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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2008, 12:08:28 AM »

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I am not sure that the youtube posters are an accurate representation of rap stars. 

Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2008, 12:15:50 AM »

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I am not sure that the youtube posters are an accurate representation of rap stars. 


What's illegitimate about youtube posters? They are basically Chris' example put into action. In fact, they are an even better measure of public opinion. Youtube is an entirely anonymous forum, and so people need not fear retribution for their opinions. Sure, people get ripped on in the comment sections but the other posters don't have much to work with-- the people don't know each other. That freedom to speak without fear makes for a more honest atmosphere. Scrolling through youtube comments is the exact same thing as giving the public a general poll-- and that poll says that Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive. That saddens me.

Good video though, TP.

Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2008, 12:54:15 AM »

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I guess I'm incredibly old school, compared to these lists. My faves are all from back in the day:

A Tribe Called Quest
Gangstaar
The Pharcyde
Hieroglyphics
Group Home
The Artifacts

etc. etc..

Anyone here ever even listened to any of those groups?

Yes-- and they're all good. The thing is that for me, they aren't as amazing as Eminem and Nas and Jay-Z, and when I hear people say their top five doesn't even have one of those names.... I don't know what to think. Rakim was great. Eric B. Plenty of Old School rap is good. Its just that these guys came along during a time period that was the pinnacle of innovation. Rap was still moving forward in the 90's. Today, every song sounds the same. I haven't heard a song on Jam'n 94.5 that hasn't featured either Lil Wayne, T-Pain, or some rapper and guy-with-a-voicebox combo. I don't even dislike the sound, or think today's music sucks. It's just not up there with the music produced by Em, Nas, and Jay.

I hear you, I think for the most part the way an album is mixed now all has that electro sound to it with some empty boasting backing it. Hip hop/Rap is in a sad state right now. Everyone is going for the big hit.

Now, here is the type of stuff I was growing up on, circa '91 when I was a young teen:

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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2008, 01:02:01 AM »

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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2008, 02:44:22 AM »

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What's illegitimate about youtube posters? They are basically Chris' example put into action. In fact, they are an even better measure of public opinion. Youtube is an entirely anonymous forum, and so people need not fear retribution for their opinions. Sure, people get ripped on in the comment sections but the other posters don't have much to work with-- the people don't know each other. That freedom to speak without fear makes for a more honest atmosphere. Scrolling through youtube comments is the exact same thing as giving the public a general poll-- and that poll says that Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive. That saddens me.

Good video though, TP.

It's biased because in the comments section of a song, well, the only people commenting are surely the people that searched out the songs in the first place. Making it a biased sample towards those who like the artist (And the people that search for songs they hate to flame people of course ;) )

As to the question, Rakim came to mind immediately, and so did the Wu-Tang Clan. Their drop-off has been amazing when you consider where they were ten years ago. I still listen to Forever constantly. Which reminds me, does Tony Allen remind anybody else of U-God? For some reason they always go together in my mind.

Can we count Big Pun?

MC Ren? I guess he hasn't done much outside of NWA. I'd also like to mention Eazy-E, because he was a star in his time, not always the greatest rapper, but definately a star.




Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2008, 02:55:17 AM »

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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2008, 03:03:26 AM »

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2. Jay Z amazing body of work.

3. Lil Wayne   Based on what he's done so far. Might move up higher.

4. 2-pac    with more time could have been number two.

5. Snoop and Nas. Tie.  Nas better in his prime. Snoop a lot of good stuff over a long time.

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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2008, 05:44:03 AM »

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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2008, 05:50:35 AM »

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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2008, 05:56:18 AM »

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I know nothing about Rap...but I think you probably just listed 3 of the guys I would list in the top 5 rappers.  This is kind of like saying three forgotten Rock stars are the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, and Elvis.  

Or three forgotten Celtics are KG, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen.

Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2008, 06:54:57 AM »

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They're definitely not forgotten rap stars. I was on IP's wavelength, I thought Shyne as well as Big L and Big Pun.

Eminem, Nas and Jay-Z are 3 of most Hip-Hop fans all-time top 5.

Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2008, 08:09:53 AM »

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Huh? I'm pretty sure the 3 of 'em has all gotten a lot of recognition. Most of us here on Celticsblog put them in our top 5 rappers.

Forgotten should be Big L, Rakim, and KRS-One.
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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2008, 08:23:19 AM »

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What's illegitimate about youtube posters? They are basically Chris' example put into action. In fact, they are an even better measure of public opinion. Youtube is an entirely anonymous forum, and so people need not fear retribution for their opinions. Sure, people get ripped on in the comment sections but the other posters don't have much to work with-- the people don't know each other. That freedom to speak without fear makes for a more honest atmosphere. Scrolling through youtube comments is the exact same thing as giving the public a general poll-- and that poll says that Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive. That saddens me.

Good video though, TP.

It's biased because in the comments section of a song, well, the only people commenting are surely the people that searched out the songs in the first place. Making it a biased sample towards those who like the artist (And the people that search for songs they hate to flame people of course ;) )

As to the question, Rakim came to mind immediately, and so did the Wu-Tang Clan. Their drop-off has been amazing when you consider where they were ten years ago. I still listen to Forever constantly. Which reminds me, does Tony Allen remind anybody else of U-God? For some reason they always go together in my mind.

Can we count Big Pun?

MC Ren? I guess he hasn't done much outside of NWA. I'd also like to mention Eazy-E, because he was a star in his time, not always the greatest rapper, but definately a star.



I think youtube is at least a problematic source for criticism considering that those posting:
A) have access to a computer
B) have something in them that values youtube comments sections as worthwhile forums
C) spend their time searching and watching vids of songs they already know

If you consider that the majority of people that the music industry targets are 16 and under, its easy to believe that they value Wayne over Nas or Jay.  How many 14 year olds want to hear about something that's  not constantly being pushed down their throat by radio and video?  Even if they are the best at what they do, they are not the newest or freshest, which is what pop music iss about. And yes, I am calling Lil Wayne pop.
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Re: Three Forgotten Rap Stars
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2008, 08:27:45 AM »

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Funny...

I read this thread while listening to "Can I Live" after singing or reciting "The Message" in the shower, and was listening to eminem's "superman" in a friends car yesterday.

Maybe they've been forgotten by some others, but not by me.  :P

Want to talk about forgotten or underrated...

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