Sox sign Pedroia to 6 year extension

[Nerf DPOY]

Don't hope for youk to be as generous and i expect he will at least ask the redsox for 10 million per season and outside bidders starting at 12

I'm not sure what you mean by "outside bidders". Are you talking about the 2010 off-season?

 The Youk situation is very uncertain at this point regarding and extension  considering all the factors like

He may have peaked and will be in decline in a few years

He'll do okay these two arb years anyway, and might be willing to wait to hit the market

The Sox have no immediate replacement at 3rd on the horizon

In 2011, he'll be 32

It's hard to forecast what will happen regarding Youk, as I have no idea how either side of the negotiations feel or will feel in 1-2 years.

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

TREMENDOUS DEAL! What's the market like for 25 year old second basement with a .313 career average, a World Series ring, Gold Glove caliber defense, not to mention an AL MVP award.

Think it's a little more then $6.67 million a year? Ask any of the following players, all of whom are making over DOUBLE Pedroia's salary.

Troy Glaus
Barry Zito
Mark Buerhle
Pat Burrell
Andruw Jones
Miguel Tejada
Richie Sexson
Tim Hudson
Jim Thome
Mike Hampton
Rafael Furcal
Carlos Delgado

The list goes on... Incredible deal for the Sox the money is really really small compared to what he could have gotten.

He was four years from free agency, so there is no market. He couldn't have gotten deals like these guys because it's structured. But it's still a good deal.

I understand how all that stuff works, but I'm still just saying he was due for a MAJOR payday when he became eligible for free agency. The Sox are getting him at quite a bargain compared with what others are getting with similar and even less skill sets.

My argument is largely predicated upon Pedroia continuing to play at a very high level, which I think he will. If Pedroia continues his performance, especially past where he would have been a free agent, it's still a major coup for the Sox. I should have clarified earlier of course... Point taken

[fatherscott]

TREMENDOUS DEAL! What's the market like for 25 year old second basement with a .313 career average, a World Series ring, Gold Glove caliber defense, not to mention an AL MVP award.

Think it's a little more then $6.67 million a year? Ask any of the following players, all of whom are making over DOUBLE Pedroia's salary.

Troy Glaus
Barry Zito
Mark Buerhle
Pat Burrell
Andruw Jones
Miguel Tejada
Richie Sexson
Tim Hudson
Jim Thome
Mike Hampton
Rafael Furcal
Carlos Delgado

The list goes on... Incredible deal for the Sox the money is really really small compared to what he could have gotten.

He was four years from free agency, so there is no market. He couldn't have gotten deals like these guys because it's structured. But it's still a good deal.

I understand how all that stuff works, but I'm still just saying he was due for a MAJOR payday when he became eligible for free agency. The Sox are getting him at quite a bargain compared with what others are getting with similar and even less skill sets.

My argument is largely predicated upon Pedroia continuing to play at a very high level, which I think he will. If Pedroia continues his performance, especially past where he would have been a free agent, it's still a major coup for the Sox. I should have clarified earlier of course... Point taken

I couldn't quite tell, so I thought I'd just clarify in case anybody didn't follow the contract side of baseball that well. It's amazing how weird the payscale is, isn't it? Free agent deals are insane--you can see why the Sox shifted their focus to bringing kids along!

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

TREMENDOUS DEAL! What's the market like for 25 year old second basement with a .313 career average, a World Series ring, Gold Glove caliber defense, not to mention an AL MVP award.

Think it's a little more then $6.67 million a year? Ask any of the following players, all of whom are making over DOUBLE Pedroia's salary.

Troy Glaus
Barry Zito
Mark Buerhle
Pat Burrell
Andruw Jones
Miguel Tejada
Richie Sexson
Tim Hudson
Jim Thome
Mike Hampton
Rafael Furcal
Carlos Delgado

The list goes on... Incredible deal for the Sox the money is really really small compared to what he could have gotten.

He was four years from free agency, so there is no market. He couldn't have gotten deals like these guys because it's structured. But it's still a good deal.

I understand how all that stuff works, but I'm still just saying he was due for a MAJOR payday when he became eligible for free agency. The Sox are getting him at quite a bargain compared with what others are getting with similar and even less skill sets.

My argument is largely predicated upon Pedroia continuing to play at a very high level, which I think he will. If Pedroia continues his performance, especially past where he would have been a free agent, it's still a major coup for the Sox. I should have clarified earlier of course... Point taken

I couldn't quite tell, so I thought I'd just clarify in case anybody didn't follow the contract side of baseball that well. It's amazing how weird the payscale is, isn't it? Free agent deals are insane--you can see why the Sox shifted their focus to bringing kids along!

Definitely... Teams are going to look to do this more often now, especially with the Longoria and Pedroia success stories and the manner in which they have signed extensions. It's kind of like the paradigm shift in the NBA where most of the teams, not just the championship ones, now are starting to embrace the revolutionary concept of team defense in building franchises.

[fatherscott]

TREMENDOUS DEAL! What's the market like for 25 year old second basement with a .313 career average, a World Series ring, Gold Glove caliber defense, not to mention an AL MVP award.

