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« on: January 09, 2009, 11:55:04 PM »

Offline dark_lord

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i have been scratching my head trying to get a real feel of what is going wrong with the celts.  turnovers, fatigue, bench, etc...all things that have been discussed here can be attributed.

one area i dont see discussed that COULD be a reason is this past offseason. 

-players were tired and banged up from a long and grueling playoff run and needed to rest their bodies, thus not working out the same way they normally would.

-a shorter offseason....self explanatory

- hunger?  could their have been a let down due to winning the title?  its completely understandable. u work so hard to achieve ur goal, u celebrate it, and ur hunger isnt the same due to accomplishing ur goal.  while we were justifiably celebrating, guys like lbj was working hard and hungry for the season to start due to his loss.

- lack of moves.  we lost key role players and made no additions that would improve our team, while other teams made some moves to improve their club.

these are just thoughts....feel free to discuss.




Re: offseason
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2009, 12:05:19 AM »

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The overall lack of things done this past offseason makes me think about this coming offseason.

I mean, we are defending champs so I don't blame Danny for not making any big moves.

But in terms of next offseason, so we don't have to start alllll over and end up being a crappy young team like the Thunder or the Bobcats when they first started out, we're gonna have to make some big trades.

I think that obviously starts with Ray Allen.  KG has the longest deal out of the big 3 so he won't go anywhere, Pierce I think is a lifer here so he's not going anywhere.  That leaves Ray.

It wouldn't shock me one bit to see Ray in a package with Big Baby or Leon (cause lets face, they're virtually the same player at the same position, we don't need both), Scal, maybe Giddens to bring in some young talent for the future.

Re: offseason
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2009, 12:07:38 AM »

Offline albas89

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I think hunger is what we're missing the most at the moment!! At least, it's what I can figure out... With 6 losses over the past 8 games, I'm sure that last year's team would win the Cavs tonight! Just remember the Texas-Triangle sweep last year, the energy, the hustle, everything... It's understandable for sure, the thing is that we, the fans, should understand that too and not expect a repeat this year...
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Re: offseason
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2009, 12:16:28 AM »

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the parallels from the 85-86 championship team to the 86-87 team to those of last year's and this year's team are ironic...

- the loss of bill walton via injury left a gaping hole on the celtics bench with regard to the backup center...today the celtics have no real backup center

- the loss of james posey could be paralleled somewhat to that of len bias...now, i'm not trying to exaggerate here, but the reality is that bias would have played, but probably not as much as we might think...posey's loss means the celtics lack that "power 3" who could play three positions, provide leadership, solid defense, and clutch shooting (much like bias would have done for the then big 3)

- the injury bug hit the celtics hard with mchale (foot) & parish (ankles) dealing with nagging injuries...it appears that something is wrong with KG and he's definitely not 100%

- the starters logged heavy minutes due to an incompetent bench...if things don't improve this season, the current celtics are likely to wear out due to the same problem with the current bench situation

- during the 86-87 season the celtics added front court depth in fred roberts and darren daye...roberts was not as bad as people made him out to be and daye probably saved the celtics season during the milwaukee series, especially the double-overtime win on the road (can't recall which game that was)...so the question is what will danny do to help fix this team, because as they are currently constituted, they won't win another title.  will history teach us anything?
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Re: offseason
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2009, 12:16:49 AM »

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The offseason is a good point, considering all of them had a ton of time off before last year
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Re: offseason
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2009, 12:21:35 AM »

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I think DA blew it this off season. We missed out on so many great players that we could've had 4 cheap. 2 players that comes to mind are BirdMan & Barnes. And BOB the big nothing, waste of space.

Re: offseason
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2009, 06:44:33 PM »

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I think DA blew it this off season. We missed out on so many great players that we could've had 4 cheap. 2 players that comes to mind are BirdMan & Barnes. And BOB the big nothing, waste of space.
i agree ainge dropped the ball this offseason.  while other teams improved their teams, we lost important pieces and did not replace them with players with similar skill sets

Re: offseason
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2009, 07:03:43 PM »

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I think DA blew it this off season. We missed out on so many great players that we could've had 4 cheap. 2 players that comes to mind are BirdMan & Barnes. And BOB the big nothing, waste of space.
i agree ainge dropped the ball this offseason.  while other teams improved their teams, we lost important pieces and did not replace them with players with similar skill sets

Barnes would've been nice, but there must have been some chemistry issue there.

Given his relatively cheap contract, as well as the ones given to Mo Evans and Najera, I'm really lost as to why Ainge didn't pursue those 3 players harder.  (and instead gave contracts to House/Allen)

Still doesn't fill the back up PG and big man gap, but we'd be a hell of a lot closer.
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Re: offseason
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2009, 07:53:14 PM »

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I don't know, I think it's a tough call on the lack of off season moves (which seem to be what most people think is the problem).

When you're the champs, do you really need to make yourself better?  I know you got to keep up with everyone else, but when you're already in the top spot, you theoretically can lose a little and still be ahead of everyone else.  Especially after the Pistons and Lakers series it looked like we were way ahead of everyone else. It's not like they didn't try to bring back Posey.

I think it could be realistic that you could go into this season without Posey and still be better than last year, especially when you have so many young players.  I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking, now that they've all played together for a year, have the championship experience, and the young guys have all seen what it takes and followed the vets example you could be coming in with an improved Rondo, Perk, Powe, Baby, Tony, and Pruitt, and hope their improvement is enough to offset the loss of Posey.  It's tough knowing going in and of course hindsight is 20-20.
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Re: offseason
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2009, 08:07:00 PM »

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While the Celtics did not want to overpay for Posey, they got only O'Bryant out of FA while resigning House and Tony Allen. This sounds like a ownership issue trying to minimize the luxery tax burden. You can argue that the Celtics really did not improve themselves this offseason personnel wise and are over-relying on the starting five being like the 80's starting five plus Tony Allen, House, Powe, and BBD being able to support the cause at critical times. Things looked great during the 19 game winning streak but the Celtics got scouted out and their opponents started out executing the Celtics. The losses to the Knicks and Bobcats were truly sickening. If we start dropping games to the Raptors and Nets I'd say we have issues.
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Re: offseason
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2009, 08:29:28 PM »

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We just have to face it, the city of Boston is not very desirable to NBA players. I can't think of the last great NBA player that signed here via FA. And I don't count Posey as a great player. And even he only signed a 1 year deal. So Danny and the boys will have to do it through the draft and with trades.

This leads to another problem, as great a 2nd round drafter as Danny is, you can't usually find all-star players in the second round. Usually you find guys with huge question marks. Lack of size, injuries, oversea contracts, or character issues is what you get.

And then there is the problem of of making trades. Usually you got to give up something to get something. And we don't want to trade anyone that another team wants. So what can Danny do? All hopes rest on players being bought out and wanting to sign with the C's for a chance to play in Boston for 5 months to win a title. 
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