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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #315 on: January 15, 2010, 10:27:35 AM »

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Thought this might help, Edgar, (it's definitely Spanish origin ... I've checked the earliest etymology I could find):


caf⋅e⋅te⋅ri⋅a  /ˌkæfɪˈtɪəriə/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [kaf-i-teer-ee-uh]  Show IPA
Use cafeteria in a Sentence
See images of cafeteria
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–noun 1. a restaurant in which patrons wait on themselves, carrying their food to tables from counters where it is displayed and served.
2. a lunchroom or dining hall, as in a factory, office, or school, where food is served from counters or dispensed from vending machines or where food brought from home may be eaten.


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Origin:
1830–40, Americanism; < AmerSp cafetería café, equiv. to Sp cafeter(a) coffeemaker (< F caf(f)etière; café coffee + -ière, fem. of -ier -ier 2 ; t appar. by analogy with words such as bouquetière flower seller, from bases ending in t) + -ía -ia


 ;)


yup this is pretty much the common knowledge of the word
I am pretty much in a mission to prove you have to include the word
TE  as in TEA there because only consider it for coffe sounds a little too restrictive in my book
 ;D
So I am trying to make the noun a little more democratic
or socialist or wathever ... ;D
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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #316 on: January 15, 2010, 10:29:39 AM »

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Dear Edgar,

Bit of a long story, but you're bored, so here we go.

The other day, I was at work. There were a lot of people absent, due to the flu. I guess that happens this time of year. My colleague Matthijs (I know, Dutch names suck) has just become a father and his wife phoned halfway through the day. She was quite upset about something. When I asked him what was up after he hung up the phone, he just sighed, angrily and grunted "bah, women." I concurred and our intern, a women herself, sitting in our office, sighed and shook her head. We laughed a bit and went on working.

So as I mentioned, there's a lot of people that stayed home that day due to the flu. There was a fair bit of snow outside and I had to go and get some food, because I was very hungry. Unfortunately, Tom, another colleague, dared me to go and play some pingpong (or table tennis, as you will) and I could definitely not refuse. I decided it was worth having a churning stomach. At the time I went to play that game, both Matthijs and the intern were not there.

Well, the flu had gotten to quite a lot of people, who were all at home, but I told you that already. When I got back from the game of ping pong (or table tennis, as you will) The intern was back, and Matthijs was still gone. I checked my outlook to see if he was at an appointment. We have this nifty setting where you can check your colleagues agendas. I'm sure it's pretty common but I just thought I'd note it, because, like I said, it's pretty sweet. Turns out he was already away to a client and I couldn't help but think to myself "oh bugger. Now it's going to be a silent day again." That's because he's the guy I laugh the most with normally.

Now, with all those people being sick (the flu, as I said before) it wasn't too busy at the office. Fortunately (for me) Matthijs was back like, within an hour or so! So at about 2 o'clock we started cracking jokes again and I tought him some more of the Rubik's cube. My record time is like 1 minute and 20 seconds, and a lot of people are really impressed when you solve it in front of their eyes, and he wanted to learn how to do it too. I was actually wondering whether you could solve it too. It's quite easy if you know how to do it.

The flu was in this story for fun, but I'm not lying because a lot of people were actually not there. Also, I kind of hid the question up in the previous paragraph so that you wouldn't read the question first while you were confronted with this big piece of text, and I'd have written it for nothing at all. Also, I didn't add a question mark to it because that would make it too easy to find as well.

Hope to have my answer soon.

- Dirk

Dear Kiorrik Dirk

I am a little late but always happy to answer

first of all i will
send this and this to co workers just in case the flu attacks there.
I know thats not the case but just in case

U know Dutch names are indeed a pain in the... I am right now working with a Dutch celebrity in the protected areas theme, Daan Vreugdenhil the founder of WICE world institute for conservation in a study for the protected areas system. I started trying to call him Dr. Vred..... but i ended calling him Dan ( even if his name is Daan) and i am pretty sure you did not pronounce it that way.
their logo is this one and you can find info of them here http://birdlist.org


Then I use to play a lot of table tennis during elementary school and then a little during engineer studies, we  play it in the coffe and tea area as know as cafeteria in spanish I always thought you call it cafeteria in spanish just because its called from Cofee and tea area, Thats one investigation I still have to run, the origin of the word cafeteria.


