBo]

Giving credit where credit is due POB did a fabulous job of establishing position on that basket he made. He got the position, held off his defender and positioned his defender under the basket, and finished the turn and lay in. He had a great backdoor pass into Ray Allen that Ray missed the bunny on. He had a block. And I think a couple of rebounds.

But as Roy mentioned he made two quick fouls, though Leon pick up three in less time. The fouls being called were extremely one sided but his were rather egregious and were make ups for his being out of position.

He was lost on the defensive rotations. Go back and watch that. When a rotation was needed he just kind of sat in the paint and waited for a man to come near him and had his eyes following the ball the whole time. His positional defense was atrocious.

For all his hustle he was constantly the last man down the court in both directions. Either he is clueless on when to break, has zero ability to get out of the box quickly or is just plain slow as molasses. You would figure that a man buried on the bench as long as he has been would be flying up and down the court trying to impress.

His lateral movement and footwork is still just awful and he gets so caught up in watching the ball after it is shot that he is constantly getting pushed off the blocks.

He had a couple of decent minutes last night. I'm not saying he didn't. But the lack of anything resembling growth in his effort or knowledge or overall game just is non existent.

+1

Annother hyperbolic POB thread. Move over, Gerald Green.

[Chris]

Hopefully all the BBD is awful posters will be back to admit how wrong they were about POB as well...  Just my opinion but, I think some of you are setting yourself up again.  He has good offensive moves and he can block shots.  If you can't see that he has talent and is trying I don't know what else to say. All he needs to do is to continue to gain weight and keep working on his post defense.  In fact I'll predict at this time next year he'll be in bench rotation. Preferably replacing Powe. But what do I know I think TA provides good minutes off the bench.

That's fine, but there is a big difference between having talent and trying, and being ready to see regular minutes for a championship team. 

You may be right that he will be in the rotation by this time next year...but he absolutely does not deserve to be on the floor at this time this year.  And that is all that matters, because if someone comes along who does in fact deserve to be on the floor at this time this year, then I am afraid POB will be the odd man out, despite his "upside".

Fair enough although I do think it would be prudent to play him a couple minutes just in case they can't add another guy.  I mean he's not ready but, he might need to be ready. 

Trust me, they will play Sam Cassell at Center before POB sees any meaningful minutes.   

He has been an extra body to put in there for a couple minutes a game, since they are down 2 big guys, but I think it is absolutely clear that he is not going to be ready to contribute this year, so all giving him a couple consistent minutes would do is put the team at risk of giving away more regular season games. 

If they ever need him any more than they need him now, Doc will be looking at changing his gameplan and playing smallball.  The only reason he has played the last couple games is because it is in the extremely short term, and it is easier to throw him out there than to throw off the rotation too much. 

[footey]

Giving credit where credit is due POB did a fabulous job of establishing position on that basket he made. He got the position, held off his defender and positioned his defender under the basket, and finished the turn and lay in. He had a great backdoor pass into Ray Allen that Ray missed the bunny on. He had a block. And I think a couple of rebounds.

But as Roy mentioned he made two quick fouls, though Leon pick up three in less time. The fouls being called were extremely one sided but his were rather egregious and were make ups for his being out of position.

He was lost on the defensive rotations. Go back and watch that. When a rotation was needed he just kind of sat in the paint and waited for a man to come near him and had his eyes following the ball the whole time. His positional defense was atrocious.

For all his hustle he was constantly the last man down the court in both directions. Either he is clueless on when to break, has zero ability to get out of the box quickly or is just plain slow as molasses. You would figure that a man buried on the bench as long as he has been would be flying up and down the court trying to impress.

His lateral movement and footwork is still just awful and he gets so caught up in watching the ball after it is shot that he is constantly getting pushed off the blocks.

He had a couple of decent minutes last night. I'm not saying he didn't. But the lack of anything resembling growth in his effort or knowledge or overall game just is non existent.

Your antipathy towards O'Bryant is well documented. Your most recent comments are not just misleading, they are false. I have watched POB's 5 minutes from yesterday's games several times.  He is hustling his ass off every time, on almost every transition the first big up the floor. He is working very well on the defensive rotations.  The first of his two fouls was ticky tacky at best.

Look, you don't have to like the guy, but don't make up things about him based on last night's performance that are completely untrue. If you taped it, I would suggest you re-watch it. He showed Great effort last night, and I hope is rewarded with more and more minutes as the season progresses.

[SamuelAdams]

Well the Celtics coaching squad thinks he is worth a few minutes here and there...

I always seem to have a "pet" player and Patty O' is mine this year. All young players have a hard time adjusting to the speed of NBA defensive switches. How fricking long did it take Perk to get there in time??   I have high hopes and will remain optimistic of his growth. I absolutely refuse to judge a player by his first years in the league.

[Roy Hobbs]

Well the Celtics coaching squad thinks he is worth a few minutes here and there...

Do they?  I'm not sure it's a choice.  With KG and Scal injured, POB is the de facto fourth big man.  If the team could avoid playing him, I expect that they would.