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Celts/Cavs/Lakers
« on: December 10, 2008, 07:14:44 PM »

Offline sinbad

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My opinion on the three teams:

LA Lakers-We have already seen the best of them..which is really, really good.

Strengths-They're offense is the most consistent in the NBA. They have the best "shot-maker" in the game (I love PP but trying to be unbiased here). Bynum IMO is already the 3rd most talented center in the NBA behind Howard and Yao. He has the back to the basket game, he has a nice soft touch, and has great hands. He is also a decent passer out of the low post. Defensively he is a presence both at blocking/altering shots and defensive rebounding. He should be getting 15 shots a game. Huge frontline gives them many options in the post.

Weakness: Not necessarily playing weak teams but the schedule is structured for their benefit. Only three back-to-backs compared to 6 for the Celts. They have had more practice time then the the Cavs and the Celts which allows them to be fresher and more prepared. Defense is inconsistent and gambles to much. They have the horses to play great d but not the discipline and knowledge. Psychologically, this team is nowhere near as tough as the Celtics or the Cavs. This is still, Kobe's team and everything at least starts with him. It seems that Bynum, Gasol, and Odom are followers and not leaders.

Verdict: At their best, the Lakers can beat anyone in a 7 game series...yes, even our Celtics. However, at their worst, they could lose to a number of teams as well. Their inconsistency is maddening if I were a Laker fan. That being said, I don't see anyone beating the Lakers in a 7 game series in the West. Home court is crucial for the Lakers considering their fragile psyche. I just can't see this team being able to come back from an 0-2 hole in the finals.

Cavs: This is the team that I fear the most. I'm trying to find chinks in their armor and just can't find many at this point.

Strengths: They have the most valuable player in the game. No one this year makes his team better offensively than Lebron. You have to help on him and he is such a good passer that he makes everyone look better than they really are. They pack the middle defensively which allows them to get a high percentage of defensive rebounds. Ilgauskas is money from 15 feet in and at 7'3" is a mismatch for most centers

Weaknesses: Make Lebron work defensively and you have a chance.  Slow the game down on your terms and they become vulnerable. Pace is what makes the Cavs team click offensively. Shooters need volume to get into a rhythm. Less shots usually means Lebron getting a higher percentage of the shots taken. This makes the Cavs revert to the offensive team they were the last couple of years. A team with a good shooting big man will give the Cavs problems. 2 of the Cavs losses came to Detroit and Boston. Wallace and KG relieves the congestion in the middle allowing for offensive rebounds and the wing players/cutters to attack the middle in pick and roll.

Verdict: Lebron has proved that he can carry a team to the finals. The biggest advantage that the Cavs have is that they can play Lebron all 48 minutes if need be. He's alot like Shaq in his prime in that he just wears you down during the course of a game and a series. I worry that without Posey, Pierce will have to burden the load himself. The 2 Allens are too small to handle a 6-9 260 SF, Powe, Scalabrine are way too slow. Guarding Lebron may take away from Pierce's offensive game and get him in foul trouble. The Cavs way of thinking in last years series was simple, since Pierce would have to guard Lebron, it may take away from his offensive game so lets concentrate on stopping Ray this leaves only one of the big 3 to hurt us offensively. Slowing down 2 of the big 3 gives you a shot against the Celtics.

Celtics: This team has the best combination of talent, mental toughness, leadership, focus, and execution among the 3 teams.

Strengths: Defensively unbelievable. Defensive rotations are seamless. KG absolutely destroys the pick and roll. Boston has three layers of offense that is unmatched with KG in the post (when he decides to go inside), Pierce in the mid-range, and Ray on the perimeter. Teams can't help off any of these guys so Rondo and Perk become the beneficiaries. Both are not what you would call great shooters yet each are shooting at a very high percentage at their positions. Pierce puts so much pressure on a defense. Outside of Lebron, there is no one who gets to the line as consistently as PP. Most players when hit driving to the basket will bounce off the defender, PP on the other hand will just "absorb" the guy. Best starting 5 in the game today. All the starters are "quality starters". Arguably, KG is the best PF, Pierce is the 2nd best SF, Ray right now is among the top 5 SGs, Rondo may be the best PG in the East and in the top 7-8 overall, and Perk is in the top 15 amongst centers.

Weaknesses: Not much versatility in the bench. A SF with size is needed to relieve Pierce, length is needed in the frontcourt. Getting PJ Brown back will be a big help

Verdict: No team is more psychologically prepared then the Celtics. They are a focused bunch. Not many teams can play with both focus and intensity. The Lakers are an example of a team that I believe plays with intensity but loses focus at times. The synergy that this Celtic team has is one of its greatest assets.

Prediction: I think whoever gets home court wins it all. This is why each game is crucial. For this reason, I think each of the three teams will win 60+ games especially in a year where there are so many bad teams.

Re: Celts/Cavs/Lakers
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 01:12:41 PM »

Offline TatteredOnMySleeve

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Kobe the best shot maker in the league? i actually see him as an eratic jump shooter similar to Tmac to be honest...always been overrated.
No need to worry about the west at all right now IMO, who cares? If we get to the finals and the Lakers are there, then maybe  they  will be relevant, until then the cavs are really the only team I'm worried about
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 06:31:13 PM »

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wow. what an awesome original post. great breakdown. the cavs (as of right now) scare me a wee bit more than the lakers. once  they bring in that other star..yikes. the bad part of the lakers losing (imo) is they WILL deal odom. they HAVE to see it's needed. i think the lakers would be much better with  either marion or vince carter. carter takes a lot of crap(most deserved) but you know he'd all of a sudden play the defense of his life if he ended up in l.a. both carter and marion would make perfect lakers in my opinion. kirilenko would make a great laker too. so at least while they are most likely improving they'll be bringing someone in that's  also worthy of some good sports hate.

