TP Challenge

[jdub1660]

Alright. I need some takers for this Tommy Point Challenge. We have a Trade Ideas section that is just caked over in dust. SO, my challenge here is for ppl to put together REASONABLE trade ideas for us to perfect our roster. Follow the rules and you'll earn a Tommy point...

DA RULES.
1. Our starting 5(Rondo,Ray,Pierce,KG,Perk) can't be touched...PERIOD!
2. Your trade idea must post the new 15 roster, along with your idea of the 12 man rotation
3. SALARIES HAVE TO MATCH
4. All teams involved in the trade must truly benefit from it (No Scalabrine for Richard Jefferson posts)
5. Obviously I'll be the lone judge in deciding if your idea followed all the rules and is eligible for a TP or 2

BONUS TP for trade ideas that can bring in Sam Cassell and/or PJ Brown also ideas with us keeping Darius Miles


Let the games begin!!!

[Roy Hobbs]

In other words, lots of "Scal + Pruitt, and maybe throw in a second rounder" deals.

[jdub1660]

In other words, lots of "Scal + Pruitt, and maybe throw in a second rounder" deals.

Yeah...some of the trades might be repetitious, but anything is better than nothing. Plus I had to eliminate the Ray Allen trade ideas before they started again.

I still left some wiggle room. Cut/waive whomever you need. House, Tony, Powe are all expendable. Not to mention the idea of free TPs gets everyone excited....can I give myself a TP if I come up with a good trade?

[lon3lytoaster]

It's pretty hard for us to make a trade that makes us any better, imo... Even in fantasy. Certain guys can't be traded at the moment (Eddie, Tony, the rooks ect) and our other contracts are way too small to put together a significant deal (Powe, Davis, Pruitt)

[celticmaestro]

We really don't have much to offer. Which is why we see some of the ridiculous trade proposals on the site.

[EJPLAYA]

How about a sign and trade with Cleveland. Cleveland gets Scal, Pruitt, and BBD and we get Delonte. This would give him a salary in the 5 mil range per year. We shed our duplication at the backup SF. Improve our backup PG situation, and clear a couple spots to be able to sign a free agent or two with the vet minimum allowance.

Backup spots have Delonte spelling Rondo and sometimes Ray. All others like we've discussed a thousand times.

[hwangjini_1]

In other words, lots of "Scal + Pruitt, and maybe throw in a second rounder" deals.

hey!!! he said "no trades invovling starters" and this looks as if it will be scal's breakout year.

so...back to the drawing board RH. 

[dustroia]

I've always been impressed by Ime Udoka. He's a very solid rebounder (especially considering his size), can shoot the spot up 3, and is a terrific defender. I feel like he'd play the James Posey role well, though obviously not as well as Posey himself.

He's also cheap, at only 1 mil per year. There is zero chance the trade actually happens, but at least it's something.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3200~1021~1996~866&teams=24~24~2~2&te=&cash=

[lon3lytoaster]

I've always been impressed by Ime Udoka. He's a very solid rebounder (especially considering his size), can shoot the spot up 3, and is a terrific defender. I feel like he'd play the James Posey role well, though obviously not as well as Posey himself.

He's also cheap, at only 1 mil per year. There is zero chance the trade actually happens, but at least it's something.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3200~1021~1996~866&teams=24~24~2~2&te=&cash=

The trade itself you have probably wouldn't happen as is, but Ime actually might not be a bad addition at all, especially if Miles doesn't turn out to be ok.

[JBcat]

I'm an advocate of waiting until at least midseason to trade any of our young players so that we get a better feel of what they can do, see what improvements they made, and that we don't undervalue them now in a trade.   Plus 6 of our players have trade restrictions 4 of them can't be traded until December 15th or 3 months from when they signed whichever is later which includes Tony Allen, Eddie House, Darius Miles, and Patrick O'Bryant (Walker and Giddens have to wait 30 days after they signed to be traded).  So Roy is right we are very limited to what we can trade now.   However if I were to make a trade here is a possibility.  Scal of course because of his contract, BBD, future first or second round pick for either Martell Webster or Travis Outlaw.  Why both teams would do it?   Webster and Outlaw kind of duplicate themselves on Portland and I can foresee Portland trading one of them at some point.   Both are true small forwards and although still very young they are less risky for a backup SF than are current prospects at that position with Miles 2 years removed from his last game, Giddens and Walker both rooks, and Tony Allen not really a SF.  Plus both of these guys are excellent 3 point shooters and will help spread the floor like  Posey did while also athletic and should be able to defend well.   Since they are still very young they still have some room for improvement and upside which Ainge would like.  It doesn't put as much pressure on our rooks or Miles to push himself too fast in his rehab.   If Giddens, Walker, Miles all play up to their potential at some point we will have more trade pieces for future moves which is not a bad problem to have.  This move would also free up more playing time for Powe which I would love and add another roster spot for a vet big at some point Mourning, Brown, or whoever else.  For Portland they just drafted another SF they like in Batum so it will free up some playing  there for him and whoever they keep out of the 2 in this trade.  Even with Oden returning I don't think they would mind another talented big man as it's still unknown if Oden can hold up for 82 games.  Having Oden, Aldridge, Diogu, Frye, and BBD they would be set with 5 bigs for the future with all of them around the same age bringing different things to the table.   I'm guessng Przbilla is not in their long term plans and will be traded at some point.  If we spice up the deal with a with say a future 1st round pick instead of a 2nd pick maybe they will bite.  Portland's roster is pretty full and they would be taking on an extra player in Scal but they could easily buyout Lafrentz's contract if needed.

