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Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 02:51:25 PM »

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I understand and sympathize everyone's feelings about breeding and adoptions and respect that, my question is not being answered.  Maybe it's because I grew up in a place where there are a lot of stray dogs and am not concerned about animal rights as some people are (I think there are a lot animals that are getting the shaft a lot worse though than man's best friend, like chickens, baby cows).  In some ways, in order to keep my conscience clear, I would like to think of it population control like the so many animals out there that are hunted to keep the population down. 
But in the end, when my brother's and I bought my dog we should've done a better research through shelters but we didn't and we ended up getting screwed by overpaying for a dog.  Now we at least need to make some money back or maybe give it to my brother who might be getting a dog.  I mean, we do have a full breed dog that is worth a lot of money so I can't just neutered with nothing to show for it.  This thought may seem highly selfish, but I am sure there are a lot of people that agree with me.

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Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2009, 03:52:52 PM »

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But in the end, when my brother's and I bought my dog we should've done a better research through shelters but we didn't and we ended up getting screwed by overpaying for a dog.  Now we at least need to make some money back or maybe give it to my brother who might be getting a dog.  I mean, we do have a full breed dog that is worth a lot of money so I can't just neutered with nothing to show for it.  This thought may seem highly selfish, but I am sure there are a lot of people that agree with me.

The short answer to your question is that I don't know how to breed dogs properly. I'm sure there are better resources on the Internet than Celticsblog.

That said, just because you overpayed for a pure bred dog doesn't mean that you have to mate it and sell off the litter. Think of the dog as part of your family and be happy that you have him.

Furthermore, do you really think the dog will make you that much money? With food and medical costs for the entire litter, it costs a lot more than people think. Maybe you'll get a $50-$100 per puppy after you pay off all the expenses. Are a few hundred dollars worth the lives of 5 or 6 dogs that are killed in shelters instead of being adopted?   
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Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2009, 03:56:13 PM »

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Sometimes when a mommy dog and a daddy dog love each other very much...

Frankly, if they won't mate, it's probably STYLISTIC differences.


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Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2009, 09:03:57 PM »

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Dear A monkey...

wait wrong column...lol

Dont worry they will mate from time to time
thats all u need...time

U are not going to see when theyre doing it necesarly

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Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2009, 09:42:44 PM »

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I understand and sympathize everyone's feelings about breeding and adoptions and respect that, my question is not being answered.  Maybe it's because I grew up in a place where there are a lot of stray dogs and am not concerned about animal rights as some people are (I think there are a lot animals that are getting the shaft a lot worse though than man's best friend, like chickens, baby cows).  In some ways, in order to keep my conscience clear, I would like to think of it population control like the so many animals out there that are hunted to keep the population down. 
But in the end, when my brother's and I bought my dog we should've done a better research through shelters but we didn't and we ended up getting screwed by overpaying for a dog.  Now we at least need to make some money back or maybe give it to my brother who might be getting a dog.  I mean, we do have a full breed dog that is worth a lot of money so I can't just neutered with nothing to show for it.  This thought may seem highly selfish, but I am sure there are a lot of people that agree with me.

PS. I do some community work as a habit started by my fraternity as well as support my girlfriend's Peace Corps projects by raising donations for the school she works with down in Guatemala.  I applaud the people volunteering and devoting their time for this cause.  I truly respect that.  It's just that this particular issue is not high on my list.

you got a dog for the wrong reasons. 
companionship & love > money

Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2009, 10:36:39 AM »

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I understand and sympathize everyone's feelings about breeding and adoptions and respect that, my question is not being answered.  Maybe it's because I grew up in a place where there are a lot of stray dogs and am not concerned about animal rights as some people are (I think there are a lot animals that are getting the shaft a lot worse though than man's best friend, like chickens, baby cows).  In some ways, in order to keep my conscience clear, I would like to think of it population control like the so many animals out there that are hunted to keep the population down. 
But in the end, when my brother's and I bought my dog we should've done a better research through shelters but we didn't and we ended up getting screwed by overpaying for a dog.  Now we at least need to make some money back or maybe give it to my brother who might be getting a dog.  I mean, we do have a full breed dog that is worth a lot of money so I can't just neutered with nothing to show for it.  This thought may seem highly selfish, but I am sure there are a lot of people that agree with me.