Re: Celts/Cavs/Lakers
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 06:55:55 PM »

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Carter hasn't played D in his 10 NBA seasons, a move to LA will not change that.

Re: Celts/Cavs/Lakers
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 07:01:46 PM »

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Wow great post. Anyways their a couple things missing

Bynum is only 21 so he will improve and make the Lakers stronger

The celtics defense has had mishaps against Indiana and Milwaukee. Rondo is good but he hasn't peaked in his consistency. If he plays 100% at his peak in a 7 game series this year the championship is for the celtics to tkae

Cleveland maybe the best team in the NBA. Don't play down to the level of competition. But lets see if Lebron can drive against the celtics in the playoffs.

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 07:03:00 PM »

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Carter hasn't played D in his 10 NBA seasons, a move to LA will not change that.

Yup.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 07:34:20 PM »

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I'm nitpicking a little bit, but I'd take Biedrins over Bynum right now.

Re: Celts/Cavs/Lakers
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 11:19:54 PM »

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The Lakers have a boatload of talent, so there's no reason why they couldn't take us down in a series, but I still think we're the favorite in a potential finals matchup. My prediction if it got to that point would be another Cs title. We saw what happened last year, and I don't see any reason why things are going to change next time around. The Celtics are the stronger team mentally, regardless of the extra ambition that the Lakers are going to claim to have after losing to us last year, and the Celtics are still the better defensive team. I'm not one of those people who thinks Bynum is going to push the Lakers over the top, either. I still think our Cs are better.

As far as the Cavs go, it's all about defending Lebron. You know that if you can contain him you're probably going to win. At least, that's the way it was in the past. I don't buy that losing Posey is a big deal in terms of our approach against Lebron. Posey could not guard Lebron, and neither can anyone on this year's Celtics. It's the team defense that did it for us, in general, and especially against Lebron. You neutralize him, and you hope that his teammates don't burn you. This year they do have Mo Williams, but keep in mind one of the best players for Cavs in the series last year was Joe Smith. Not only is he not suiting up for Cleveland this time around, but there's a fair chance he'll be wearing green.

I said it from day 1, and I'm even more convinced now that I see how well Ray Ray's playing. Banner 18 will be raised to the rafters next fall.


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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 11:26:09 PM »

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I would like to see Cleveland play some teams with winning records before drawing any conclusions.

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 08:44:09 AM »

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I don't see how we beat Cleveland this year unless Danny makes a move to bolster our bench. I think that they have recipe to beat us. I understimated how much Mo Williams would help them I think. I like our chances against any other team - even the Lakers.

The Mix of BIGGER BIGS (Don't understimate the 7'3" Z he makes Perkins look short), great shooters (forget "shooting percentages" they have guys that nail open Js and are quick to get to spots) and Lebron as a facilitator you have to double looks pretty unbeatable..

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 01:15:38 PM »

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I would like to see Cleveland play some teams with winning records before drawing any conclusions.

Only 3 good quality wins for the Cavs so far.

Dallas by 19
Denver by 11 (the night before Denver beat the Celtics in Boston)
Utah by 12 (although Deron wasn't playing)

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 01:19:36 PM »

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I would like to see Cleveland play some teams with winning records before drawing any conclusions.

Only 3 good quality wins for the Cavs so far.

Dallas by 19
Denver by 11 (the night before Denver beat the Celtics in Boston)
Utah by 12 (although Deron wasn't playing)


yea but utah was hurt (no boozer either). The denver and dallas wins are impressive.

I'm intruiged by the cavs so far, but not sold. once they go through thier tough streak, if they come out of that hot, then I'll buy in.

They are still, obvioulsy, our main competition in the east, I just don't buy the "lebron has figured it out!!!! 65-70 wins for the cavs!!!!" hype the world wide leader is pushing.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 01:36:56 PM »

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It's not Celts/Cavs/Lakers.
It's:

Celts











Cavs
Lakers

 ;)

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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 03:56:15 PM »

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I would like to see Cleveland play some teams with winning records before drawing any conclusions.

Only 3 good quality wins for the Cavs so far.

Dallas by 19
Denver by 11 (the night before Denver beat the Celtics in Boston)
Utah by 12 (although Deron wasn't playing)


I would also add that Dallas was in the middle of losing 7 of 9 games, when they lost to Cleveland...it was before they hit their stride.  Also, Utah was missing Deron AND Okur. 

I think this is something that can't be overlooked.  I give the Cavs a ton of credit for beating the teams they are supposed to beat (handily at that), but we have yet to see them show that they are going to be able to beat the elite teams in the league consistently (although the scheduling is not their fault).



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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 04:02:08 PM »

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I would like to see Cleveland play some teams with winning records before drawing any conclusions.

Only 3 good quality wins for the Cavs so far.

Dallas by 19
Denver by 11 (the night before Denver beat the Celtics in Boston)
Utah by 12 (although Deron wasn't playing)


I would also add that Dallas was in the middle of losing 7 of 9 games, when they lost to Cleveland...it was before they hit their stride.  Also, Utah was missing Deron AND Okur. 

I think this is something that can't be overlooked.  I give the Cavs a ton of credit for beating the teams they are supposed to beat (handily at that), but we have yet to see them show that they are going to be able to beat the elite teams in the league consistently (although the scheduling is not their fault).


The game that sticks out to me is Denver.  Cavs take care of them at home on the front end of a back to back for Denver.  Then Denver travels to play a rested Boston in Boston the next night and beats Boston by 9.  What happened there?  :)

Oh and I dont even watch ESPN anymore.  All they do is over hype and over dramatize over there.  I just want to talk sports