Its always great to have a person to talk too in the office I managed to hire one of my best friends as catastro specialist in my project so I am covered in that one, everytime we have field days i know I have someone to share a couple of beers when we are heading back.

Hope flu doesnt attack your office, i am sure that wont be the case


Bye


ahh I used to be darn good at it  havent touch one in like 10 years



Edgar


And i had a blast answering this one really
Later this year i will give the Loco award
to the best question ever asked to edgar
and give the trophy ( indesign)
there are wonderfull questions here and some
I LOVED to answer durig this years

Well

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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #317 on: January 15, 2010, 10:30:21 AM »

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Thought this might help, Edgar, (it's definitely Spanish origin ... I've checked the earliest etymology I could find):


caf⋅e⋅te⋅ri⋅a  /ˌkæfɪˈtɪəriə/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [kaf-i-teer-ee-uh]  Show IPA
Use cafeteria in a Sentence
See images of cafeteria
Search cafeteria on the Web
–noun 1. a restaurant in which patrons wait on themselves, carrying their food to tables from counters where it is displayed and served.
2. a lunchroom or dining hall, as in a factory, office, or school, where food is served from counters or dispensed from vending machines or where food brought from home may be eaten.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Origin:
1830–40, Americanism; < AmerSp cafetería café, equiv. to Sp cafeter(a) coffeemaker (< F caf(f)etière; café coffee + -ière, fem. of -ier -ier 2 ; t appar. by analogy with words such as bouquetière flower seller, from bases ending in t) + -ía -ia


 ;)


yup this is pretty much the common knowledge of the word
I am pretty much in a mission to prove you have to include the word
TE  as in TEA there because only consider it for coffe sounds a little too restrictive in my book
 ;D
So I am trying to make the noun a little more democratic
or socialist or wathever ... ;D

** I actually like your def. much better ... it makes more sense, is more complete, and actually makes the word easier to remember for those learning it: Cafeteria = Coffee Tea Area - you should copyright it! (Or even start a new thread: "Edgar's Etymologies") ;)
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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #318 on: January 15, 2010, 10:34:26 AM »

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Thought this might help, Edgar, (it's definitely Spanish origin ... I've checked the earliest etymology I could find):


caf⋅e⋅te⋅ri⋅a  /ˌkæfɪˈtɪəriə/  Show Spelled Pronunciation [kaf-i-teer-ee-uh]  Show IPA
Use cafeteria in a Sentence
See images of cafeteria
Search cafeteria on the Web
–noun 1. a restaurant in which patrons wait on themselves, carrying their food to tables from counters where it is displayed and served.
2. a lunchroom or dining hall, as in a factory, office, or school, where food is served from counters or dispensed from vending machines or where food brought from home may be eaten.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Origin:
1830–40, Americanism; < AmerSp cafetería café, equiv. to Sp cafeter(a) coffeemaker (< F caf(f)etière; café coffee + -ière, fem. of -ier -ier 2 ; t appar. by analogy with words such as bouquetière flower seller, from bases ending in t) + -ía -ia


 ;)


yup this is pretty much the common knowledge of the word
I am pretty much in a mission to prove you have to include the word
TE  as in TEA there because only consider it for coffe sounds a little too restrictive in my book
 ;D
So I am trying to make the noun a little more democratic
or socialist or wathever ... ;D

** I actually like your def. much better ... it makes more sense, is more complete, and actually makes the word easier to remember for those learning it: Cafeteria = Coffee Tea Area - you should copyright it! (Or even start a new thread: "Edgar's Etymologies") ;)

I will consider
but I dont think it will run much
after saying we name

Sapote the fruit after Sapo the animal. like in big sapo or sapo grande.
if you donk know what a sapote is is
this


and sapo is this



mmm..sapotes...I am hungry now
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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #319 on: January 15, 2010, 10:53:37 AM »

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Thanks for the answer buddy :D

Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #320 on: January 15, 2010, 11:12:57 AM »

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I may have asked this question before, but I still wonder.  The background to my question is this.  I believe (not 100% sure) but in Chile, if you are born away from Chile, you do not get Chilean citizenship.  It doesn't matter if your parents are Chilean, if you are not born there, then you are not Chilean.  Also, I heard that in Belgium, if a person has a child there, it doesn't matter if the child was born in Belgium, if the parents are from another country, then they don't get a Belgium citizenship.

