The celtics are missing a leader

[celticmaestro]

No we're not. We have KG who is the most natural of leaders.

Nice to see you actually believe that propaganda
KG is not a leader, when he tries to be, he cusses, screams, scares and maybe even sucker punches his teammate....PJ brown is a better leader...KG is a front runner

Believing propaganda? Come again?

Garnett is a leader, on the defensive end he's the one pulling the strings and his persona is enough in itself to get the team together and work them up. He was the only one last night who tried, following a ferocious drive he pulled everyone in to a huddle and talked to everyone. No one responded, but there's only so much he can do.

But if you're not happy with KG then fair enough, who am I to argue? I mean, obviously PJ is a better leader. Maybe we should throw KG into trade discussions too?

Honestly, propaganda? Is he Hitler now? Has he advertised himself in this way? No, he hasn't. What you see is what you get and I know for sure that KG is the emotional and physical leader of this team, despite Pierce's status as captain.

[nickagneta]

The Celtics have a few leaders.

What they are missing is energy, focus, desire, intensity, and some pride.

[Tr1boy]

What they are missing is energy, focus, desire, intensity, and some pride.

A natural leader wouldn't let those things above dwindle away for too long. This streak right now is bad

how bad?? Ray Allen , KG and pierce remember played on brutal teams before and couldn't themselves really help their team as a whole get out of the hole completely.

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

No we're not. We have KG who is the most natural of leaders.

Nice to see you actually believe that propaganda
KG is not a leader, when he tries to be, he cusses, screams, scares and maybe even sucker punches his teammate....PJ brown is a better leader...KG is a front runner

Believing propaganda? Come again?

Garnett is a leader, on the defensive end he's the one pulling the strings and his persona is enough in itself to get the team together and work them up. He was the only one last night who tried, following a ferocious drive he pulled everyone in to a huddle and talked to everyone. No one responded, but there's only so much he can do.

But if you're not happy with KG then fair enough, who am I to argue? I mean, obviously PJ is a better leader. Maybe we should throw KG into trade discussions too?

Honestly, propaganda? Is he Hitler now? Has he advertised himself in this way? No, he hasn't. What you see is what you get and I know for sure that KG is the emotional and physical leader of this team, despite Pierce's status as captain.

I saw KG hanging his head in defeat on the bench after the 1st quarter, if thats a good leader, we might as well have kept Big AL...

[housecall]

Even though we are having problems with the bench not playing well and playing inconsistent night after night,our starters aren't playing consistent either.The Big 3 are turning into the Big 1 night after night.Only 1 will have a great game at a time lately,instead of all 3 having a monster night like last season.The Big 3 need to bring their A games all at the same time on the same night then maybe we will see a win soon.Last season we saw games where the Big 3 basically won games singlehandedly,or put the game out of reach for other teams to get back in them.Thats where the leadership has to begin,with the Big 3 setting the tone in games and bringing the win home.

[PSquared]

What they are missing is energy, focus, desire, intensity, and some pride.

A natural leader wouldn't let those things above dwindle away for too long. This streak right now is bad

how bad?? Ray Allen , KG and pierce remember played on brutal teams before and couldn't themselves really help their team as a whole get out of the hole completely.

But unlike Ray and KG, Pierce actually DID get his team out of the hole....The only thing is that he DID have a TRUE LEADER(at least an emotional one) to help him out during that time. 

Let's see : energy, focus, desire, intensity, and some pride.   If that doesn't sound like Toine, I don't know what does.   

This team needs a big kick in the azz right now to get going and expecting Posey to do that is absurd.  He is what he is and that is an awesome roleplayer who can play D, Hit 3's, and even p*** off the Chicago bulls at times.    KG is a Leader.....when he was with the Timberwolves.  After getting his ring, KG is not really interested in leading anyone but himself these days. 

celticmaestro wrote :

Garnett is a leader, on the defensive end he's the one pulling the strings and his persona is enough in itself to get the team together and work them up. He was the only one last night who tried, following a ferocious drive he pulled everyone in to a huddle and talked to everyone. No one responded, but there's only so much he can do.

