CB Draft Playoff Seeding - Results Thread

[indeedproceed]

Why does this end before the season starts?

Its kind of an off-season exercise.

[RebusRankin]

I'll take 4th in the West. Shocked about Houston missing in the West and Philly in the East. Also am suprised the Pickles finished 2nd last.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Wow...  some crazy results there.

I'm shocked that Houston, Philly, and Phoenix all missed the playoffs.  I had all of them in my top eight, for sure.  I think when I published my earlier update of the raw scores, they were each in the playoffs, so the later rounds of voting definitely made some drastic changes in the final results.

Kobe alone seemed to lift the Bulls to a #7 seed.  I think that's fair, but I think a lot of people will disagree.

It was surprising how bunched up all the teams were; there are the clearly good and clearly not as good teams at the end of the spectrum in either Conference, but the middle seeds could have easily gone up or down a number of rankings.

I was a bit surprised by the strong support that Utah and Denver got.  Obviously, both are good teams, but they seemed to march to the top of the voting almost immediately, and stay there.

I'm a little surprised that the Eastern Conference was a two horse race; I figured Detroit would challenge for best of the best, but they didn't get a lot of support.

Those are my thoughts for now.  Some wacky voting, for sure, but definitely fun.

I think absurd is a better word than shocked.

IMO there is no way Houston, Philly or Toronto misses the playoffs ---- especially when Chicago, Cleveland and San Antonio made the playoffs (no disrespect to those teams). Phoenix was more on the bubble but are better/deeper than Denver IMO.

I aslo like Milwaukee better than 14th in the east --- guess i'm alone.  I didn't have them in the playoffs, but i liked their team as a "just missed" team.

thanks again for all that put this together -- and all that voted for the Magics!  I look forward to a ECF showdown with the Nets

[KCattheStripe]

IMO there is no way Houston, Philly or Toronto misses the playoffs

I agree with you on Houston and Philly. But I think Toronto missing the playoffs is reasonable, just too many injury prone players and a weak bench.

[Lucky17]

Well, I ended up around where I thought I'd be, although a little on the low end. I like my playoff matchup against Detroit, however. Possible upset special there.

Wow, Houston. I have a feeling that's people voting against Jsaad. Just absurd, as Gainesville put it.

If anyone has the time, would be interested to see how a simulated season plays out. Regardless, another fun way to pass the summer doldrums. Thanks to everyone who helped contribute.

[Redz]

If anyone has the time, would be interested to see how a simulated season plays out.

I think my Angry Pickles would probably fair much better in a simulation (unless there is some sort of personality factor mixed in)

[bdm860]

Another thing that catches me by surprise, is that no team averaged below a 9.5.  Going in I thought there were definitely a couple of teams that I viewed as a tier below everyone else, I would think we would see some consistent 10, 11, 12 rankings for certain teams (of course there is always going to be a few outliers, and I'm not mad if an owner votes his team #1 even if he knows his team is bad).  Since I'm sure some teams got alot of 10/11/12 rankings that makes me think they probably also got some high votes too to arrive at the scores they did. Hmmm, now why would anyone purposely rank a bad team high?  I don't think anyone can claim ignorance on the ranking order of this one, this time it was clearly explained. 1 is the best, 12 (or 3) is the worst.  I definitelty think there was some low balling going on.

I'm not complaining though, it's a game and you got to do what you got to do to win.  Just making an observation.  This has definitely been alot of fun, and it's not even over yet! 

[Gainesville Celtic]

IMO there is no way Houston, Philly or Toronto misses the playoffs

I agree with you on Houston and Philly. But I think Toronto missing the playoffs is reasonable, just too many injury prone players and a weak bench.

I'll give you that they have a thin -- not weak -- bench, but injury prone?  I was about to conceded Wince Carter, but the last few years he's played in 75+ games each time; Z's injury problems are far behind him (5 of 6 seasons 77+ games);


allen iverson
vince carter
thaddeus young
antawn jamison
zydrunas ilgauskas

sean williams
shaun livingston
dj augustin
joe alexander

I fear TOR is falling victim to the same undervaluing of Iverson I had experienced. 