Think it's a little more then $6.67 million a year? Ask any of the following players, all of whom are making over DOUBLE Pedroia's salary.

Troy Glaus
Barry Zito
Mark Buerhle
Pat Burrell
Andruw Jones
Miguel Tejada
Richie Sexson
Tim Hudson
Jim Thome
Mike Hampton
Rafael Furcal
Carlos Delgado

The list goes on... Incredible deal for the Sox the money is really really small compared to what he could have gotten.

He was four years from free agency, so there is no market. He couldn't have gotten deals like these guys because it's structured. But it's still a good deal.

I understand how all that stuff works, but I'm still just saying he was due for a MAJOR payday when he became eligible for free agency. The Sox are getting him at quite a bargain compared with what others are getting with similar and even less skill sets.

My argument is largely predicated upon Pedroia continuing to play at a very high level, which I think he will. If Pedroia continues his performance, especially past where he would have been a free agent, it's still a major coup for the Sox. I should have clarified earlier of course... Point taken

I couldn't quite tell, so I thought I'd just clarify in case anybody didn't follow the contract side of baseball that well. It's amazing how weird the payscale is, isn't it? Free agent deals are insane--you can see why the Sox shifted their focus to bringing kids along!

Definitely... Teams are going to look to do this more often now, especially with the Longoria and Pedroia success stories and the manner in which they have signed extensions. It's kind of like the paradigm shift in the NBA where most of the teams, not just the championship ones, now are starting to embrace the revolutionary concept of team defense in building franchises.

Right. I think the NBA equivalent situation is overusing the MLE and other sort of mid-level contracts (if only in number and not actual MLEs). Rookie deals are structured, so you can only be judged on talent eval. Big-time free agent deals are rarely busts unless they're injury-related. You really kill your cap space with the Adonal Foyle/Jerome James/Luke Walton kinds of deals. Posey might be looked at the same way in a couple of years, sort of how Finley and Stackhouse have petered out. You can usually fill those spaces with kids (if you're rebuilding) or minimum vets (if you're contending).

[Tr1boy]

Can someone clarify exactly how long a team has control of a player they draft??

I know hanley ramirez is excluded from this control because the redsox gave him and he became like a free agent with the marlins. (thats y prob he also got a bigger deal for 6 years)

Is it till a player is like 26 or 27??

[Chris]

Can someone clarify exactly how long a team has control of a player they draft??

I know hanley ramirez is excluded from this control because the redsox gave him and he became like a free agent with the marlins. (thats y prob he also got a bigger deal for 6 years)

Is it till a player is like 26 or 27??

Has nothing to do with age.  The basic rule is they are under the teams control for their first 6 years of major league service.  The first 3 years, they are completely at the mercy of the team, and the 3 years after that they are eligible for arbitration. 

I am not sure what you are talking about with Hanley Ramirez though.  His "clock" did not start until he was on the Marlins Roster.  Currently he has 3 years of experience, and would therefore be eligible for arbitration, but would not be a free agent for at least another 3 years if he didn't sign the extension.

[Nerf DPOY]

Can someone clarify exactly how long a team has control of a player they draft??

I know hanley ramirez is excluded from this control because the redsox gave him and he became like a free agent with the marlins. (thats y prob he also got a bigger deal for 6 years)

Is it till a player is like 26 or 27??

Has nothing to do with age.  The basic rule is they are under the teams control for their first 6 years of major league service.  The first 3 years, they are completely at the mercy of the team, and the 3 years after that they are eligible for arbitration. 

I am not sure what you are talking about with Hanley Ramirez though.  His "clock" did not start until he was on the Marlins Roster.  Currently he has 3 years of experience, and is therefore eligible for arbitration, but will not be a free agent for at least another 3 years.

Hanley got locked up by Florida earlier this year extending through 2014. 6yrs/70 mil.

[yall hate]

I know hanley ramirez is excluded from this control because the redsox gave him and he became like a free agent with the marlins. (thats y prob he also got a bigger deal for 6 years)

Hanley got a bigger deal because Hanley is MUCH better then Pedroia.  I like Pedroia and all, but Hanley is significantly better.

[MBz]

Hanley got a bigger deal because Hanley is MUCH better then Pedroia.  I like Pedroia and all, but Hanley is significantly better.

Truth, Hanley Ramirez may very well be the best all around player in the game right now.  I can't wait to watch him when he's reached his potential, kid is going to be quite special.

[Chris]

Hanley got a bigger deal because Hanley is MUCH better then Pedroia.  I like Pedroia and all, but Hanley is significantly better.

Truth, Hanley Ramirez may very well be the best all around player in the game right now.  I can't wait to watch him when he's reached his potential, kid is going to be quite special.

And I still would do the deal for Beckett and Lowell over and over again. 

Has there ever been a trade that worked out so well for all party's involved?  It even worked out for the players, since Lowell and Beckett got to win the World Series and rejuvenate their careers, and Ramirez got to the majors at least a year earlier than he likely would have in Boston.