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Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2008, 12:08:16 PM »

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i really don't get the dominique wilkins thinking here...he was washed up by the time he got here, played nothing like the celtics style of basketball, and ended up heading off to greece.

it was a ploy by m.l. carr and should have never been done.  wilkins and xavier mcdaniel never clicked (well, mcdaniel himself never clicked) and wilkins was a part of a playoff team that had no chance (although orlando was given a little more than they wanted).  but this move had no bearing on developing a team for the future.

the celtics were a reeling franchise at that time, and had just suffered the losses of reggie lewis, larry bird, kevin mchale and robert parish...they swapped point guards (shaw for douglas) and also started handing out long-term deals to average players.  when wilkins signed i shook my head in disbelief because he was the last thing this franchise needed.

I honestly though when X-man signed, he'd go back to his former All-Star numbers. I was also nine.. Though, his first season in Boston, if I recall correctly was pretty decent.

I loved the X-Man

chris ford never used him properly...ford's problem as a coach was his "dog house" - i know he wanted to put his foot down and show people he was the boss, but he unfairly put guys down at times and his rotations were based (so it seemed) on his mood that day.

x-man got screwed a bit by this, and when it was stated that the celtics only signed him to keep him away from the knicks, there was a part of me that truly believed that.

I'll always have a soft spot for X-Man.  I made my way into Celtics Media Day the year he came and got to interview all of the Celtics.  He was easily the nicest guy I talked with - really funny.
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Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2008, 12:22:23 PM »

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I had the X-man's sig. shoes as a young gun. Haha.

Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2008, 01:31:02 PM »

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Definitely it appears no major FA signings, but I think one thing to consider is the evolution of the FA process over the years.

I believe Tom Chambers was the first ever unrestricted free agent in NBA history when he signed with the Suns in the summer of '88 (source: http://www.nba.com/suns/history/chambers_93.html).  So up till the early 90's the FA process was still very young and the C's were a championship contender with a high payroll so no major FA signings were needed.  Once that team really fell apart after '93 (when McHale retired and Lewis died) they had a bad year, but then did make a few semi-significant FA signings (Wilkins, Never Nervous Pervis, Dana Barros, Chris Mills) in the next couple of years.  Those guys are probably the more recent equivalent signings of Karl Malone/Gary Payton by the Lakers (Nique), Mike James for something like $30M by the TWolves (Barros),  Jerome James by the Knicks (Pervis), and maybe Ryan Gomes re-signing with the TWolves (Chris Mills).  Hindsight shows how those turned out, but all were somewhat sought after free agents, probably in that middle tier of available players, and alot of GM's had optimistic views on those players worth.  Barros was coming off an All-Star year too, so that was a big deal, that was just his first All-Star appearance, why wouldn't anyone think there would be more? 

The FA landscape probably had it's first huge market in '96 when guys like Shaq, Mutumbo, Larry Johnson, Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, Juwan Howard were all FA's.  During that time we sucked and didn't really have cap room (due to the aforementioned signings) to land a big name guy.  And ever since then we still sucked, showed no direction, and when we did have some brief success in the early 2000's we had no cap room (due to no direction again).

So from when the FA market really heated up in the mid 90's to now, we pretty much always sucked and showed no direction so who would want to come here?  I think things will be different in the early 2010's when guys like Allen, Garnett, Pierce retire/sign lesser contracts and we may actually have some cap room.  FA's may believe in Danny and be willing to sign here because they think we could be winners.  I think overall the current FA market is more of a recent phenomenon in the NBA (over the last 12 years really), and how many teams have actually made significant FA signings over the years? (That's not rhetorical, I really have no idea, just kind of wondering out loud.)
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Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2008, 01:43:47 PM »

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Easy ones!

Don Nelson, Posey, and House. The rest really didn't add much value. Nelson was a double digit scorer and decent rebounder for many years.  You can argue Posey was absolutely crucial in last years title. House I believe will prove to be crucial in this years!