My question is, what kind of citizenship would a person from a Chilean couple is born in Belgium?  I am not sure if that is true with Belgium or Chile, but you can understand the question.
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« Reply #321 on: January 15, 2010, 11:24:03 AM »

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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #322 on: January 15, 2010, 11:31:11 AM »

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I may have asked this question before, but I still wonder.  The background to my question is this.  I believe (not 100% sure) but in Chile, if you are born away from Chile, you do not get Chilean citizenship.  It doesn't matter if your parents are Chilean, if you are not born there, then you are not Chilean.  Also, I heard that in Belgium, if a person has a child there, it doesn't matter if the child was born in Belgium, if the parents are from another country, then they don't get a Belgium citizenship.

My question is, what kind of citizenship would a person from a Chilean couple is born in Belgium?  I am not sure if that is true with Belgium or Chile, but you can understand the question.


Dear A Monkey

Lets call it country A and Country B

making a parenthesis, Once Facundo Cabral says, The Mexicans comes from the Aztecs, the Italians from the Romans, the Peruvian from the Incas and the Argentinan from the Ships.( los barcos , I always loved that phrase U may easily applied here)

Now..

The kid most likely be Salvadorean
We welcome all here
even if noone want to come.


then you could be
too




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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #323 on: January 15, 2010, 11:35:34 AM »

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I love sapote, (though I've only had mamey, and not the others), and I love etymology as kind of a hobby, too.

I have an adopted sister from Ecuador, so while I've never taken Spanish, I grew up with it in my household. Also, my fiancee' is filipina, and as you probably know, the Philippines were controlled by Spaniards for a very long time, (her father is Castillian, in fact), and many filipina words are very similar to Spanish, and sometimes almost identical, (gusto is one that comes to mind).

There are hundreds of dialects in the Philippines and it's nearly impossible to get a grip on it ... they also mix Tagalog, Visaya and Cebuano, (the primaries), with English most of the time, so what's used on the "street" there is "Tag-lish", and it's incredibly confusing if you're trying to learn one of the dialects, (like I was when there). I'm not sure about your area, but my Ecuadorian sister had similar influences from the "natve" Ecuadorians, which I believe numbered in the dozens of tribes, (like the Cofan, Zaparo, etc), some with Incan origin, I believe(?) Is it similar in your area?

I was also surprised to discover that almost ALL of the family names in the Phil. are Spanish - Sanchez, Palma, Rodriquez, Legata, etc. - and except for the few Islamic areas, like Mindanao, Palawan, (where I didn't stay long, for safety reasons), entirely and strictly Catholic.

Anyway, (sorry for the rambling), they have sapote there, but they use the word for about five different kinds of similar fruit, my favorite was the one they called "mamey" which looked a lot like your picture inside, but it was round instead of oblong. For me the best part of the Philippines, (other than the amazingly beautiful women), was the variety of fresh fruits and vegetables, and they way they were prepared. I think it's similar in your area, too, from what I've seen and heard. But we here in the U.S. only get a small portion of the endless varieties of fruits that are grown world-wide, and most here just do not know what they're missing!

So after all that, (hope I didn't bore you), my question is this: I was in a largely South American Spanish section of NYC once with my Ecuadorian sister, and she introduced me to a fruit that I have never seen or heard of since, and I'm wondering/hoping if you have it where you are or know what it is? On the outside it looked mostly like a banana, but it was longer, and inside it had this cotton-like substance and within it had the texture and taste of custard. It was one of the most delicious things I've ever eaten, and since then I've only met one other person who had eaten it, but also had no clue what it was or the name. Any ideas?

