Not to start a war but...

[Bankshot]

Easy with the Powe bashing guys...

The reason he gets a free pass is because Powe was sick ALL of last year and had that monster game in the finals. I'd say he's earned a bit of a pass.

Personally, I think he's just off to a bit of a rough start. Now that he's playing bad, this forum is starting to look like it did when the C's went through that losing streak when everyone declared "THIS SEASON IS OVER, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN!". Sometimes, ruts happen. Powe happens to be in one, but he'll come out of it. I have faith in that because he played great for AN ENTIRE YEAR. Same thing with the team overall last year.

TA and POB on the other hand, well they don't have that kind of repertoire to fall back on

We were counting on Powe to get alot better, to be somewhat of a leader off the bench, well hes regressed dramatically and hasnt played good in over a month...hes a turnover waiting to happen, doest know how to pass(especially from the post) his hands all of a sudden look like stone, hes so bad hes out there in garbage minutes getting his shots shoved back in his face by the worst teams in the league 3rd stringers...he cant finish at the basket if his life depended on it, the cherry on top was  him going up for a dunk last night and it rimming out. on defense it looks like hes running in cement..I think giving him a pass should stop sooner than later, this "slump" is just a case of him not getting any better, not working hard in the offseasdon and other teams actually knowing who he is and not putting the likes of luke walton on him
If BBD misses a bunny, people are ready to trade him for a bag of rocks...but I dont think hes ever played as bad as powe has in this recent stretch

Some celtics fans favortism towards powe makes me sick, especially when BBD is the better player, the sooner we all come to terms with that, the better

TP for the good post.  I'm sick of it too.

[jdpapa3]

Tony was playing GREAT before he rolled his ankle this first time. It was in that stretch where the team was losing games that Tony's issues really rose to the spotlight.

And look at last night. Kevin Martin was abusing Ray Ray a little bit and then Tony came in and shut him down. Kevin Martin is an elite offensive player in this league.

Tony is simply better for this team THIS SEASON with the bench than Gabe is. And I am a huge Gabe fan. Heck, I wouldn't mind TA, House, and Gabe playing at the same time. But if it's a choice between TA and Gabe, you have to go TA. Gabe hasn't been taking it to the rim like I know he can. He's still too passive.

[crownsy]

Easy with the Powe bashing guys...

The reason he gets a free pass is because Powe was sick ALL of last year and had that monster game in the finals. I'd say he's earned a bit of a pass.

Personally, I think he's just off to a bit of a rough start. Now that he's playing bad, this forum is starting to look like it did when the C's went through that losing streak when everyone declared "THIS SEASON IS OVER, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN!". Sometimes, ruts happen. Powe happens to be in one, but he'll come out of it. I have faith in that because he played great for AN ENTIRE YEAR. Same thing with the team overall last year.

TA and POB on the other hand, well they don't have that kind of repertoire to fall back on

We were counting on Powe to get alot better, to be somewhat of a leader off the bench, well hes regressed dramatically and hasnt played good in over a month...hes a turnover waiting to happen, doest know how to pass(especially from the post) his hands all of a sudden look like stone, hes so bad hes out there in garbage minutes getting his shots shoved back in his face by the worst teams in the league 3rd stringers...he cant finish at the basket if his life depended on it, the cherry on top was  him going up for a dunk last night and it rimming out. on defense it looks like hes running in cement..I think giving him a pass should stop sooner than later, this "slump" is just a case of him not getting any better, not working hard in the offseasdon and other teams actually knowing who he is and not putting the likes of luke walton on him
If BBD misses a bunny, people are ready to trade him for a bag of rocks...but I dont think hes ever played as bad as powe has in this recent stretch

Some celtics fans favortism towards powe makes me sick, especially when BBD is the better player, the sooner we all come to terms with that, the better

TP for the good post.  I'm sick of it too.

I wouldn't go throwing stones bank, ive seen the exact same "favrotisim" thing out of people making excuses when baby was bad early in the year.

They are both bench players, they have there ups and downs. right now, clearly baby should get the minutes, he's playing great ball, but i don't really think this one month stretch is suddenly the "OH MY GAWD!! BABY IS THE NEXT ROUND MOUND OF REBOUND!!! SHUT UP POWE LOVERS!!!" stretch of play that certain threads have had in them.

