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Offline biggs

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I love KG and his intensity!  It's his whole personality, not just his on court attitude.  This guy lives and breathes competition. 

I had the honor of going to the celtics winter shoot around last year and got to spend some time around KG, REAL close.  Let me tell you, this guy doesn't stop trashtalking all day.  And it's funny, not annoying.  He's very competitive, but it's all good and fun. 

He has been in the league for so long that all he knows is bball.  He prides himself on being a good teammate and constantly thinking about the game.

He loves basketball, loves being a celtic, brings 110% every night and is arguably the best defender we've had since Russell, oh yeah brought us a ring after 22 years of misery.  I think he has earned his right to pound his chest from time to time when he accomplishes something for our team.   ;) 
Truuuuuuuuuth!

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I'm listening to you maniac :D TP.
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Offline TatteredOnMySleeve

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I still think Paul Pierce is the best player and true heart and soul on this team , and without KG paul never sniffs the finals (and vice-versa) ...so we should be thankful for what KG brought, ..
  I think Garnett actually is a bit overrated, I know its blashphemy to say that but deep down I think most of us realize it...doesnt mean we dont love him... I also find it annoying how he's used as the face of the team around the league, when our captain and best player is pierce

When you got it going, you got it going. I just keep my focus down the stretch. That's when I want the ball. I'm just not afraid to fail."-PaulPierce

Offline Roy Hobbs

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I still think Paul Pierce is the best player and true heart and soul on this team , and without KG paul never sniffs the finals (and vice-versa) ...so we should be thankful for what KG brought, ..
  I think Garnett actually is a bit overrated, I know its blashphemy to say that but deep down I think most of us realize it...doesnt mean we dont love him... I also find it annoying how he's used as the face of the team around the league, when our captain and best player is pierce



Well...  how is he "rated"?  I think most Celtics fans see he and Pierce as "1" and "1A", or "1A" and "1".  KG was the catalyst for the championship, but if it was KG who had been here, and Pierce was brought in, I think people would be saying the same thing about Pierce.  They're co-equals, and I think most Celts fans share that opinion.

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Offline BudweiserCeltic

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I think the main problem with these people is the media instead of KG... I think they should focus their energies to the appropiate target.

Offline celticmaestro

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I still think Paul Pierce is the best player and true heart and soul on this team , and without KG paul never sniffs the finals (and vice-versa) ...so we should be thankful for what KG brought, ..
  I think Garnett actually is a bit overrated, I know its blashphemy to say that but deep down I think most of us realize it...doesnt mean we dont love him... I also find it annoying how he's used as the face of the team around the league, when our captain and best player is pierce



Well...  how is he "rated"?  I think most Celtics fans see he and Pierce as "1" and "1A", or "1A" and "1".  KG was the catalyst for the championship, but if it was KG who had been here, and Pierce was brought in, I think people would be saying the same thing about Pierce.  They're co-equals, and I think most Celts fans share that opinion.

Let's not forget how big a factor Ray Allen was and still is.

Offline TatteredOnMySleeve

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I still think Paul Pierce is the best player and true heart and soul on this team , and without KG paul never sniffs the finals (and vice-versa) ...so we should be thankful for what KG brought, ..
  I think Garnett actually is a bit overrated, I know its blashphemy to say that but deep down I think most of us realize it...doesnt mean we dont love him... I also find it annoying how he's used as the face of the team around the league, when our captain and best player is pierce



Well...  how is he "rated"?  I think most Celtics fans see he and Pierce as "1" and "1A", or "1A" and "1".  KG was the catalyst for the championship, but if it was KG who had been here, and Pierce was brought in, I think people would be saying the same thing about Pierce.  They're co-equals, and I think most Celts fans share that opinion.

Garnetts rated high enough to be the highest paid player in the league, i think most casual viewers or fans get the idea that hes by far our best player just from a marketing standpoint and in the same league as the Lebrons and Kobes of the world...maybe it has to do with people thinking KG is still in his 2004 form, when people who watch him everyday realize he can get pushed off his spots by a strong shooting guard and floats further away from the basket the closer it gets to crunch time
When you got it going, you got it going. I just keep my focus down the stretch. That's when I want the ball. I'm just not afraid to fail."-PaulPierce

Offline Jaycelt

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  You know something?  Every player is different.  The people who complain about KG's demeanor are just as wrong as the people who complain that Pierce doesn't play with enough emotion, or Ray doesn't take over games, or Perk is too angry all the time.
Really, these players are all starting on an NBA Championship team.  They must be doing something right.  And if it works for them then who are we to be telling them any different?

Sometimes fans just have to know when to shut up and enjoy the ride, part of which means appreciating these guys for who they are and not expecting them to live up to some armchair coaches view of what they should be.

