Player comparison, Celtics bench

[Roy Hobbs]

All stats "per 36 minutes":

Player A: 8.2 pts, 3.8 reb, 1.4 ast, 40.4 fg%, 0.7 blk, 1.0 tov, 5.0 pf

Player B: 8.5 pts, 6.5 reb, 1.6 ast, 36.9 fg%, 0.5 blk, 1.2 tov, 5.9 pf

The major difference between the two?  Player A has an eFG% of .519 and shoots 38.7% from 3PT.  Player B has an eFG% of .387 and has no three point range, but shoots 29.9% on jumpshots from inside the arc.  Both players are given credit for their defense, hustle, and intangibles.

Yet, Player A is routinely called "garbage", while Player B has a legion of fans sticking up for him.

[Chris]

Scal and Davis?

[Roy Hobbs]

Scal and Davis?

Yep.  The post is probably a little mean-spirited, but I can't believe that people hate Scal so much, calling him the worst player in the league, and yet in the same breath stick up for BBD.

(That doesn't apply to all posters, of course.  For instance, I've seen some posters call both players garbage, and some support both.  However, Scal gets a lot of undeserved scorn when one of our beloved rotation players is having a similar year.)

[Chris]

Hey, I support them both.  I think they both provide this team with significantly better defense than anyone else on the bench.  I honestly wish neither of them was more than an 8th or 9th man, but when you look at the other options, they simply need to be out there, if the C's want to stop anyone when the second team is out there.

And it definitely seems lately like Davis is getting just as much scorn as Scal.  And it really isn't deserved.

And BTW, Davis has been hitting the jumper at much better rate in the last 10 games or so.  Is there anyway to look at a breakdown of those stats?

[cordobes]

Ahaha. Good one. But the difference on rebounding is important, they don't even play at the same position and stats - besides only telling what is statistically measured, a small part of the gaem - per 36 minutes are very misleading. I mean:

Last season, two Celtics players:

A - 20.7 pts, 10.1 rbs, 2.1 tov, 0.8 stl, .539 FG%, .558 TS%
B - 19.8 pts, 10.1 rbs, 1.9 tov, 1.3 stl, .572 FG%, .597 TS%

Anyway, I've been defending for awhile that working Scal into the rotation would be the easiest solution to get things more stable.

[Who]

And BTW, Davis has been hitting the jumper at much better rate in the last 10 games or so.  Is there anyway to look at a breakdown of those stats?

Go to hotspots and change the splits to the last 10 games. You could get the information that way.

Glen Davis has hit 7-17 from outside of 15 feet. That's 41%.

He is 2-7 on short jumpshots inside of 15 feet. Overall, that's 9-24 for 37.5%.

[Chris]

And BTW, Davis has been hitting the jumper at much better rate in the last 10 games or so.  Is there anyway to look at a breakdown of those stats?

Go to hotspots and change the splits to the last 10 games. You could get the information that way.

Glen Davis has hit 7-17 from outside of 15 feet. That's 41%.

He is 2-7 on short jumpshots inside of 15 feet. Overall, that's 9-24 for 37.5%.

Nice, thanks.

[Chief]

All stats "per 36 minutes":

Player A: 8.2 pts, 3.8 reb, 1.4 ast, 40.4 fg%, 0.7 blk, 1.0 tov, 5.0 pf

Player B: 8.5 pts, 6.5 reb, 1.6 ast, 36.9 fg%, 0.5 blk, 1.2 tov, 5.9 pf

The major difference between the two?  Player A has an eFG% of .519 and shoots 38.7% from 3PT.  Player B has an eFG% of .387 and has no three point range, but shoots 29.9% on jumpshots from inside the arc.  Both players are given credit for their defense, hustle, and intangibles.

Yet, Player A is routinely called "garbage", while Player B has a legion of fans sticking up for him.

I hate Scals and I don't want my pf averaging 3.8 rebounds "per 36 minutes". As for Davis, I don't think it was his idea to become a jump shooter. From everything I've read, that was a coaching decision. Now preferably I'd like neither one of them to play and let POB and B. Walker get into the rotation.

http://newengland.comcastsportsnet.com/wickedgoodsports/celtics/three-on-three-with-the-celtics/

[KCattheStripe]

Scal and Davis?

Yep.  The post is probably a little mean-spirited, but I can't believe that people hate Scal so much, calling him the worst player in the league, and yet in the same breath stick up for BBD.

(That doesn't apply to all posters, of course.  For instance, I've seen some posters call both players garbage, and some support both.  However, Scal gets a lot of undeserved scorn when one of our beloved rotation players is having a similar year.)

YEah, but Scals is getting paid more money.

[ManUp]

Wow! I knew BBD was one of our worst players, but worst than Scal? Amazing!!!

[Andy Jick]

you should have seen my per 36 minutes stats in church league basketball...they had considered me for the heavenly hall of fame...

[Toine43]

And BTW, Davis has been hitting the jumper at much better rate in the last 10 games or so.  Is there anyway to look at a breakdown of those stats?

Go to hotspots and change the splits to the last 10 games. You could get the information that way.

Glen Davis has hit 7-17 from outside of 15 feet. That's 41%.

He is 2-7 on short jumpshots inside of 15 feet. Overall, that's 9-24 for 37.5%.

Even that number is very low, considering every one of his jumpers is an uncontested 15-18 footer. His release doesn't look that bad, he's simply not making his shots. So for now, as long as he's not going to make them, he shouldn't be taking them.

TP Roy for your post.

[ManUp]

Watching Davis I was coming to the conclusion he was almost as bad as Scal.

Although the numbers disagree, I still think Scal is a worse player.

In my opinion, Scal would look much worse if he got the consistent minutes Davis does.

[Toine43]

Watching Davis I was coming to the conclusion he was almost as bad as Scal.

Although the numbers disagree, I still think Scal is a worse player.

In my opinion, Scal would look much worse if he got the consistent minutes Davis does.

I don't know about this. Most likely, Scal's numbers have actually been deflated by his garbage time minutes. His play this season has been noticeably worse in garbage time compared to when the game is still competitive.


The major thing about Scal that irks fans is his poor rebounding numbers. His lack of offensive ability is acceptable because he doesn't mess anything up, and he's for the most part considered a positive force on defense. Therefore, if he's playing the 3, fans don't have much to complain about, because the rebounds aren't as important. And there's definitely room in the rotation for 10 minutes at the backup 3.

[wdleehi]

Watching Davis I was coming to the conclusion he was almost as bad as Scal.

Although the numbers disagree, I still think Scal is a worse player.

In my opinion, Scal would look much worse if he got the consistent minutes Davis does.

I don't know about this. Most likely, Scal's numbers have actually been deflated by his garbage time minutes. His play this season has been noticeably worse in garbage time compared to when the game is still competitive.


The major thing about Scal that irks fans is his poor rebounding numbers. His lack of offensive ability is acceptable because he doesn't mess anything up, and he's for the most part considered a positive force on defense. Therefore, if he's playing the 3, fans don't have much to complain about, because the rebounds aren't as important. And there's definitely room in the rotation for 10 minutes at the backup 3.

What most miss when looking at his lack of rebounds as a PF is that he does a really good job of keeping the man he is defending from grabbing the rebounds as well.


I like Scali as a role player.   10 minutes a game of smart team defense.  Good against teams that play a quicker PF.