Personaly i think both sides (the people with man crushes on baby and powe) trying to evade the trolling rules by inventing new things to call each other is hillarious. Very few posters on this blog, with regardes to powe/baby seem to be capable of being objective. It's like they are mutualy exclusive to some.

I go up and down on both of them. right now, babys playing better, thus, he should get more minutes.

[cordobes]

Tony plays well when he doesn't try to do too much. Last nite Doc said Tony played well in the first half because he didn't try to do too much, but not in the second half because he did try to do too much. Doc has said this often before. When TA plays within himself he's a plus. Doc and the other coaches just need to keep working with him on this.

So do I, since ever. Tony needs to be a more "humble" player. It's when he starts believing he's a star that things go south for him. That's why he can't achieve any kind of consistency; he can't help himself and starts playing dumb.

Tony was playing GREAT before he rolled his ankle this first time. It was in that stretch where the team was losing games that Tony's issues really rose to the spotlight.

No he was not. He had a couple of GREAT games, a fair amount of good and passable ones and an equal number of bad games.

2. Also, he really gets fouled alot going to the hoop, so he puts pressure on on the opposing defense and is one of the reasons we'll get ot the line faster in games.

I think the biggest thing that might help Tony is the same thing that seems to have helped Eddie so much lately. Like Eddie be better suited to play and undersized off guard than a point, TAllen might be better suited playign and under sized small forward than and off guard.

Playing more at small forward would let him take advantage of his skills while "hiding" some of his deficiencies.

He would have to handle the ball less and would be receiving the ball closer to the rim and off cuts more than handling the ball on the perimeter. He could also use his strength and leaping and scrappy trait to hound the ball down low, he has no problem going in amongst the tress.

There's no difference between how the SF and the SG play in C's system. Of course Tony should handle the ball less and not attacking the rim from so far away and move the ball faster and play some give and go's instead of putting the ball on the floor every time and cut more towards the basket instead of popping to the perimeter but that depends on him, not on the position he's supposedly playing.

[cordobes]

TRADE HIM!!! - trade ideas:

Sefelosha from Chicago
Damien Wilkins from OKC
Rasual Butler from NO
Ricky Davis from LAC
MO Evans from ATL
Jarvis Hayes from NJ

I just don't like his game, nor do I think he fits our needs.

I agreed with you up until I saw Ricky Davis on your list.  Have we forgotten that Ricky mocked PP behind his back when here and DA basically had to ship him out of town with the other cancer Blount?

I don't mind trading Tony, but if those are the players we are to replace him with, I'd rather keep Tony.

Amen.

The other guys don't do anything for me, but I'd trade Tony for Sefolosha right away. Allen is a slightly better scorer and goes to the line a couple of times more per game, but Thabo is better doing anything else - especially he doesn't have horrid games so frequently as Allen - and just as good as Allen on defence (and bigger); besides being younger and still on his rookie contract.

[Chris]

Tony played reasonably well against the Kings.  He looked pretty focused, which really is what its all about with him.  Unfortunately, it has been his MO that after being focussed for a game, he looks like he has the worst case of ADD since Robin Williams for the next 4 games. 

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

I'm a TA hater, and I always have been. That said, I root for him to do well, and in the 2nd quarter he came in and played very well, especially since he'd been out for 11 games. Then, in garbage time, he committed a bunch of idiotic turnovers, especially that inbounding vilation.

I've made my stance clear in the past. I've never liked the guy, I didn't want us to re-sign him, and under no circumstances do I want to see him playing meaningful miniutes in the playoffs. He cannot be trusted to take care of the ball, and his playmaking does the team more harm than good, especially since he's a ball movement killer.

I couldn't agree with you any more 'Toine.

FYI - i've coined the nickname "Turnover Tony".

[Bankshot]

Easy with the Powe bashing guys...

The reason he gets a free pass is because Powe was sick ALL of last year and had that monster game in the finals. I'd say he's earned a bit of a pass.

