Red Sox trading CoCo?

[Gomesfan]

I heard a rumor that the sox will be trading CoCo for Khalil Greene. The guy bats 213
35 rbi and a 260 obps. in a 105 games. I would think we would get more for CoCo.
Make any sense to you guys?
 

[Jeff]

for what it is worth, someone just posted this on the SOSH board

EEI is likely getting that from here:

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San Diego is shopping ace Jake Peavy, but in trying to get their payroll down, they’ve also hinted that shortstop Khalil Green is available. Boston is offering the services of outfielder Coco Crisp.

sounds like someone on WEEI is mashing two rumors together

why would we want another SS anyway?

[Gomesfan]

You got me? You think we would try to package Lowell with Coco for a SS if we land Tex.

[Vermont Green]

He had a down year last year, he is a much better player than those stats imply.  I am not sure if he was injured or what.  I think it is pretty obvious that we could use an upgrade at SS.  Jed is fine but probably better as a utility infielder for the next year or so and I don't think Julio is coming back.  I think this is a good trade.

[Chris]

I heard a rumor that the sox will be trading CoCo for Khalil Greene. The guy bats 213
35 rbi and a 260 obps. in a 105 games. I would think we would get more for CoCo.
Make any sense to you guys?
 

Those stats are not a good measure of how good he is.  He was playing with an injured wrist for most of last year.

The year before last he hit 27 home runs and had 97 RBIs.  He doesn't hit for a high average or anything, but he is a very good player.  I doubt we would be able to do much better for Coco.

[Chris]

for what it is worth, someone just posted this on the SOSH board

EEI is likely getting that from here:

Link

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San Diego is shopping ace Jake Peavy, but in trying to get their payroll down, they’ve also hinted that shortstop Khalil Green is available. Boston is offering the services of outfielder Coco Crisp.

sounds like someone on WEEI is mashing two rumors together

why would we want another SS anyway?

It doesn't read to me like they are mashing two rumors together.  Although I find it strange that this was being reported by a Seattle area paper.

[xmuscularghandix]

if they're trying to lower their salary we should trade them julio lugo and pay his contract.

[yall hate]

The original reporter has already responded that it wasnt a trade of one for one.  just that both are available.  he did a ****ty job reporting it.  but no, the sox arent going to trade coco straight up for greene


Edit:
2:59pm: It seems that LaRue was saying both Crisp and Greene are available, not that one was offered for the other.  So, scratch the Crisp for Greene rumor.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

[MBz]

Glad it's not true.  Greene is not a sox guy.  Low obs, low average, strikes out a lot, I'd rather let Lowrie play.

[Tr1boy]

Coco was tremendous last year. Just because of his age and his earnings are much more than ellsbury i think we shouldn't overlook the fact if he stays he could be a better fit for us.

He will max out at 8 million and prob gladly stay as a sox if we offered him an extension. Ellsbury on the other hand is inching closer to become a 260 hitter, striking out over 100 times, lower obp, steals alot, good outfielder (he is grady sizemore 2 in the making but without much pop) and eventually with boras repping him will demand a ridicoulous 10-13 million a year.

I say sox COULD trade ellsbury and get something big back(especially a premium catcher). Just a thought

[Chris]

Coco was tremendous last year. Just because of his age and his earnings are much more than ellsbury i think we shouldn't overlook the fact if he stays he could be a better fit for us.

He will max out at 8 million and prob gladly stay as a sox if we offered him an extension. Ellsbury on the other hand is inching closer to become a 260 hitter, striking out over 100 times, lower obp, steals alot, good outfielder (he is grady sizemore 2 in the making but without much pop) and eventually with boras repping him will demand a ridicoulous 10-13 million a year.

I say sox COULD trade ellsbury and get something big back(especially a premium catcher). Just a thought

I really think you are overreacting based on Ellsbury only having a very good, and not a tremendous ROOKIE YEAR.

He hit .280, with a .336 OBP, stole 50 bases, and scored 98 runs.  I don't know what you were expecting, but that is a hell of a rookie year. 

I know some people give Coco a bad rap, because he is a very good player...but lets not sleep on Ellsbury. 

When you consider that Ellsbury was rumored to be playing hurt for much of the season, his numbers are even more impressive.

The big difference between Ellsbury and Crisp though is that Ellsbury has the makeup of a legit leadoff hitter, where Coco has proven that he just does not fit well as a leadoff hitter.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Ellsbury is untouchable, but I think someone would have to blow us away to include him in a deal (like with a 25 year old All-Star catcher, who is equally good at the plate and in the field).  Otherwise, Crisp is the odd man out.

[yall hate]

Coco was tremendous last year. Just because of his age and his earnings are much more than ellsbury i think we shouldn't overlook the fact if he stays he could be a better fit for us.