If the players aren't responding to KG, then what does that tell you?  IT means that it may be time to get a new leader that can actually galavanize the team. 

Enough of this.  Ainge won't ever admit it but he needs you-know-who right now more than ever...especially if he wants any shot of re-energizing the team and repeating as champions this year.     

[Who]

KG is a good leader but I don't think he is a great one. I don't his actions have enough follow through (too many incidents of settling for jump shots, not being aggressive, not taking over).

I think the entire squad looks to Paul Pierce when the (1) team is in trouble (2) the pressure is truly on. He's the guy that everyone trusts to make the big plays and lead them to a victory.

That's fine too, about KG, there should be different types of leaders within a locker room and as long as their is some balance there (and there is) it will all work out good. He provides his type of leadership and the team needs that contribution.

[PSquared]

KG is a good leader but I don't think he is a great one. I don't his actions have enough follow through (too many incidents of settling for jump shots, not being aggressive, not taking over).

I think the entire squad looks to Paul Pierce when the (1) team is in trouble (2) the pressure is truly on. He's the guy that everyone trusts to make the big plays and lead them to a victory.

That's fine too, about KG, there should be different types of leaders within a locker room and as long as their is some balance there (and there is) it will all work out good. He provides his type of leadership and the team needs that contribution.

But the entire leadership shouldn't have to all fall squarely on Paul.   AS you said, there should be balance.  But right now, the team just won't listen to KG anymore....They listen to Paul 'cause he's been a Celtic for a long time, through the bad years to now.   They will also listen to another "former" celtic who was here even LONGER than Paul was, if he got a chance(which he won't....@!%^$@% Ainge)

[Who]

KG is a good leader but I don't think he is a great one. I don't his actions have enough follow through (too many incidents of settling for jump shots, not being aggressive, not taking over).

I think the entire squad looks to Paul Pierce when the (1) team is in trouble (2) the pressure is truly on. He's the guy that everyone trusts to make the big plays and lead them to a victory.

That's fine too, about KG, there should be different types of leaders within a locker room and as long as their is some balance there (and there is) it will all work out good. He provides his type of leadership and the team needs that contribution.

But the entire leadership shouldn't have to all fall squarely on Paul.   AS you said, there should be balance.  But right now, the team just won't listen to KG anymore....They listen to Paul 'cause he's been a Celtic for a long time, through the bad years to now.   They will also listen to another "former" celtic who was year even LONGER than Paul was, if he got a chance(which he won't....@!%^$@% Ainge)

I'd like to see Ray Allen step up more. He's clearly well respected by his teammates off the floor but it's amazing to me how many times his teammates (especially the bench players) ignore him when he's on the floor. I'd like to see Ray Allen create a bit more off the dribble like he did in Seattle and Milwaukee.

I think KG does enough to be the a good second act to Pierce in those tougher times. I'm fine with what he does. Obviously, I'd rather he'd do more (my posts in the past are fairly clear on that), but I think he does enough for the team to win a title.

More than anything, I think the bench needs a leader. Like most squads they're taking on the mentality of their best player(s) which in this case has been Tony Allen. I think that's a larger issue than leadership from the squad's top players.

[NoraG1]

No we're not. We have KG who is the most natural of leaders.

Nice to see you actually believe that propaganda.
KG is not a leader, when he tries to be, he cusses, screams, scares and maybe even sucker punches his teammate....PJ brown is a better leader...KG is a front runner

Believing propaganda? Come again?

Garnett is a leader, on the defensive end he's the one pulling the strings and his persona is enough in itself to get the team together and work them up. He was the only one last night who tried, following a ferocious drive he pulled everyone in to a huddle and talked to everyone. No one responded, but there's only so much he can do.

But if you're not happy with KG then fair enough, who am I to argue? I mean, obviously PJ is a better leader. Maybe we should throw KG into trade discussions too?