Personally, I think he's just off to a bit of a rough start. Now that he's playing bad, this forum is starting to look like it did when the C's went through that losing streak when everyone declared "THIS SEASON IS OVER, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN!". Sometimes, ruts happen. Powe happens to be in one, but he'll come out of it. I have faith in that because he played great for AN ENTIRE YEAR. Same thing with the team overall last year.

TA and POB on the other hand, well they don't have that kind of repertoire to fall back on

We were counting on Powe to get alot better, to be somewhat of a leader off the bench, well hes regressed dramatically and hasnt played good in over a month...hes a turnover waiting to happen, doest know how to pass(especially from the post) his hands all of a sudden look like stone, hes so bad hes out there in garbage minutes getting his shots shoved back in his face by the worst teams in the league 3rd stringers...he cant finish at the basket if his life depended on it, the cherry on top was  him going up for a dunk last night and it rimming out. on defense it looks like hes running in cement..I think giving him a pass should stop sooner than later, this "slump" is just a case of him not getting any better, not working hard in the offseasdon and other teams actually knowing who he is and not putting the likes of luke walton on him
If BBD misses a bunny, people are ready to trade him for a bag of rocks...but I dont think hes ever played as bad as powe has in this recent stretch

Some celtics fans favortism towards powe makes me sick, especially when BBD is the better player, the sooner we all come to terms with that, the better

TP for the good post.  I'm sick of it too.

I wouldn't go throwing stones bank, ive seen the exact same "favrotisim" thing out of people making excuses when baby was bad early in the year.

They are both bench players, they have there ups and downs. right now, clearly baby should get the minutes, he's playing great ball, but i don't really think this one month stretch is suddenly the "OH MY GAWD!! BABY IS THE NEXT ROUND MOUND OF REBOUND!!! SHUT UP POWE LOVERS!!!" stretch of play that certain threads have had in them.

Personaly i think both sides (the people with man crushes on baby and powe) trying to evade the trolling rules by inventing new things to call each other is hillarious. Very few posters on this blog, with regardes to powe/baby seem to be capable of being objective. It's like they are mutualy exclusive to some.

I go up and down on both of them. right now, babys playing better, thus, he should get more minutes.

When did I say that?

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

Easy with the Powe bashing guys...

The reason he gets a free pass is because Powe was sick ALL of last year and had that monster game in the finals. I'd say he's earned a bit of a pass.

Personally, I think he's just off to a bit of a rough start. Now that he's playing bad, this forum is starting to look like it did when the C's went through that losing streak when everyone declared "THIS SEASON IS OVER, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN!". Sometimes, ruts happen. Powe happens to be in one, but he'll come out of it. I have faith in that because he played great for AN ENTIRE YEAR. Same thing with the team overall last year.

TA and POB on the other hand, well they don't have that kind of repertoire to fall back on

We were counting on Powe to get alot better, to be somewhat of a leader off the bench, well hes regressed dramatically and hasnt played good in over a month...hes a turnover waiting to happen, doest know how to pass(especially from the post) his hands all of a sudden look like stone, hes so bad hes out there in garbage minutes getting his shots shoved back in his face by the worst teams in the league 3rd stringers...he cant finish at the basket if his life depended on it, the cherry on top was  him going up for a dunk last night and it rimming out. on defense it looks like hes running in cement..I think giving him a pass should stop sooner than later, this "slump" is just a case of him not getting any better, not working hard in the offseasdon and other teams actually knowing who he is and not putting the likes of luke walton on him
If BBD misses a bunny, people are ready to trade him for a bag of rocks...but I dont think hes ever played as bad as powe has in this recent stretch

Some celtics fans favortism towards powe makes me sick, especially when BBD is the better player, the sooner we all come to terms with that, the better

TP for the good post.  I'm sick of it too.

I wouldn't go throwing stones bank, ive seen the exact same "favrotisim" thing out of people making excuses when baby was bad early in the year.

They are both bench players, they have there ups and downs. right now, clearly baby should get the minutes, he's playing great ball, but i don't really think this one month stretch is suddenly the "OH MY GAWD!! BABY IS THE NEXT ROUND MOUND OF REBOUND!!! SHUT UP POWE LOVERS!!!" stretch of play that certain threads have had in them.

