ok who's flip flopping on posey now?

[cornbreadsmart]

sorry to be THAT guy but c'mon!

[crownsy]

James posey would not cure our lack of a back up point guard doc trusts who can move the ball, no height off the bench at the 4 and 5, lack of a defensive center to back up perk,and lack of ball movement when the second unit is on the floor.

Having james back would be great, it would solve one of 4 glaring bench problems, but it wouldn't suddenly make us 32-2.

[BrickJames]

James posey would not cure our lack of a back up point guard doc trusts who can move the ball, no height off the bench at the 4 and 5, lack of a defensive center to back up perk,and lack of ball movement when the second unit is on the floor.

Having james back would be great, it would solve one of 4 glaring bench problems, but it wouldn't suddenly make us 32-2.

Maybe not, but it would make us a much, much better team.  And I'd feel a lot better about our chances in the playoffs.

Posey is a no-nonsense, scrappy, get-in-your-head type defender that we need.  Not a nonsense-talking, borderline tourette's sideshow that the league takes as a joke.

[KCattheStripe]

James posey would not cure our lack of a back up point guard doc trusts who can move the ball, no height off the bench at the 4 and 5, lack of a defensive center to back up perk,and lack of ball movement when the second unit is on the floor.

Having james back would be great, it would solve one of 4 glaring bench problems, but it wouldn't suddenly make us 32-2.

Maybe not, but it would make us a much, much better team.  And I'd feel a lot better about our chances in the playoffs.

Posey is a no-nonsense, scrappy, get-in-your-head type defender that we need.  Not a nonsense-talking, borderline tourette's sideshow that the league takes as a joke.

When did Deshawn Stevenson become a Celtic?

[TatteredOnMySleeve]

Anyone who still tries to act like Posey wouldnt make this team better....wait, i mean really? sorry but thats just not true, he made everyone on this team better, he was a special player, and is the still the most special role player in the league today....

[Toine43]

James posey would not cure our lack of a back up point guard doc trusts who can move the ball, no height off the bench at the 4 and 5, lack of a defensive center to back up perk,and lack of ball movement when the second unit is on the floor.

Having james back would be great, it would solve one of 4 glaring bench problems, but it wouldn't suddenly make us 32-2.

I don't disagree that what we're missing from Posey isn't our main problem, but he would sure be a huge help right now. There's something to be said for the stability the Posey brought us. If we had James Posey right now, there's no doubt that our record would be better. However, I think that you could insert a bunch of other names in place of James Posey in that last sentence, and the sentence would remain true. So if we make a couple of additions (that won't handcuff our salary cap situation in the future like Posey would have) later in the season, then I believe we'll be in a great postion to compete for a title once again. So no, even though he would help, I haven't flip flopped.

[Edgar]

James posey would not cure our lack of a back up point guard doc trusts who can move the ball, no height off the bench at the 4 and 5, lack of a defensive center to back up perk,and lack of ball movement when the second unit is on the floor.

Having james back would be great, it would solve one of 4 glaring bench problems, but it wouldn't suddenly make us 32-2.

I don't disagree that what we're missing from Posey isn't our main problem, but he would sure be a huge help right now. There's something to be said for the stability the Posey brought us. If we had James Posey right now, there's no doubt that our record would be better. However, I think that you could insert a bunch of other names in place of James Posey in that last sentence, and the sentence would remain true. So if we make a couple of additions (that won't handcuff our salary cap situation in the future like Posey would have) later in the season, then I believe we'll be in a great postion to compete for a title once again. So no, even though he would help, I haven't flip flopped.

just for the record..call last yeasr record and compare
I hate what doc is doing ( and danny) but be fair lets talk trade and sign dead line
we all knew we need something

[crownsy]

also, im not sure who your going to get to "flip flop" here. i can't remeber one poster that didnt want james back. the only division was weather he was worth it for how many years the hornets had to give.

But seriously, i can't remember one guy who went

"posey sucks, i don't want/need him back" i think we all realize he's a great bench player.

Im certainly not going to "flip flop" on my original decision that i wanted james back badly, but can see the business side of what happened as well.

[Toine43]

James posey would not cure our lack of a back up point guard doc trusts who can move the ball, no height off the bench at the 4 and 5, lack of a defensive center to back up perk,and lack of ball movement when the second unit is on the floor.

Having james back would be great, it would solve one of 4 glaring bench problems, but it wouldn't suddenly make us 32-2.