But hey, i guess it helps me i'd much rather face Kobe and the Kobettes, er, Bulls than Atlanta

[KCattheStripe]

I'll give you that they have a thin -- not weak -- bench, but injury prone?  I was about to conceded Wince Carter, but the last few years he's played in 75+ games each time; Z's injury problems are far behind him (5 of 6 seasons 77+ games);


allen iverson
vince carter
thaddeus young
antawn jamison
zydrunas ilgauskas

sean williams
shaun livingston
dj augustin
joe alexander

I'd say weak bench, two coin flip rookie prospects ( I personally think that Alexander will pan out, not sold on Augistin) Shaun Livingston (who may or may not play again). Sean Williams is a solid player.

In 04-05 Antwan missed 14 games, and in 06-07 he missed 12. Z has been healthy and productive for a few years now, but he's 33 and has had a back up in Varejo, and then this year (when he missed 9 games) he had two additional back ups in Big Ben and Joe Smith.

If there were more depth at the PF and C position I think Toronto would be an easy playoff team, but without it, I see Z and Antwan being forced to carry too much of the frontcourt load.

[Edgar]

I'll give you that they have a thin -- not weak -- bench, but injury prone?  I was about to conceded Wince Carter, but the last few years he's played in 75+ games each time; Z's injury problems are far behind him (5 of 6 seasons 77+ games);


allen iverson
vince carter
thaddeus young
antawn jamison
zydrunas ilgauskas

sean williams
shaun livingston
dj augustin
joe alexander

I'd say weak bench, two coin flip rookie prospects ( I personally think that Alexander will pan out, not sold on Augistin) Shaun Livingston (who may or may not play again). Sean Williams is a solid player.

In 04-05 Antwan missed 14 games, and in 06-07 he missed 12. Z has been healthy and productive for a few years now, but he's 33 and has had a back up in Varejo, and then this year (when he missed 9 games) he had two additional back ups in Big Ben and Joe Smith.

If there were more depth at the PF and C position I think Toronto would be an easy playoff team, but without it, I see Z and Antwan being forced to carry too much of the frontcourt load.

when did i trade livingston??

[KCattheStripe]

No idea.

[indeedproceed]

I think from this point forward Shaun Livingston will play about as much basketball in the NBA as I will.

[Redz]

I'll give you that they have a thin -- not weak -- bench, but injury prone?  I was about to conceded Wince Carter, but the last few years he's played in 75+ games each time; Z's injury problems are far behind him (5 of 6 seasons 77+ games);


allen iverson
vince carter
thaddeus young
antawn jamison
zydrunas ilgauskas

sean williams
shaun livingston
dj augustin
joe alexander

I'd say weak bench, two coin flip rookie prospects ( I personally think that Alexander will pan out, not sold on Augistin) Shaun Livingston (who may or may not play again). Sean Williams is a solid player.

In 04-05 Antwan missed 14 games, and in 06-07 he missed 12. Z has been healthy and productive for a few years now, but he's 33 and has had a back up in Varejo, and then this year (when he missed 9 games) he had two additional back ups in Big Ben and Joe Smith.

If there were more depth at the PF and C position I think Toronto would be an easy playoff team, but without it, I see Z and Antwan being forced to carry too much of the frontcourt load.

when did i trade livingston??

Oh wait a minute, if Edgar doesn't have Livingston I'd like to change my vote.  Can we redo this thing?

[KCattheStripe]

I think from this point forward Shaun Livingston will play about as much basketball in the NBA as I will.

IS it bad that when I read "point forward" I thought you meant he was going to be on a team that would make him play point forward?

[Lucky17]

I seem to remember the Toronto GM proposing playing Livingston full time at the SF position, and getting lambasted for it (rightly so).

How did he end up with Edgar's team? Was there a trade? Livingston-gate is in full effect . . .