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Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« on: January 27, 2009, 01:28:19 AM »

Offline sinbad

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This month alone, KG has gone up against some of the very best PFs in the game and he and the rest of the C's have completely shut them down.

                  FG-FGA  Pts
Stoudemire         0-7     3
Bosh               5-16   15
Bosh               6-11   18
Howard             4-10   11
Nowitzki           4-17   18

TOTAL              19-61  65
FG%                31.1%
PPG                13.0

I know Perk was playing Howard but KG played him at times and was always the help defender whenever Howard got the ball. The term "lock-down defender usually applies to perimeter defenders like Bowen, Artest, and at times Kobe. The big men are normally shot blockers but I've never heard of a lock-down post player...maybe Rodman was the last I could recall. KG doesn't get the blocks or the steals but I wouldn't be surprised to see him get his second straight Defensive player of the Year award.

Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2009, 01:35:16 AM »

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Great numbers, I too realized this after the Mavericks game. TP for the numbers, I knew they were good but I didn't know they were that good... They're the Truth, you can quote me on that.

Haha sorry that was probably the worst joke I've ever made, I couldn't resist.

Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2009, 01:41:59 AM »

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This month alone, KG has gone up against some of the very best PFs in the game and he and the rest of the C's have completely shut them down.

                  FG-FGA  Pts
Stoudemire         0-7     3
Bosh               5-16   15
Bosh               6-11   18
Howard             4-10   11
Nowitzki           4-17   18

TOTAL              19-61  65
FG%                31.1%
PPG                13.0

I know Perk was playing Howard but KG played him at times and was always the help defender whenever Howard got the ball. The term "lock-down defender usually applies to perimeter defenders like Bowen, Artest, and at times Kobe. The big men are normally shot blockers but I've never heard of a lock-down post player...maybe Rodman was the last I could recall. KG doesn't get the blocks or the steals but I wouldn't be surprised to see him get his second straight Defensive player of the Year award.

It was mostly Scal guarding Stoudemire, but still,lately KG has been playing even better "D" than he usually does.

KG does get the blocks when he needs to. If he had to hang back and block shots, he could. He used to be right up there with the league leaders in blocks, and you can see when does line up a player for a block he almost always gets them. I can recall so many times when a guard has taken the ball into the paint, only to be rejected by KG.

And he gets the steals. More steals than most big men, anyway. I don't know where he ranks in the NBA in steals, but he takes the ball away a lot. Remember when he just ripped it out of Shaq's hands in the Phoenix game? And last year, when he measured Telfair, stuck his hand in, batted away Bassy's crossover, and then ran down court and dove on it WITH a strained oblique?

He gets the steals and blocks. He just saves them for crucial moments......

was this post even relevant? Or did I just go off on a huge tangent?
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 02:29:40 AM »

Offline Binky-King

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This month alone, KG has gone up against some of the very best PFs in the game and he and the rest of the C's have completely shut them down.

                  FG-FGA  Pts
Stoudemire         0-7     3
Bosh               5-16   15
Bosh               6-11   18
Howard             4-10   11
Nowitzki           4-17   18

TOTAL              19-61  65
FG%                31.1%
PPG                13.0

I know Perk was playing Howard but KG played him at times and was always the help defender whenever Howard got the ball. The term "lock-down defender usually applies to perimeter defenders like Bowen, Artest, and at times Kobe. The big men are normally shot blockers but I've never heard of a lock-down post player...maybe Rodman was the last I could recall. KG doesn't get the blocks or the steals but I wouldn't be surprised to see him get his second straight Defensive player of the Year award.

This month alone, KG has gone up against some of the very best PFs in the game and he and the rest of the C's have completely shut them down.

                  FG-FGA  Pts
Stoudemire         0-7     3
Bosh               5-16   15
Bosh               6-11   18
Howard             4-10   11
Nowitzki           4-17   18

TOTAL              19-61  65
FG%                31.1%
PPG                13.0

I know Perk was playing Howard but KG played him at times and was always the help defender whenever Howard got the ball. The term "lock-down defender usually applies to perimeter defenders like Bowen, Artest, and at times Kobe. The big men are normally shot blockers but I've never heard of a lock-down post player...maybe Rodman was the last I could recall. KG doesn't get the blocks or the steals but I wouldn't be surprised to see him get his second straight Defensive player of the Year award.

Like others have mentioned KG didn't guard Amare, Scal did with a lot of help. Garnett didn't guard Howard either, Perkins & Baby guarded Howard mostly one-on-one. The only elite post defender on the Celtics is Perkins, Garnett doesn't have the build to be an elite post defender. But he routinely shuts down other tweaners like Dirk, Bosh and the like.