I don't disagree that what we're missing from Posey isn't our main problem, but he would sure be a huge help right now. There's something to be said for the stability the Posey brought us. If we had James Posey right now, there's no doubt that our record would be better. However, I think that you could insert a bunch of other names in place of James Posey in that last sentence, and the sentence would remain true. So if we make a couple of additions (that won't handcuff our salary cap situation in the future like Posey would have) later in the season, then I believe we'll be in a great postion to compete for a title once again. So no, even though he would help, I haven't flip flopped.

just for the record..call last yeasr record and compare
I hate what doc is doing ( and danny) but be fair lets talk trade and sign dead line
we all knew we need something

I don't think comparing last year's record at this point in the season to this year's would prove anything. Why? Because this team is different that last year's team. Yes, I know the names are the same (except for Posey), but Rondo is better, Perk has improved, Ray has overall been better this year, KG maybe a bit worse (not that I've lost confidence in him or anything).

To be honest though, I really don't have a stance on whether we should have re-signed Posey. The answer will come in the spring. If we fall short of a title, and I think James was the missing piece, then I'll wish we'd re-signed him, because a championship is more important than a little bit of cap flexibility. On the other hand, if we repeat, then I won't care that we didn't re-sign Posey. I know that's cheating, but it's really the only fair way to pass judgment on this.

[Scalablob990]

They are physically and mentally drained. When they decide to wake up again they will be hungry for Laker flesh and anything else in there way. As Dent said in Dark Knight "The night is always darkest before the dawn"

[MBz]

Remember guys, he was a role player.  A [dang] good one, but he's not making this team much better.  The team as a whole have not been playing as well as they should be lately.  Posey might give us 1-2 more wins, but he wouldn't make a huge change.  I believe the Celtics have currently played the most games in the league so far.  For an older team, that makes an issue.  Towards the end of the season, we'll be getting a little more rest for the guys, and hopefully it helps out.

[Norcalceltic]

Everyone loved Posey, and we wanted Him back. But from a business stand point it didn't work out. Would He have made our team better? Of course He would. But He isn't here. We need to worry about the Guys we have. James Posey isn't walking through that Door Fans.

The one move that irks me is the O'Bryant signing. If He's not ready, and your not going to play Him, why sign Him? We couldn't find a guy over 6'7" to be our backup Center with some NBA experiance? Also, a lot of Fans are talking about how the Team is tired. Well, if the Team's tired, give the younger guys some run.

[Steve Weinman]

James posey would not cure our lack of a back up point guard doc trusts who can move the ball, no height off the bench at the 4 and 5, lack of a defensive center to back up perk,and lack of ball movement when the second unit is on the floor.

Having james back would be great, it would solve one of 4 glaring bench problems, but it wouldn't suddenly make us 32-2.

Maybe not, but it would make us a much, much better team.  And I'd feel a lot better about our chances in the playoffs.

Posey is a no-nonsense, scrappy, get-in-your-head type defender that we need.  Not a nonsense-talking, borderline tourette's sideshow that the league takes as a joke.

When did Deshawn Stevenson become a Celtic?

A rare spot of amusement over a tough couple of days for Celts fans.  Thanks, KC.

-sw

[CoachBo]

It's hardly surprising to find that no one in this thread has accurately surmised what Posey brought to the 07 bench. There's never been a clear understanding on this board of the value of a player who combines several of the skillsets a championship bench has to have: length at the wing, basketball smarts, outside shooting, defense, effort, the enforcer, etc.

All in one player package. Those players don't grow on trees - and it's no coincidence that Posey's teams generally win.

By this point, I've given up on trying to explain the concept of bench versatility. The people who want to get it, get it. Those who don't, don't.

Doesn't change the fact that Ainge and Wyc screwed up big-time with Posey. The idea that Tony Allen would ever approximate that versatility is just laughable.

Perhaps it's time to consider the notion that one title was enough for ownership. Maybe they'd prefer saving a few dollars here and there to making a serious title run. Wouldn't be the first time that a professional franchise pulled that kind of wool over its fans' eyes.

The answer to that one should come fairly soon: If they proceed with this train-wreck of a bench, then I'm going to conclude that one title was enough. If they try to correct the mess Danny's made, then the notion's probably off-base.

The pressure's on Wyc and Danny now, for sure.

[dark_lord]

sorry to be THAT guy but c'mon!

i dont think there was anyone who didnt want posey back.  the only debate was the number of yrs to sign him at.