Offline CELTICS733

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Greenwise, I agree with you on most if not all of your points.  My issue is that whenever anyone talks Celtics it's all about KG and what he does or can do, but no one mentions his major shortcomings and a lot of why the Celtics struggle sometimes is because his lack of a consistent post up game or his interior defense (not help defense).  
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Offline CelticsPrideKG

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Even though he is the driving force from an emotional stand point I feel KG is totally overrated.  He's the bully in the play ground, yes he's tough, he's angry and he wants to kick butt, however when has KG put the Celtics on his back and carried us for a game or two?  He hasn't and won’t.  He's only as good as the team is doing.  If Pierce and Allen are flat the Celtics lose.  When we need that big basket are we more comfortable with KG taking the shot or Pierce/Allen?  I like KG's energy, but it's a farce, he's a very good team defender, however one on one he stops no one.  You would think with his size and skill set he would totally dominate, but it doesn't happen.  His post game stinks, I would love to see his total season shot chart, I guarantee he's made more baskets from 10 feet and out than he does from in.  That's why we struggled in the playoffs because we don't have a reliable post game and if Perk doesn't develop further we will struggle again.  Defensive player of year, NOT!  6' 7" Joey Graham guarded KG down the stretch last night and he kept him off the block and prevented him from getting to the hole.  Wake Up, The Big Ticket is more hype than

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I didn't read beyond the first few sentences.

Your facts are just wrong and I can point to the big Atlanta game a month or so ago without doing any research as a game where Garnett carried them down the stretch in the 4th quarter.

He was also huge in the playoffs last year - I believe the highest scorer in the 4th quarter throughout the playoffs.

Get your facts straight - then comment or you just make yourself look dumb.

Offline drza44

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I still think Paul Pierce is the best player and true heart and soul on this team , and without KG paul never sniffs the finals (and vice-versa) ...so we should be thankful for what KG brought, ..
  I think Garnett actually is a bit overrated, I know its blashphemy to say that but deep down I think most of us realize it...doesnt mean we dont love him... I also find it annoying how he's used as the face of the team around the league, when our captain and best player is pierce



Well...  how is he "rated"?  I think most Celtics fans see he and Pierce as "1" and "1A", or "1A" and "1".  KG was the catalyst for the championship, but if it was KG who had been here, and Pierce was brought in, I think people would be saying the same thing about Pierce.  They're co-equals, and I think most Celts fans share that opinion.

Garnetts rated high enough to be the highest paid player in the league, i think most casual viewers or fans get the idea that hes by far our best player just from a marketing standpoint and in the same league as the Lebrons and Kobes of the world...maybe it has to do with people thinking KG is still in his 2004 form, when people who watch him everyday realize he can get pushed off his spots by a strong shooting guard and floats further away from the basket the closer it gets to crunch time

A few points.

1) KG is the highest paid player in the NBA due to what he did in Minnesota.  Pre-2007, there is no question that KG has the best resume of any player currently on the Celtics so I'm not sure how his salary factors into this discussion.

2) Why many non-Celtics fans view KG as the leader of the team: Gorman said last season that great teams take on the personality of the leader.  If someone asked you to describe the 2008 Celtics without naming any names, I don't think it's a stretch to say that the most common words would be: outstanding defense, efficient but not overpowering offense, intense, unselfish, edgy, team-above-individual, etc.  I would think that almost every response would contain some combo of the above words.  And I don't think it is unreasonable to point out that those words fit almost verbatim on KG pre-2007, and don't really fit in entirety on anyone else on the team pre-2007.  Said briefly, this Celtics' team just LOOKS like KG.

3) Pure on-court play from 07-08.  Leaving all intangibles aside, Garnett was universally ranked as the best player on the Celtics by every advanced basketball stat that I've seen.  I know some don't love advanced basketball stats, but when ALL of them agree that generally suggests that the position may have some merit.  Those same stats, by the way, DID rank KG as on par with the LeBrons and Kobes of the world last season.

4) I was the one that Roy mentioned above, that went through and looked at all of the 4th quarters from the playoffs last season.  And yes, KG was the leading 4th quarter scorer for the Cs across the playoffs last year.  He was also the leading 4th quarter scorer in playoff games decided by 10 points or less...or decided by 7 points or less...or decided by 4 points or less.  Bottom line, in last year's playoffs KG was the leading scorer and rebounder on the team, he was their leading clutch scorer, and (just for icing) he also hit the only game-winning shot for the team.

Bottom line: this Celtics squad is built on team-not-me.  KG had a historic resume coming in, but Pierce has been here a decade and each are vital to the team.  You want to say they're co-leaders, great.  You want to include Allen and say the team lead is shared among the Big 3, fine.  You want to say that it is true UBUNTU, and every player on the team is just as important as every other...it's a stretch, but I like the good-feeling theory so I won't argue with you.  But these "KG is overrated so that Pierce can be the best" themes that have no basis in reality...kinda suck.

Offline CelticsPrideKG

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It's so funny what a losing streak will do to a fanbase.

The sky is falling.

Garnett sucks.

What can we get for Ray?