After saying all this I think I'd still rather wait until midseason before doing anything.

Do I get a TP?

[jaketwice]

I'm an advocate of waiting until at least midseason to trade any of our young players so that we get a better feel of what they can do, see what improvements they made, and that we don't undervalue them now in a trade.   Plus 6 of our players have trade restrictions 4 of them can't be traded until December 15th or 3 months from when they signed whichever is later which includes Tony Allen, Eddie House, Darius Miles, and Patrick O'Bryant (Walker and Giddens have to wait 30 days after they signed to be traded).  So Roy is right we are very limited to what we can trade now.   However if I were to make a trade here is a possibility.  Scal of course because of his contract, BBD, future first or second round pick for either Martell Webster or Travis Outlaw.  Why both teams would do it?   Webster and Outlaw kind of duplicate themselves on Portland and I can foresee Portland trading one of them at some point.   Both are true small forwards and although still very young they are less risky for a backup SF than are current prospects at that position with Miles 2 years removed from his last game, Giddens and Walker both rooks, and Tony Allen not really a SF.  Plus both of these guys are excellent 3 point shooters and will help spread the floor like  Posey did while also athletic and should be able to defend well.   Since they are still very young they still have some room for improvement and upside which Ainge would like.  It doesn't put as much pressure on our rooks or Miles to push himself too fast in his rehab.   If Giddens, Walker, Miles all play up to their potential at some point we will have more trade pieces for future moves which is not a bad problem to have.  This move would also free up more playing time for Powe which I would love and add another roster spot for a vet big at some point Mourning, Brown, or whoever else.  For Portland they just drafted another SF they like in Batum so it will free up some playing  there for him and whoever they keep out of the 2 in this trade.  Even with Oden returning I don't think they would mind another talented big man as it's still unknown if Oden can hold up for 82 games.  Having Oden, Aldridge, Diogu, Frye, and BBD they would be set with 5 bigs for the future with all of them around the same age bringing different things to the table.   I'm guessng Przbilla is not in their long term plans and will be traded at some point.  If we spice up the deal with a with say a future 1st round pick instead of a 2nd pick maybe they will bite.  Portland's roster is pretty full and they would be taking on an extra player in Scal but they could easily buyout Lafrentz's contract if needed.

After saying all this I think I'd still rather wait until midseason before doing anything.

Do I get a TP?

Not from me. You're not James Joyce - how about breaking that block of text into paragraphs for me? I would TP that. Seriously: I can't read what you have to say in that format.

[JBcat]

Sorry dude.  Let me try this again.


I'm an advocate of waiting until at least midseason to trade any of our young players so that we get a better feel of what they can do, see what improvements they made, and that we don't undervalue them now in a trade.   Plus 6 of our players have trade restrictions 4 of them can't be traded until December 15th or 3 months from when they signed whichever is later which includes Tony Allen, Eddie House, Darius Miles, and Patrick O'Bryant (Walker and Giddens have to wait 30 days after they signed to be traded).  So Roy is right we are very limited to what we can trade now. 

 However if I were to make a trade here is a possibility.  Scal of course because of his contract, BBD, future first or second round pick for either Martell Webster or Travis Outlaw. 

Why both teams would do it?   For us both are true small forwards and although still very young they are less risky for a backup SF than our current prospects at that position with Miles 2 years removed from his last game, Giddens and Walker both rooks, and Tony Allen not really a SF.  Plus both of these guys are excellent 3 point shooters and will help spread the floor like  Posey did while also athletic and should be able to defend well.  They are still very young so they have some room for improvement and upside which Ainge would like.  It doesn't put as much pressure on our rooks or Miles to push himself too fast in his rehab.   If Giddens, Walker, Miles all play up to their potential at some point we will have more trade pieces for future moves which is not a bad problem to have.  This move would also free up more playing time for Powe which I would love and add another roster spot for a vet big at some point Mourning, Brown, or whoever else. 