Personaly i think both sides (the people with man crushes on baby and powe) trying to evade the trolling rules by inventing new things to call each other is hillarious. Very few posters on this blog, with regardes to powe/baby seem to be capable of being objective. It's like they are mutualy exclusive to some.

I go up and down on both of them. right now, babys playing better, thus, he should get more minutes.

Dont get me wrong, I like both players equal, I just happen to think Big baby played very good in his rookie season, and actually earned trust from the coaching staff as a rookie, which is rare and has improved his game this year, something Powe has clearly not done, and im very dissapointed..And I constantly hear celtics fans, on here, and on Celtics stuff live etc etc saying its a no brainer on who he should keep, Powe while contining to throw BBD under the bus...if powe has a bad game, its a slump, if baby plays bad, hes a fat useless slob who should be traded...and I happen to disagree...I think baby has more upside, is better in our system defensively and offensively setting screens, passing and knocking down his jumper

[crownsy]

Easy with the Powe bashing guys...

The reason he gets a free pass is because Powe was sick ALL of last year and had that monster game in the finals. I'd say he's earned a bit of a pass.

Personally, I think he's just off to a bit of a rough start. Now that he's playing bad, this forum is starting to look like it did when the C's went through that losing streak when everyone declared "THIS SEASON IS OVER, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN!". Sometimes, ruts happen. Powe happens to be in one, but he'll come out of it. I have faith in that because he played great for AN ENTIRE YEAR. Same thing with the team overall last year.

TA and POB on the other hand, well they don't have that kind of repertoire to fall back on

We were counting on Powe to get alot better, to be somewhat of a leader off the bench, well hes regressed dramatically and hasnt played good in over a month...hes a turnover waiting to happen, doest know how to pass(especially from the post) his hands all of a sudden look like stone, hes so bad hes out there in garbage minutes getting his shots shoved back in his face by the worst teams in the league 3rd stringers...he cant finish at the basket if his life depended on it, the cherry on top was  him going up for a dunk last night and it rimming out. on defense it looks like hes running in cement..I think giving him a pass should stop sooner than later, this "slump" is just a case of him not getting any better, not working hard in the offseasdon and other teams actually knowing who he is and not putting the likes of luke walton on him
If BBD misses a bunny, people are ready to trade him for a bag of rocks...but I dont think hes ever played as bad as powe has in this recent stretch

Some celtics fans favortism towards powe makes me sick, especially when BBD is the better player, the sooner we all come to terms with that, the better

TP for the good post.  I'm sick of it too.

I wouldn't go throwing stones bank, ive seen the exact same "favrotisim" thing out of people making excuses when baby was bad early in the year.

They are both bench players, they have there ups and downs. right now, clearly baby should get the minutes, he's playing great ball, but i don't really think this one month stretch is suddenly the "OH MY GAWD!! BABY IS THE NEXT ROUND MOUND OF REBOUND!!! SHUT UP POWE LOVERS!!!" stretch of play that certain threads have had in them.

Personaly i think both sides (the people with man crushes on baby and powe) trying to evade the trolling rules by inventing new things to call each other is hillarious. Very few posters on this blog, with regardes to powe/baby seem to be capable of being objective. It's like they are mutualy exclusive to some.

I go up and down on both of them. right now, babys playing better, thus, he should get more minutes.

When did I say that?

I can't name name's bank, for obvious reasons, but rest assured, when i was typing in those caps, you were not on my mind my friend 

The only reason i used your post as a base was because to me, the favrotism is for both players, not just a Everyone loves powe, hates baby type thing. I should have been less lazy and gone back and gotten just the

Some celtics fans favortism towards powe makes me sick, especially when BBD is the better player, the sooner we all come to terms with that, the better

out of the post you were qouting, my fault if you thought i ment you. 

[BballTim]

  Tony hasn't played great but he hasn't been horrible. He's been a net plus for us over the season. We're not losing points when he plays. We're not losing a ton of games because we're getting killed at sf when he's in. While the bench could obviously be improved TA's spot isn't where we need the most help. In spite of our bench we haven't taken a big step back this year or had to play the big three ruinous amounts of minutes that will leave them to tired to win in the playoffs as many here predicted. Lastly, as in years past, Tony's opponents seem to commit almost as many turnovers as he does so we're not getting killed in that category when he plays.