Thanks, Edgar!

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« Reply #324 on: January 15, 2010, 11:37:56 AM »

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Is KG okay?

Dear Racker


YEEEEEEEEEEEEAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

he will be ok.

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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #325 on: January 15, 2010, 11:38:43 AM »

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I may have asked this question before, but I still wonder.  The background to my question is this.  I believe (not 100% sure) but in Chile, if you are born away from Chile, you do not get Chilean citizenship.  It doesn't matter if your parents are Chilean, if you are not born there, then you are not Chilean.  Also, I heard that in Belgium, if a person has a child there, it doesn't matter if the child was born in Belgium, if the parents are from another country, then they don't get a Belgium citizenship.

My question is, what kind of citizenship would a person from a Chilean couple is born in Belgium?  I am not sure if that is true with Belgium or Chile, but you can understand the question.


Dear A Monkey

Lets call it country A and Country B

making a parenthesis, Once Facundo Cabral says, The Mexicans comes from the Aztecs, the Italians from the Romans, the Peruvian from the Incas and the Argentinan from the Ships.( los barcos , I always loved that phrase U may easily applied here)

Now..

The kid most likely be Salvadorean
We welcome all here
even if noone want to come.


then you could be
too






Haha!  Very good!  I actually heard of an African soccer player who, on a ship on the way to Europe, lost both parents due to something (I dont remember, maybe ship sank).  Since nobody knew where he was from, he could choose the citizenship.  At first he just went on to have no citizenship, but I guess he spend most of his time in France so he ended up being French.
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« Reply #326 on: January 15, 2010, 11:48:00 AM »

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Well if the kid from Africa really did choose France as his home/country hopefully he realized he first must learn to raise his hands and surrender at the first shot of any rifle or any threat of invasion whatsever......so someone from a real country can come in and save him later on.

Viva la Cowards!!!!


Hey Edgar.......my question is: Was the politically incorrect enough or should I try again

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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #327 on: January 15, 2010, 11:53:09 AM »

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I love sapote, (though I've only had mamey, and not the others), and I love etymology as kind of a hobby, too.

I have an adopted sister from Ecuador, so while I've never taken Spanish, I grew up with it in my household. Also, my fiancee' is filipina, and as you probably know, the Philippines were controlled by Spaniards for a very long time, (her father is Castillian, in fact), and many filipina words are very similar to Spanish, and sometimes almost identical, (gusto is one that comes to mind).

There are hundreds of dialects in the Philippines and it's nearly impossible to get a grip on it ... they also mix Tagalog, Visaya and Cebuano, (the primaries), with English most of the time, so what's used on the "street" there is "Tag-lish", and it's incredibly confusing if you're trying to learn one of the dialects, (like I was when there). I'm not sure about your area, but my Ecuadorian sister had similar influences from the "natve" Ecuadorians, which I believe numbered in the dozens of tribes, (like the Cofan, Zaparo, etc), some with Incan origin, I believe(?) Is it similar in your area?

I was also surprised to discover that almost ALL of the family names in the Phil. are Spanish - Sanchez, Palma, Rodriquez, Legata, etc. - and except for the few Islamic areas, like Mindanao, Palawan, (where I didn't stay long, for safety reasons), entirely and strictly Catholic.

Anyway, (sorry for the rambling), they have sapote there, but they use the word for about five different kinds of similar fruit, my favorite was the one they called "mamey" which looked a lot like your picture inside, but it was round instead of oblong. For me the best part of the Philippines, (other than the amazingly beautiful women), was the variety of fresh fruits and vegetables, and they way they were prepared. I think it's similar in your area, too, from what I've seen and heard. But we here in the U.S. only get a small portion of the endless varieties of fruits that are grown world-wide, and most here just do not know what they're missing!