Webster and Outlaw kind of duplicate each other on Portland and I could foresee Portland trading one of them at some point.   They also just drafted another SF they like in Batum so it will free up some playing  there for him and whoever they keep out of the 2 in this trade.  Even with Oden returning I don't think they would mind another talented big man as it's still unknown if Oden can hold up for 82 games.  Having Oden, Aldridge, Diogu, Frye, and BBD they would be set with 5 bigs for the future with all of them around the same age bringing different things to the table.   I'm guessng Przbilla is not in their long term plans and will be traded at some point.  If we spice up the deal with say a future 1st round pick instead of a 2nd pick maybe they will bite.  Portland's roster is pretty full and they would be taking on an extra player in Scal but they could easily buyout Lafrentz's contract if needed.

After saying all this I think I'd still rather wait until midseason before doing anything.

Do I get a TP?
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Not from me. You're not James Joyce - how about breaking that block of text into paragraphs for me? I would TP that. Seriously: I can't read what you have to say in that format.
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[jaketwice]

Sorry dude.  Let me try this again.


I'm an advocate of waiting until at least midseason to trade any of our young players so that we get a better feel of what they can do, see what improvements they made, and that we don't undervalue them now in a trade.   Plus 6 of our players have trade restrictions 4 of them can't be traded until December 15th or 3 months from when they signed whichever is later which includes Tony Allen, Eddie House, Darius Miles, and Patrick O'Bryant (Walker and Giddens have to wait 30 days after they signed to be traded).  So Roy is right we are very limited to what we can trade now. 

 However if I were to make a trade here is a possibility.  Scal of course because of his contract, BBD, future first or second round pick for either Martell Webster or Travis Outlaw. 

Why both teams would do it?   For us both are true small forwards and although still very young they are less risky for a backup SF than our current prospects at that position with Miles 2 years removed from his last game, Giddens and Walker both rooks, and Tony Allen not really a SF.  Plus both of these guys are excellent 3 point shooters and will help spread the floor like  Posey did while also athletic and should be able to defend well.  They are still very young so they have some room for improvement and upside which Ainge would like.  It doesn't put as much pressure on our rooks or Miles to push himself too fast in his rehab.   If Giddens, Walker, Miles all play up to their potential at some point we will have more trade pieces for future moves which is not a bad problem to have.  This move would also free up more playing time for Powe which I would love and add another roster spot for a vet big at some point Mourning, Brown, or whoever else. 

Webster and Outlaw kind of duplicate each other on Portland and I could foresee Portland trading one of them at some point.   They also just drafted another SF they like in Batum so it will free up some playing  there for him and whoever they keep out of the 2 in this trade.  Even with Oden returning I don't think they would mind another talented big man as it's still unknown if Oden can hold up for 82 games.  Having Oden, Aldridge, Diogu, Frye, and BBD they would be set with 5 bigs for the future with all of them around the same age bringing different things to the table.   I'm guessng Przbilla is not in their long term plans and will be traded at some point.  If we spice up the deal with say a future 1st round pick instead of a 2nd pick maybe they will bite.  Portland's roster is pretty full and they would be taking on an extra player in Scal but they could easily buyout Lafrentz's contract if needed.

After saying all this I think I'd still rather wait until midseason before doing anything.

Do I get a TP?

Absolutely.

Incidentally, I also agree with you... There's no point in trading our youth for a slew or relatively unproven guys. It's apples for apples - the same number of apples.

We do have a weakness at SF, however...

Rumor is that Portland would move Outlaw for a PG.

Scalabrine + Pruitt for Outlaw...

[JBcat]

Sorry dude.  Let me try this again.


I'm an advocate of waiting until at least midseason to trade any of our young players so that we get a better feel of what they can do, see what improvements they made, and that we don't undervalue them now in a trade.   Plus 6 of our players have trade restrictions 4 of them can't be traded until December 15th or 3 months from when they signed whichever is later which includes Tony Allen, Eddie House, Darius Miles, and Patrick O'Bryant (Walker and Giddens have to wait 30 days after they signed to be traded).  So Roy is right we are very limited to what we can trade now. 

 However if I were to make a trade here is a possibility.  Scal of course because of his contract, BBD, future first or second round pick for either Martell Webster or Travis Outlaw. 