PS. I do some community work as a habit started by my fraternity as well as support my girlfriend's Peace Corps projects by raising donations for the school she works with down in Guatemala.  I applaud the people volunteering and devoting their time for this cause.  I truly respect that.  It's just that this particular issue is not high on my list.

you got a dog for the wrong reasons. 
companionship & love > money

yup

After all is very well researched people with dogs live longer
must be all the extra love....
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Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2009, 10:57:59 AM »

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But in the end, when my brother's and I bought my dog we should've done a better research through shelters but we didn't and we ended up getting screwed by overpaying for a dog.  Now we at least need to make some money back or maybe give it to my brother who might be getting a dog.  I mean, we do have a full breed dog that is worth a lot of money so I can't just neutered with nothing to show for it.  This thought may seem highly selfish, but I am sure there are a lot of people that agree with me.

The short answer to your question is that I don't know how to breed dogs properly. I'm sure there are better resources on the Internet than Celticsblog.

That said, just because you overpayed for a pure bred dog doesn't mean that you have to mate it and sell off the litter. Think of the dog as part of your family and be happy that you have him.

Furthermore, do you really think the dog will make you that much money? With food and medical costs for the entire litter, it costs a lot more than people think. Maybe you'll get a $50-$100 per puppy after you pay off all the expenses. Are a few hundred dollars worth the lives of 5 or 6 dogs that are killed in shelters instead of being adopted?   

Agree with the comments about it costing more than people think to get puppies ready to sell, but you aren't going to convince anyone to make smart choices with misleading statements. The huge majority of people who buy these small size house dogs would never consider purchasing a mixed breed dog from the shelter. 75% + of dogs in shelters are not purebred, and very few of them are small breed dogs like this. Many families, especially with children, want to raise their dog from being a puppy. This is often what makes them seem as "one of the family" and they are less likely to go back to a shelter. There is nothing wrong with someone who chooses to go this route if they are committed to them for life. Making them feel bad about it isn't the right way to solve this problem.

Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2009, 11:36:56 AM »

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Agree with the comments about it costing more than people think to get puppies ready to sell, but you aren't going to convince anyone to make smart choices with misleading statements. The huge majority of people who buy these small size house dogs would never consider purchasing a mixed breed dog from the shelter. 75% + of dogs in shelters are not purebred, and very few of them are small breed dogs like this. Many families, especially with children, want to raise their dog from being a puppy. This is often what makes them seem as "one of the family" and they are less likely to go back to a shelter. There is nothing wrong with someone who chooses to go this route if they are committed to them for life. Making them feel bad about it isn't the right way to solve this problem.

1) I wasn't misleading. I didn't say anything that wasn't the truth.

2) It is true that most dogs in shelters are mutts, but what is wrong with a mutt? I find them smarter and have more character than pure-bred dogs. Sure they aren't going to win any dog shows, but what is the purpose of getting a dog? To show it off or to love it?

3) There are small dogs in shelters.

4) There are lots of puppies in shelters. Many dogs come in pregnant. All you need to do is ask to be notified when the dog gives birth (although you won't get the puppy until a few weeks later - never remove a puppy from its mother too soon).

5) I am not trying to make anyone feel bad on purpose. I am just passing information along. It is obvious the OP doesn't know that much about dogs. This is a common problem with dog owners. Furthermore, they don't consider the dog a member of the family. This is what I am trying to change. If you wouldn't beat, get rid of, or breed your children, then you shouldn't do it with your dog. 

Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2009, 11:49:27 AM »

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To answer your question, first, the dogs should spend a lot of time together. Bring the dogs together on a regular basis. Let them spend hours and hours together so that a pecking order can be established. If they are both peeing in the same places what you have are two dogs that consider themselves the alphas and are marking their territories. A pecking order needs to be established in their two dog pack before mating will happen.

Second, if you don't want to get physically involved, once the female goes into heat, give your dog to the owner of the female dog to care for for about the three weeks the female will be in heat. The two dogs should be penned into a spot or kept within a certain amount of rooms togther and walked together for that time. Taking turns walking the dogs together at night with the female's owner will further tie the dogs together i9nto a pack atmosphere if they see both owners often.

After the three weeks or so the trick should be done. If not try it again in 6-9 months when the female is in heat again.

The other way is to force the situation. Allow the dogs some time together and then forcibly help the two dogs. Hold the female and place the male behind the female. Sometimes actual guiding of the male into the female is necessary.

I don't recommend this but I have heard of it being done.

There's other ways too but doing it the way I suggest is a lot more natural for the dogs.

Good luck.

Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2009, 11:56:07 AM »

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2) It is true that most dogs in shelters are mutts, but what is wrong with a mutt? I find them smarter and have more character than pure-bred dogs.

See, I think that's just a biased and uninformed opinion.  There may be nothing wrong with a mutt, but to say that they're inherently better than pure-bred dogs to support your agenda wreaks of intolerance for those with a dissenting point of view.

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Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2009, 12:24:05 PM »

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2) It is true that most dogs in shelters are mutts, but what is wrong with a mutt? I find them smarter and have more character than pure-bred dogs.