So after all that, (hope I didn't bore you), my question is this: I was in a largely South American Spanish section of NYC once with my Ecuadorian sister, and she introduced me to a fruit that I have never seen or heard of since, and I'm wondering/hoping if you have it where you are or know what it is? On the outside it looked mostly like a banana, but it was longer, and inside it had this cotton-like substance and within it had the texture and taste of custard. It was one of the most delicious things I've ever eaten, and since then I've only met one other person who had eaten it, but also had no clue what it was or the name. Any ideas?

Thanks, Edgar!

(Hope I didn't bore you - I bored myself!) ;)   

Dear Bakhu

We (my area)almost dont have native language only a little nahuatl talked in one or two areas but theyre pretty lost.
Guatemala in the other hand have still a lot of lenguas talked there.

What you ate sounds like a Paterna



darn good and the seed is even better

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Re: Ask Edgar
« Reply #328 on: January 15, 2010, 11:58:30 AM »

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Well if the kid from Africa really did choose France as his home/country hopefully he realized he first must learn to raise his hands and surrender at the first shot of any rifle or any threat of invasion whatsever......so someone from a real country can come in and save him later on.

Viva la Cowards!!!!


Hey Edgar.......my question is: Was the politically incorrect enough or should I try again

The Old Lady


Dear Old Lady

with you its always enough
 :o

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« Reply #329 on: January 15, 2010, 12:02:52 PM »

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I love sapote, (though I've only had mamey, and not the others), and I love etymology as kind of a hobby, too.

I have an adopted sister from Ecuador, so while I've never taken Spanish, I grew up with it in my household. Also, my fiancee' is filipina, and as you probably know, the Philippines were controlled by Spaniards for a very long time, (her father is Castillian, in fact), and many filipina words are very similar to Spanish, and sometimes almost identical, (gusto is one that comes to mind).

There are hundreds of dialects in the Philippines and it's nearly impossible to get a grip on it ... they also mix Tagalog, Visaya and Cebuano, (the primaries), with English most of the time, so what's used on the "street" there is "Tag-lish", and it's incredibly confusing if you're trying to learn one of the dialects, (like I was when there). I'm not sure about your area, but my Ecuadorian sister had similar influences from the "natve" Ecuadorians, which I believe numbered in the dozens of tribes, (like the Cofan, Zaparo, etc), some with Incan origin, I believe(?) Is it similar in your area?

I was also surprised to discover that almost ALL of the family names in the Phil. are Spanish - Sanchez, Palma, Rodriquez, Legata, etc. - and except for the few Islamic areas, like Mindanao, Palawan, (where I didn't stay long, for safety reasons), entirely and strictly Catholic.

Anyway, (sorry for the rambling), they have sapote there, but they use the word for about five different kinds of similar fruit, my favorite was the one they called "mamey" which looked a lot like your picture inside, but it was round instead of oblong. For me the best part of the Philippines, (other than the amazingly beautiful women), was the variety of fresh fruits and vegetables, and they way they were prepared. I think it's similar in your area, too, from what I've seen and heard. But we here in the U.S. only get a small portion of the endless varieties of fruits that are grown world-wide, and most here just do not know what they're missing!

So after all that, (hope I didn't bore you), my question is this: I was in a largely South American Spanish section of NYC once with my Ecuadorian sister, and she introduced me to a fruit that I have never seen or heard of since, and I'm wondering/hoping if you have it where you are or know what it is? On the outside it looked mostly like a banana, but it was longer, and inside it had this cotton-like substance and within it had the texture and taste of custard. It was one of the most delicious things I've ever eaten, and since then I've only met one other person who had eaten it, but also had no clue what it was or the name. Any ideas?

Thanks, Edgar!

(Hope I didn't bore you - I bored myself!) ;)   

Dear Bakhu

We (my area)almost dont have native language only a little nahuatl talked in one or two areas but theyre pretty lost.
Guatemala in the other hand have still a lot of lenguas talked there.

What you ate sounds like a Paterna



darn good and the seed is even better

Edgar


And if its not a paterna
I wrote this a looong time ago
during my sabatic period in the jungles of the Amazon

http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/fruitproducts_sw.htm


Saludos

Edgar
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