Garnett anchors the defense with his "help", I don't think I've ever seen a better help defender play the game. But to call him a lock-down post player just isn't accurate.

Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 04:02:18 AM »

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The only elite post defender on the Celtics is Perkins, Garnett doesn't have the build to be an elite post defender. But he routinely shuts down other tweaners like Dirk, Bosh and the like.

Garnett anchors the defense with his "help", I don't think I've ever seen a better help defender play the game. But to call him a lock-down post player just isn't accurate.

I partially disagree. Post defence is much more than playing straight up from behind - an option where Perkins is obviously better than Garnett, at least when defending the bigger low post players. But Garnett was the one defending Shaq, for instance. While I agree that what makes Garnett a great defender is essentially his help defence (that's what anchors a defence) and his amazing pick'n'roll defence, he can do a very good job guarding the low post.

Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 08:01:51 AM »

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He has picked up his defensive intensity, but its still all about the team defense(the entire team has kicked it up a notch,  being able to practice probably helps)
and He never guards a guy for a full game, he and perk and even Baby seem to rotate on the other teams best post player...Perk and baby are probably both better defenders in that regards..but when you got a guy like dirk/rashard lewis floating the perimiter, good luck with a growling 7 footer literally glued to you
« Last Edit: January 27, 2009, 08:10:01 AM by TatteredOnMySleeve »
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Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2009, 08:10:10 AM »

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I think his overall game has picked up.  During that bad stretch for the team I think KG was nicked up and mentioned his calf was bothering him and I remember him limping slightly during one of those games.  He just looks like a fresher player lately and it helps not going through a crazy stretch of games now with so many back to backs like earlier in the season. 

Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 08:16:13 AM »

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I think his overall game has picked up.  During that bad stretch for the team I think KG was nicked up and mentioned his calf was bothering him and I remember him limping slightly during one of those games.  He just looks like a fresher player lately and it helps not going through a crazy stretch of games now with so many back to backs like earlier in the season. 

his offense and rebounding have been below average (for KG standards) and 2 rebounds the other night isnt enough for me to say his overall game has picked up...if tim duncan had 23/2...itd be the end of the world...I think for us to win it all hes gonna have to bring it to a another level after all-star weekend
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Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 08:47:20 AM »

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I think KG is playing tougher man to man defense lately. It could be due to the let up in the schedule. His support defense is always there. I also think he may be hurt. After the Dallas game he was interviewed and when he walked off the court he seemed to be limping. I was also watching him on offense when he doesn't have the ball. He is constantly moving great distances to set picks and then recovering to his original position to get a pass or rebound. And, I think his game changes when Perk is out. Perk saves him energy by taking on alot of the backup defense. In summary KG expends alot of energy in games. So if he's hurt, or the schedule is tough or Perk is out he needs to concentrate on doing what is most important in a game or at the moment. A bit off topic, but I saw an interview where Doc described what it was like when the team watched the inauguration. The whole team was there and Doc said it was the first time he was in a room with the team for thirty minutes and didn't hear a word from KG or Sam.

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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 12:02:01 PM »

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The only elite post defender on the Celtics is Perkins, Garnett doesn't have the build to be an elite post defender. But he routinely shuts down other tweaners like Dirk, Bosh and the like.

Garnett anchors the defense with his "help", I don't think I've ever seen a better help defender play the game. But to call him a lock-down post player just isn't accurate.

I partially disagree. Post defence is much more than playing straight up from behind - an option where Perkins is obviously better than Garnett, at least when defending the bigger low post players. But Garnett was the one defending Shaq, for instance. While I agree that what makes Garnett a great defender is essentially his help defence (that's what anchors a defence) and his amazing pick'n'roll defence, he can do a very good job guarding the low post.

Garnett also has an effective low post game offensively, but his build just doesn't allow him to play in the post consistently. It's the same on defense, if he had to guard the Dwights, Shaqs & Yaos of the world night in and night out he'd be worn out and the coaches know this. He's not a lock down post defender any more than he's back-to-the-basket post player.

Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 12:55:07 PM »

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Sunday it was obvious that KG was built to shut down a guy like Dirk.  Dirk couldn't get around him off the dribble and couldn't go to the post due to KG's length.  If every team had a Dirk for KG to guard, he would be DPoY every year.

As for the Shaqs, Yaos and Dwights, it is wise to use KG in moderation.  He can shut down when needed, but if he played these types all the time, I agree that he would be a walking sore/bruise.

Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2009, 01:04:36 PM »

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Most pf's in the league are to lazy to chase or go out to the perimeter each trip down the floor to guard Dirk.KG will follow him to the locker room if it means keeping him in ck.I give Scal credit Sunday for playing some good D also on Dirk,even if the offciating was terrible.
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Re: Everyone notice KG's "D" lately
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2009, 01:14:04 PM »

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The only elite post defender on the Celtics is Perkins, Garnett doesn't have the build to be an elite post defender. But he routinely shuts down other tweaners like Dirk, Bosh and the like.

Garnett anchors the defense with his "help", I don't think I've ever seen a better help defender play the game. But to call him a lock-down post player just isn't accurate.

I partially disagree. Post defence is much more than playing straight up from behind - an option where Perkins is obviously better than Garnett, at least when defending the bigger low post players. But Garnett was the one defending Shaq, for instance. While I agree that what makes Garnett a great defender is essentially his help defence (that's what anchors a defence) and his amazing pick'n'roll defence, he can do a very good job guarding the low post.

Garnett also has an effective low post game offensively, but his build just doesn't allow him to play in the post consistently. It's the same on defense, if he had to guard the Dwights, Shaqs & Yaos of the world night in and night out he'd be worn out and the coaches know this. He's not a lock down post defender any more than he's back-to-the-basket post player.

You're definition of "post defender" seems to be pretty narrow.  No, Garnett won't guard Shaq, Howard, or Oden often due to size/strength mismatches.  But he can and has guarded every other great big man that I can think of in the post when needed, to good results.

And the "when needed" is a key aspect of this.  KG has a lot of roles on this team: defensive quarterback, primary help defender, lead rebounder, lead post defender, shooter, pick-setter, post-presence offensively, offense facilitator/passer, etc.  He generally does some combo of all of the above in every game, but not to the same degree.  But I've noticed that when he needs to concentrate and ramp up any 1 particular aspect, he's been able to do that.

Focus: post defense.  Since Garnett has been in Boston with the luxury to spend time/energy dedicated primarily to removing an opposing big man, he has shown that he can do it to pretty much anyone.  Here's a Fave Five of outstanding offensive bigs (from low-post legends to the best perimeter scoring 7-footer ever) that KG has erased at key periods since becoming a Celtic:

1) Locked down Tim Duncan in San Antonio.  Perk started the game with the assignment and Duncan had 8 early points while the Spurs jetted out to a lead, then sometime in the second quarter KG switched onto Duncan and erased him from the game (2 points total for Duncan over most of the final 3 quarters) while Boston mounted a huge comeback to win.

2) Locked down a hot Yao for the back half of the 4th quarter to end a Rockets game last January, leading a Celtics comeback victory.

3) Locked up a scorching Amare (22 points at the half) for the whole 3rd quarter (0 points, 4 TOs) as a close game turned into a Celtics rout once Phoenix lost their best scorer during that key stretch.

4) Erased Dirk on Sunday (Dirk had 6 points on 2-for-9 FG and 2-for-4 FT, 4 TO, 0 asts during the time when KG was on the floor).  Dirk, by the way, was on fire, averaging 30.5 ppg in the 6 games before facing the Celtics.

5) Routinely removes Bosh from games, almost at will, such as in the game 2 weeks ago when Bosh had 16 points with 8 minutes left in the 4th Q of a game where Toronto had a small lead.  KG re-entered the game with 8 minutes left, then held Bosh scoreless in final 8 minutes after KG returned in regulation, then scoreless in overtime until meaningless FTs long after score decided

Again, KG doesn't always play that level of 1-on-1 defense.  He generally saves it for when the Celts are playing a team with a dominant big man who, if removed from the equation gives the Celtics a markedly better chance to win.  In those situations I guess it is deemed worth it for KG to expend the energy, be it for stretches or for quarters at a time, to be that lock-down 1-on-1 defender.  So under most circumstances yeah, KG is a better help defender than a 1-on-1 guy, but he has clearly and repeatedly shown since he's been a Celtic that when facing the best and the need arises he can not just slow them down...he can take them completely off the board.

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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 01:44:25 PM »

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I think his overall game has picked up.  During that bad stretch for the team I think KG was nicked up and mentioned his calf was bothering him and I remember him limping slightly during one of those games.  He just looks like a fresher player lately and it helps not going through a crazy stretch of games now with so many back to backs like earlier in the season. 

his offense and rebounding have been below average (for KG standards) and 2 rebounds the other night isnt enough for me to say his overall game has picked up...if tim duncan had 23/2...itd be the end of the world...I think for us to win it all hes gonna have to bring it to a another level after all-star weekend

He needs to bring it to another level in the playoffs, not necessarily in the regular season. Anyone on here doubt that when the ball gets tipped in that first game that KG won't transform into the maniac we know and love?!

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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2009, 01:54:05 PM »

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Garnett is the best defensive player in the league.