See, I think that's just a biased and uninformed opinion.  There may be nothing wrong with a mutt, but to say that they're inherently better than pure-bred dogs to support your agenda wreaks of intolerance for those with a dissenting point of view.

Of course it is a biased opinion. I said 'I find...'. I didn't say that mutts *are* smarter than pure-breds as shown in this scientific study blah blah blah. In fact, I've met a lot of stupid mutts. However, from my experience, having met hundreds and hundreds of dogs, I would say that mutts are smarter. So I wouldn't say it is that uninformed.

And, yes, I am making a value judgment when I argue that mutts are better overall. Other people can have different opinions. Who am I to *make* someone think a certain way? However, I can still believe I am correct, and thus judge people. What's wrong with being intolerant when it comes to issues? I can be intolerant of Republicans, Lakers fans, and those people that contribute to the deaths of 3-4 millions dogs a year. 

Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2009, 02:08:33 PM »

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Agree with the comments about it costing more than people think to get puppies ready to sell, but you aren't going to convince anyone to make smart choices with misleading statements. The huge majority of people who buy these small size house dogs would never consider purchasing a mixed breed dog from the shelter. 75% + of dogs in shelters are not purebred, and very few of them are small breed dogs like this. Many families, especially with children, want to raise their dog from being a puppy. This is often what makes them seem as "one of the family" and they are less likely to go back to a shelter. There is nothing wrong with someone who chooses to go this route if they are committed to them for life. Making them feel bad about it isn't the right way to solve this problem.

1) I wasn't misleading. I didn't say anything that wasn't the truth.

2) It is true that most dogs in shelters are mutts, but what is wrong with a mutt? I find them smarter and have more character than pure-bred dogs. Sure they aren't going to win any dog shows, but what is the purpose of getting a dog? To show it off or to love it?

3) There are small dogs in shelters.

4) There are lots of puppies in shelters. Many dogs come in pregnant. All you need to do is ask to be notified when the dog gives birth (although you won't get the puppy until a few weeks later - never remove a puppy from its mother too soon).

5) I am not trying to make anyone feel bad on purpose. I am just passing information along. It is obvious the OP doesn't know that much about dogs. This is a common problem with dog owners. Furthermore, they don't consider the dog a member of the family. This is what I am trying to change. If you wouldn't beat, get rid of, or breed your children, then you shouldn't do it with your dog. 

Usually "misleading comments" are comments that don't contain things that aren't true, rather slant things to get their makers agenda across. That is why they are misleading. If they were lies you could just call them "false" comments now, couldn't you?

Whether or not someone chooses to get a dog from a shelter or a breeder is their own business and people trying to make them feel guilty by pointing out how many millions of animals get killed each year does just that. Otherwise why would you point it out?

How about we answer the guys question if we have one, and if not let him do his own thing. Spreading your "Earthball"  agenda wasn't really what was asked for. If you want to go on and on about saving pets from shelters, which I think is a good thing, then maybe you should start your own thread about that rather than trying to make this guy feel bad.

Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2009, 07:32:45 PM »

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Agree with the comments about it costing more than people think to get puppies ready to sell, but you aren't going to convince anyone to make smart choices with misleading statements. The huge majority of people who buy these small size house dogs would never consider purchasing a mixed breed dog from the shelter. 75% + of dogs in shelters are not purebred, and very few of them are small breed dogs like this. Many families, especially with children, want to raise their dog from being a puppy. This is often what makes them seem as "one of the family" and they are less likely to go back to a shelter. There is nothing wrong with someone who chooses to go this route if they are committed to them for life. Making them feel bad about it isn't the right way to solve this problem.

1) I wasn't misleading. I didn't say anything that wasn't the truth.

2) It is true that most dogs in shelters are mutts, but what is wrong with a mutt? I find them smarter and have more character than pure-bred dogs. Sure they aren't going to win any dog shows, but what is the purpose of getting a dog? To show it off or to love it?

3) There are small dogs in shelters.

4) There are lots of puppies in shelters. Many dogs come in pregnant. All you need to do is ask to be notified when the dog gives birth (although you won't get the puppy until a few weeks later - never remove a puppy from its mother too soon).

5) I am not trying to make anyone feel bad on purpose. I am just passing information along. It is obvious the OP doesn't know that much about dogs. This is a common problem with dog owners. Furthermore, they don't consider the dog a member of the family. This is what I am trying to change. If you wouldn't beat, get rid of, or breed your children, then you shouldn't do it with your dog. 

Usually "misleading comments" are comments that don't contain things that aren't true, rather slant things to get their makers agenda across. That is why they are misleading. If they were lies you could just call them "false" comments now, couldn't you?