He will max out at 8 million and prob gladly stay as a sox if we offered him an extension. Ellsbury on the other hand is inching closer to become a 260 hitter, striking out over 100 times, lower obp, steals alot, good outfielder (he is grady sizemore 2 in the making but without much pop) and eventually with boras repping him will demand a ridicoulous 10-13 million a year.

I say sox COULD trade ellsbury and get something big back(especially a premium catcher). Just a thought

I really think you are overreacting based on Ellsbury only having a very good, and not a tremendous ROOKIE YEAR.

He hit .280, with a .336 OBP, stole 50 bases, and scored 98 runs.  I don't know what you were expecting, but that is a hell of a rookie year. 

I know some people give Coco a bad rap, because he is a very good player...but lets not sleep on Ellsbury. 

When you consider that Ellsbury was rumored to be playing hurt for much of the season, his numbers are even more impressive.

The big difference between Ellsbury and Crisp though is that Ellsbury has the makeup of a legit leadoff hitter, where Coco has proven that he just does not fit well as a leadoff hitter.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Ellsbury is untouchable, but I think someone would have to blow us away to include him in a deal (like with a 25 year old All-Star catcher, who is equally good at the plate and in the field).  Otherwise, Crisp is the odd man out.

I dont really think either needs to be the odd man out.  With Drew, we know we need a 4th of who will play a fair amount.  Ellsbury and crisp both play so aggressively that one of them being injured is a real possibility.  with all that, if you can get Coco to be ok with a platoon/4th of role, I think you try and keep him.  (unless of course something comes up where you get a good trade...but I am in no rush to let go of either just to get rid of one.)

[Tr1boy]

"The big difference between Ellsbury and Crisp though is that Ellsbury has the makeup of a legit leadoff hitter, where Coco has proven that he just does not fit well as a leadoff hitter."

I'am sorry but huh?? you gave me some stats that prove this is not the case one bit. So he can steal but what good is that when you can't get on base enough??

A great leadoff hitter sees alot of pitches, hits the ball all over the field, infield hits, walks and ellsbury you can say right now barring a miracle does none of those well. He pulls the ball, its too much 50 , 50 fly ball to grounders, he doesn't know what walks mean, and doesn't know how to work the pitcher.(he reminds me of that guy wesley snipes played on major leagues)

Crisp was alot better for a leadoff hitter and thats why he played most of the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong even if ellsbury is a lifetime 260 hitter, he will still get  you lots of steals and is a heck of an outfielder but better suited as a 8th or 9th at bat(who would make tons of money if boras has his way)

So its a dilema i think the redsox don't realize they could be cornering themselves into. I really hope ellsbury pulls through this year and becomes a decent leadoff guy, BUT if you don't think he might it could be ok to trade him now because his value is high(potential reasons) get a top catcher (not give up bowden or bucholz) and use crisp for the nest few years(this past years playoffs he showed me alot, and i think he turned a leaf in becoming a patient hitter)

[yall hate]

"The big difference between Ellsbury and Crisp though is that Ellsbury has the makeup of a legit leadoff hitter, where Coco has proven that he just does not fit well as a leadoff hitter."

I'am sorry but huh?? you gave me some stats that prove this is not the case one bit. So he can steal but what good is that when you can't get on base enough??

A great leadoff hitter sees alot of pitches, hits the ball all over the field, infield hits, walks and ellsbury you can say right now barring a miracle does none of those well. He pulls the ball, its too much 50 , 50 fly ball to grounders, he doesn't know what walks mean, and doesn't know how to work the pitcher.(he reminds me of that guy wesley snipes played on major leagues)

Crisp was alot better for a leadoff hitter and thats why he played most of the playoffs.

Don't get me wrong even if ellsbury is a lifetime 260 hitter, he will still get  you lots of steals and is a heck of an outfielder but better suited as a 8th or 9th at bat(who would make tons of money if boras has his way)

So its a dilema i think the redsox don't realize they could be cornering themselves into. I really hope ellsbury pulls through this year and becomes a decent leadoff guy, BUT if you don't think he might it could be ok to trade him now because his value is high(potential reasons) get a top catcher (not give up bowden or bucholz) and use crisp for the nest few years(this past years playoffs he showed me alot, and i think he turned a leaf in becoming a patient hitter)

The Red Sox seem to disagree with you.  Tito and others have seemed to indicate that Coco is not suited to be a leadoff guy.  He played during the playoffs because he was on a hot streak and Ellsbury was struggling.  Crisp was the better CF during the playoffs, not leadoff man.  that's all.

Ellsbury is more successful as a leadoff guy then Coco, and Ellsbury will be significantly better this year then he was last year.

Also, Ellsbury has never batted 260 in the major leagues.  as a rookie to 'struggle' and hit 280 tells you something.


Ultimately, it is a good problem to have...The sox seem to certainly like Ellsbury as a player more then Coco, but again, it is a good problem to have.

[steve]

coco should be packaged for a catcher.  that is our most needed position.