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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2008, 02:21:36 PM »

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Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2008, 02:24:12 PM »

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Definitely it appears no major FA signings, but I think one thing to consider is the evolution of the FA process over the years.

I believe Tom Chambers was the first ever unrestricted free agent in NBA history when he signed with the Suns in the summer of '88 (source: http://www.nba.com/suns/history/chambers_93.html).  So up till the early 90's the FA process was still very young and the C's were a championship contender with a high payroll so no major FA signings were needed.  Once that team really fell apart after '93 (when McHale retired and Lewis died) they had a bad year, but then did make a few semi-significant FA signings (Wilkins, Never Nervous Pervis, Dana Barros, Chris Mills) in the next couple of years.  Those guys are probably the more recent equivalent signings of Karl Malone/Gary Payton by the Lakers (Nique), Mike James for something like $30M by the TWolves (Barros),  Jerome James by the Knicks (Pervis), and maybe Ryan Gomes re-signing with the TWolves (Chris Mills).  Hindsight shows how those turned out, but all were somewhat sought after free agents, probably in that middle tier of available players, and alot of GM's had optimistic views on those players worth.  Barros was coming off an All-Star year too, so that was a big deal, that was just his first All-Star appearance, why wouldn't anyone think there would be more? 

The FA landscape probably had it's first huge market in '96 when guys like Shaq, Mutumbo, Larry Johnson, Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, Juwan Howard were all FA's.  During that time we sucked and didn't really have cap room (due to the aforementioned signings) to land a big name guy.  And ever since then we still sucked, showed no direction, and when we did have some brief success in the early 2000's we had no cap room (due to no direction again).

So from when the FA market really heated up in the mid 90's to now, we pretty much always sucked and showed no direction so who would want to come here?  I think things will be different in the early 2010's when guys like Allen, Garnett, Pierce retire/sign lesser contracts and we may actually have some cap room.  FA's may believe in Danny and be willing to sign here because they think we could be winners.  I think overall the current FA market is more of a recent phenomenon in the NBA (over the last 12 years really), and how many teams have actually made significant FA signings over the years? (That's not rhetorical, I really have no idea, just kind of wondering out loud.)

Nice breakdown BDM
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Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2008, 05:12:58 PM »

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How did Scotty Wedman come to the team?
and imo xavier mcdaniel was a good player for the c's when things were pretty bad

Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2008, 05:20:04 PM »

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Found my own answer, Wedman was traded for darren tillis and a draft pick.
But did find out that david wesley was a free agent signing.  And a good one, too bad pitino was around  :'(

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« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2008, 05:54:33 PM »

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Pete Maravich...even though he only played preseason? 

Or what about Jerry Sichting? I don't know how they got him, but he was a reserve on the 85-86 team.

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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2008, 06:15:35 PM »

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wasn't paul silas a free agent signing? if he was mine will be:

1. Don Nelson
2. Paul Silas
3. James Posey

if not....

1. Don Nelson
2.
3. James Posey


no disrespect to pose, theres just gotta be someone else.

Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2008, 07:44:13 PM »

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Didn't know if you guys were aware of this site, but wanted to share it...has EVERY NBA transaction ever:

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/Search.php

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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2008, 07:45:55 PM »

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Didn't know if you guys were aware of this site, but wanted to share it...has EVERY NBA transaction ever:

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/Search.php

(I can read this stuff for hours as I'm an NBA history junkie).

Wow...that's a bookmark

Thanks

I've become obsessed w/ basketballreference.com
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Re: Best Celtics Free Agent Signing Historically
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2008, 07:49:22 PM »

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yeah, Redz, i use that site a lot too...
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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2008, 10:56:57 PM »

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x-man, pj brown, eddie house. To think of it there aren't many big name guys we have signed from FA. Most great celtics were brought up through the system via draft

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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2008, 10:58:30 PM »

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Didn't know if you guys were aware of this site, but wanted to share it...has EVERY NBA transaction ever:

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/Search.php

(I can read this stuff for hours as I'm an NBA history junkie).

TP for the GEM of a link
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