Whether or not someone chooses to get a dog from a shelter or a breeder is their own business and people trying to make them feel guilty by pointing out how many millions of animals get killed each year does just that. Otherwise why would you point it out?

How about we answer the guys question if we have one, and if not let him do his own thing. Spreading your "Earthball"  agenda wasn't really what was asked for. If you want to go on and on about saving pets from shelters, which I think is a good thing, then maybe you should start your own thread about that rather than trying to make this guy feel bad.


So, will you respond to my questions on a thread 'How to kill and dismember a person' or 'How to inject yourself with heroin'? I think we have a moral duty to inform people of the pros and cons of their proposed intentions. I don't see that there are many pros to breeding dogs. I know, however, of many cons.

Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2009, 11:54:02 PM »

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Agree with the comments about it costing more than people think to get puppies ready to sell, but you aren't going to convince anyone to make smart choices with misleading statements. The huge majority of people who buy these small size house dogs would never consider purchasing a mixed breed dog from the shelter. 75% + of dogs in shelters are not purebred, and very few of them are small breed dogs like this. Many families, especially with children, want to raise their dog from being a puppy. This is often what makes them seem as "one of the family" and they are less likely to go back to a shelter. There is nothing wrong with someone who chooses to go this route if they are committed to them for life. Making them feel bad about it isn't the right way to solve this problem.

1) I wasn't misleading. I didn't say anything that wasn't the truth.

2) It is true that most dogs in shelters are mutts, but what is wrong with a mutt? I find them smarter and have more character than pure-bred dogs. Sure they aren't going to win any dog shows, but what is the purpose of getting a dog? To show it off or to love it?

3) There are small dogs in shelters.

4) There are lots of puppies in shelters. Many dogs come in pregnant. All you need to do is ask to be notified when the dog gives birth (although you won't get the puppy until a few weeks later - never remove a puppy from its mother too soon).

5) I am not trying to make anyone feel bad on purpose. I am just passing information along. It is obvious the OP doesn't know that much about dogs. This is a common problem with dog owners. Furthermore, they don't consider the dog a member of the family. This is what I am trying to change. If you wouldn't beat, get rid of, or breed your children, then you shouldn't do it with your dog. 

Usually "misleading comments" are comments that don't contain things that aren't true, rather slant things to get their makers agenda across. That is why they are misleading. If they were lies you could just call them "false" comments now, couldn't you?

Whether or not someone chooses to get a dog from a shelter or a breeder is their own business and people trying to make them feel guilty by pointing out how many millions of animals get killed each year does just that. Otherwise why would you point it out?

How about we answer the guys question if we have one, and if not let him do his own thing. Spreading your "Earthball"  agenda wasn't really what was asked for. If you want to go on and on about saving pets from shelters, which I think is a good thing, then maybe you should start your own thread about that rather than trying to make this guy feel bad.


So, will you respond to my questions on a thread 'How to kill and dismember a person' or 'How to inject yourself with heroin'? I think we have a moral duty to inform people of the pros and cons of their proposed intentions. I don't see that there are many pros to breeding dogs. I know, however, of many cons.

I wouldn't, rather choosing not to post in someone's thread who was asking something I didn't want to answer, however I will give you a TP for making me laugh tonight!



Re: How to Breed a Dog
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2009, 10:15:15 AM »

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To answer your question, first, the dogs should spend a lot of time together. Bring the dogs together on a regular basis. Let them spend hours and hours together so that a pecking order can be established. If they are both peeing in the same places what you have are two dogs that consider themselves the alphas and are marking their territories. A pecking order needs to be established in their two dog pack before mating will happen.

Second, if you don't want to get physically involved, once the female goes into heat, give your dog to the owner of the female dog to care for for about the three weeks the female will be in heat. The two dogs should be penned into a spot or kept within a certain amount of rooms togther and walked together for that time. Taking turns walking the dogs together at night with the female's owner will further tie the dogs together i9nto a pack atmosphere if they see both owners often.

After the three weeks or so the trick should be done. If not try it again in 6-9 months when the female is in heat again.

The other way is to force the situation. Allow the dogs some time together and then forcibly help the two dogs. Hold the female and place the male behind the female. Sometimes actual guiding of the male into the female is necessary.

I don't recommend this but I have heard of it being done.

There's other ways too but doing it the way I suggest is a lot more natural for the dogs.

Good luck.

Thank you very much, that's the exact type of information I was looking for.  We're gonna try again tomorrow so we'll see what happens.  I brought him to the Super Bowl party yesterday and he was trying to hump everybody there (he humps people he doesn't know) so at least he's got the practice with humans, now we just need him to do this with his own kind.
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