Honestly, propaganda? Is he Hitler now? Has he advertised himself in this way? No, he hasn't. What you see is what you get and I know for sure that KG is the emotional and physical leader of this team, despite Pierce's status as captain.

I saw KG hanging his head in defeat on the bench after the 1st quarter, if thats a good leader, we might as well have kept Big AL...

Yeah lets give back the title last year as well.  We get it you don't like KG.

[Tr1boy]

KG is a good leader but I don't think he is a great one. I don't his actions have enough follow through (too many incidents of settling for jump shots, not being aggressive, not taking over).

I think the entire squad looks to Paul Pierce when the (1) team is in trouble (2) the pressure is truly on. He's the guy that everyone trusts to make the big plays and lead them to a victory.

That's fine too, about KG, there should be different types of leaders within a locker room and as long as their is some balance there (and there is) it will all work out good. He provides his type of leadership and the team needs that contribution.

But the entire leadership shouldn't have to all fall squarely on Paul.   AS you said, there should be balance.  But right now, the team just won't listen to KG anymore....They listen to Paul 'cause he's been a Celtic for a long time, through the bad years to now.   They will also listen to another "former" celtic who was year even LONGER than Paul was, if he got a chance(which he won't....@!%^$@% Ainge)

I'd like to see Ray Allen step up more. He's clearly well respected by his teammates off the floor but it's amazing to me how many times his teammates (especially the bench players) ignore him when he's on the floor. I'd like to see Ray Allen create a bit more off the dribble like he did in Seattle and Milwaukee.

I think KG does enough to be the a good second act to Pierce in those tougher times. I'm fine with what he does. Obviously, I'd rather he'd do more (my posts in the past are fairly clear on that), but I think he does enough for the team to win a title.

More than anything, I think the bench needs a leader. Like most squads they're taking on the mentality of their best player(s) which in this case has been Tony Allen. I think that's a larger issue than leadership from the squad's top players.

The biggest knock on ray allen ever since his days with the huskies was that he wasn't aggressive enough and lacked the leadership skills to be truly dominant. He was considered to be the #1 pick that year but fell to the 5th. (still amazing)

Ray allen to me is 80 percent skills and 30 percent aggressive/leader


When he does become angry and aggressive instead of letting his play do that talking he takes in out on teammates and looks like an emotional mess.

In any case he is not perfect of course but i wished he had more urgency in his play and want to feel like he can dominate most of the leagues guard.

Kg feel he can dominate any pf(he usually can)

Pierce feel he is considered one of the best forwards in the league

All three need this cockyness back. We don't even talk trash anymore and even though that is not very sportsmenship like way to play, it drove the celtics team to near unbeatability

[Jaycelt]

This is just more of the same over reaction.

Was the team missing a leader when it was 27-2 and won 19 straight?

I think people are looking for answers and just throwing things out to see what sticks. 
Leadership is not a problem on this team and Posey was a great teammate but he he's not this magical basketball god that some people want to make him out to be.

Anyone who thinks Antoine or Marbury would be better leaders and be more respected than ANY of PGA is living in LaLa land.

[KCattheStripe]

Ray allen to me is 80 percent skills and 30 percent aggressive/leader

Ray Allen, giving it 110% since 1996.   

[MattG12]

Ray allen to me is 80 percent skills and 30 percent aggressive/leader

Ray Allen, giving it 110% since 1996.   

hahaha... tp

[NoraG1]

This is just more of the same over reaction.

Was the team missing a leader when it was 27-2 and won 19 straight?

I think people are looking for answers and just throwing things out to see what sticks. 
Leadership is not a problem on this team and Posey was a great teammate but he he's not this magical basketball god that some people want to make him out to be.

Anyone who thinks Antoine or Marbury would be better leaders and be more respected than ANY of PGA is living in LaLa land.

TP. I'm glad I am not alone on this. People seem to be making Posey out to be some kind of god that will solve every problem, it is over the top.