Why both teams would do it?   For us both are true small forwards and although still very young they are less risky for a backup SF than our current prospects at that position with Miles 2 years removed from his last game, Giddens and Walker both rooks, and Tony Allen not really a SF.  Plus both of these guys are excellent 3 point shooters and will help spread the floor like  Posey did while also athletic and should be able to defend well.  They are still very young so they have some room for improvement and upside which Ainge would like.  It doesn't put as much pressure on our rooks or Miles to push himself too fast in his rehab.   If Giddens, Walker, Miles all play up to their potential at some point we will have more trade pieces for future moves which is not a bad problem to have.  This move would also free up more playing time for Powe which I would love and add another roster spot for a vet big at some point Mourning, Brown, or whoever else. 

Webster and Outlaw kind of duplicate each other on Portland and I could foresee Portland trading one of them at some point.   They also just drafted another SF they like in Batum so it will free up some playing  there for him and whoever they keep out of the 2 in this trade.  Even with Oden returning I don't think they would mind another talented big man as it's still unknown if Oden can hold up for 82 games.  Having Oden, Aldridge, Diogu, Frye, and BBD they would be set with 5 bigs for the future with all of them around the same age bringing different things to the table.   I'm guessng Przbilla is not in their long term plans and will be traded at some point.  If we spice up the deal with say a future 1st round pick instead of a 2nd pick maybe they will bite.  Portland's roster is pretty full and they would be taking on an extra player in Scal but they could easily buyout Lafrentz's contract if needed.

After saying all this I think I'd still rather wait until midseason before doing anything.

Do I get a TP?

Absolutely.

Incidentally, I also agree with you... There's no point in trading our youth for a slew or relatively unproven guys. It's apples for apples - the same number of apples.

We do have a weakness at SF, however...

Rumor is that Portland would move Outlaw for a PG.

Scalabrine + Pruitt for Outlaw...

I would do that trade as well although with Bayless, Rodriguez, and Blake I'm not sure if they need another PG. 

[jdub1660]

CONGRATULATIONS to JBcat and jaketwice! TPs for each of you for posting trade ideas that followed "da rules". Here's my evaluation on each of your ideas...

JBcat - Your trade involved getting rid of Scalabrine, BBD, and a future 1st or 2nd round pick in exchange for Webster or Outlaw from Portland. The 1st round pick has got to be out of the question, even though with our season wins we'll never be too close in the beginning of the draft. The idea of a Boston bench w/o Scal sounds great, plus you got rid of the logjam at PF AND cleared a roster spot for us later on. Between the 2 Blazers(having not really watched either) my pick would be Outlaw strictly for what Hoopshype rated his skills as, and for him being a 6'9 SF, so he could play the 4 if needed. No one followed the rule for posting your new 15 man roster with 12 man rotation, so I'll do it for you.

JBcat's Celtics
 1Rondo, 6House, Pruitt
 2Ray, 7Tony, 11Giddens
 3Pierce, 8Outlaw/Webster, 12Miles, Walker
 4KG, 9Powe
 5Perk, 10Pat'0

jaketwice - Your proposition had Scal and Pruitt going to Portland for Travis Outlaw...Once again, awesome work on creating a roster spot for us by getting rid of 2 for 1. Some might argue that Pruitt needs more time, but we need a PG now, and I like the idea of a shooting shotblocking SF like Outlaw helping us out if it meant dangling Pruitt as bait. PLUS, by freeing up a spot with Pruitt, we could always take back Cassell.

jaketwice's Celtics
 1Rondo, 6House
 2Ray, 7Tony, 11Giddens
 3Pierce, 8Outlaw, 12Miles, Walker
 4KG, 9Powe, BBD
 5Perk, 10Pat'0

I can't give myself a TP, but here's my idea..which is basically taken off the Portland idea, plus my twist of what to do with the holes. SO. We have too many undersized PFs, and not enough proven SFs that can shoot. So, here we send Scalabrine, Pruitt(if portland is truly rumored to want one), and BBD in exchange for Travis Outlaw. Sure, that's a lot of players for the Blazers to sort through and weed out, but, it gives them more options at the pg, and gives them another big to play with. Someone also through out the idea of them buying out Raef's contract..sure, let him come back to Boston to fight for backup C/PF minutes. By losing Scal, Pruitt and BBD, we gain our SF and leave open 2 roster spots for later additions as players are bought out from their respective teams. ex. Lafrentz,Marbury, etc(and I won't say Antoine so we won't have argumentative threads started about him) Plus we could always fall back on signing Cassell and PJ later if no other good pieces fall on our door step. Then there's always Sarunas if he's still available for an NBA come back.

JDUB's Celtics
 1Rondo, 6House, 11(Cassell or Sarunas Jeskavious)
 2Ray, 7Tony, Giddens
 3Pierce, 8Outlaw, Miles
 4KG, 9Powe
 5Perk, 10Pat'0, 12(PJ or Raef Lafrentz)