[ScoobyDoo]

agreed Cordobes, I guess my point is if he could try to restrict the amount of ball handling he does, it would be helpful to him and the team. I see him as a 1-2 driblle slasher to the basket type.

I agree very much with the other guy who said he came in and pretty much shut down Martin ( who is one of the best scorers in the league).

That's why I said I like him because he plays like a free safety. He's a tough, sticky defneder who does mind a good hard brawl, he'll stick his nose right in there. You need "some" of that at that position come the playoffs for sure. 

[Mr October]

TRADE HIM!!! - trade ideas:

Sefelosha from Chicago
Damien Wilkins from OKC
Rasual Butler from NO
Ricky Davis from LAC
MO Evans from ATL
Jarvis Hayes from NJ

I just don't like his game, nor do I think he fits our needs.

I agreed with you up until I saw Ricky Davis on your list.  Have we forgotten that Ricky mocked PP behind his back when here and DA basically had to ship him out of town with the other cancer Blount?

I don't mind trading Tony, but if those are the players we are to replace him with, I'd rather keep Tony.

Amen.

What's wrong with Mo Evans? The dude has an NBA 2 guard body, is well rounded, athletic and can shoot the 3. I still don't understand why Boston passed on him last summer....

[Scalablob990]

Easy with the Powe bashing guys...

The reason he gets a free pass is because Powe was sick ALL of last year and had that monster game in the finals. I'd say he's earned a bit of a pass.

Personally, I think he's just off to a bit of a rough start. Now that he's playing bad, this forum is starting to look like it did when the C's went through that losing streak when everyone declared "THIS SEASON IS OVER, WE'LL NEVER WIN AGAIN!". Sometimes, ruts happen. Powe happens to be in one, but he'll come out of it. I have faith in that because he played great for AN ENTIRE YEAR. Same thing with the team overall last year.

TA and POB on the other hand, well they don't have that kind of repertoire to fall back on

We were counting on Powe to get alot better, to be somewhat of a leader off the bench, well hes regressed dramatically and hasnt played good in over a month...hes a turnover waiting to happen, doest know how to pass(especially from the post) his hands all of a sudden look like stone, hes so bad hes out there in garbage minutes getting his shots shoved back in his face by the worst teams in the league 3rd stringers...he cant finish at the basket if his life depended on it, the cherry on top was  him going up for a dunk last night and it rimming out. on defense it looks like hes running in cement..I think giving him a pass should stop sooner than later, this "slump" is just a case of him not getting any better, not working hard in the offseasdon and other teams actually knowing who he is and not putting the likes of luke walton on him
If BBD misses a bunny, people are ready to trade him for a bag of rocks...but I dont think hes ever played as bad as powe has in this recent stretch

Some celtics fans favortism towards powe makes me sick, especially when BBD is the better player, the sooner we all come to terms with that, the better

TP for the good post.  I'm sick of it too.

Does anybody else remember when Rondo was so awful beginning of this season that I was ready to puke? Does anybody remember that BBD shot ALL jumpshots before about a week ago and had a FG% in the 30's. Does anybody remember how PP couldn't hit a jumper if his life depended on it and we were all freaking out about it weeks ago? I also recall the TRADE Eddie ideas about two weeks ago. Powe is playing awful right now and i'm not going to try and convince anyone that he isn't, he's slumping and the only way to get through a slump is play through it. Ray couldn't hit anything in the playoffs yet still got his normal playing time when he was near useless for offense. Ray got his grove late in the ECF's and has been great since. Powe isn't overrated, and neither is BBD although people view him a bit oddly. If anyone is overrated it's that walking albatross with red hair who i'm glad went down.

[Mr October]

I find it funny that people are so adamantly for or against certain players (especially the Baby/Powe debates), when all the apples coming off the bench have tons of bruises.

Oh yeah, well my player only has 17 bruises, while yours has 19!!

In truth, Powe or Baby will never be good enough to be 20+ minute regulars. They're just too short.

And Tony is a shooting guard who can't shoot... and is undersized. That is a pretty bad combination. Again, why not sign Mo Evans? The Hawks got him for the same price as TA.... The Hawks!!