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Offline TradeProposalDude

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I've been on Celtics message boards for a while now. I'm sure most of you have been around the evolution of the realGM's, Celticsblog's, Celtic-nation's (for the true old timers) and let's be real - hypothesizing what it would take to win the chip when such a reality had seemed farfethed was far more fun and produced a lot more insightful discussion because the looming uncertainty of what the future had in store created a more fun environment on any board. Either we take Oden or Durant, or bust. Man those were good times. Or how about the Ricky vs Jiri debates? Or the trade Paul or don't trade Paul arguments and bickering that only ceased about a year ago?

This should be a break from the boring discussions that have been widespread across all the Celtics boards. If you're looking for some deeper motivation behind my rumblings, there isn't any beyond that.

Looking at it all, I guess now that we're actually champions, there isn't much to discuss except how they should remain on the top echelon, which in a message board setting is no fun to discuss.

Don't get me wrong - I grew up and am a diehard Celtic fan and I got to witness something that I thought I would never see. Literally. But I did... but the message board experience has taken a hit because of it.

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I hear you.  There's certainly less controversy now, although there's still room for divergence in the Tony Allen, P.O.B., and James Posey debates, for instance.  Overall, though, you're right:  it's a lot easier to post on a message board when the future is a complete question mark.

A winning team might make life slightly less interesting as a message board poster, but from my experience, it makes life a lot better as a fan.  That championship was an incredible, incredible experience, something I was beginning to wonder if I'd ever see again.  #17 was a thing of beauty, no doubt.

As a means of distraction, you should join our draft next season.  It's eaten up a solid three week chunk of our lives, and has been a lot of fun.  It certainly distracts us from the fact that we have nothing to talk about. ;)

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I would be so happy if we could sign either Darius Miles or Scott Pollard right now!


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I've been on Celtics message boards for a while now. I'm sure most of you have been around the evolution of the realGM's, Celticsblog's, Celtic-nation's (for the true old timers) and let's be real - hypothesizing what it would take to win the chip when such a reality had seemed farfethed was far more fun and produced a lot more insightful discussion because the looming uncertainty of what the future had in store created a more fun environment on any board. Either we take Oden or Durant, or bust. Man those were good times. Or how about the Ricky vs Jiri debates? Or the trade Paul or don't trade Paul arguments and bickering that only ceased about a year ago?

This should be a break from the boring discussions that have been widespread across all the Celtics boards. If you're looking for some deeper motivation behind my rumblings, there isn't any beyond that.

Looking at it all, I guess now that we're actually champions, there isn't much to discuss except how they should remain on the top echelon, which in a message board setting is no fun to discuss.

Don't get me wrong - I grew up and am a diehard Celtic fan and I got to witness something that I thought I would never see. Literally. But I did... but the message board experience has taken a hit because of it.

Discuss

Hmm, I hear what you're saying, TPD, and I think it's an understandable enough sentiment.  People gravitate toward (and have more to say about) 'train wreck' type situations, and that's what our beloved team had been for some time prior to this past season.  I think Jeff, Bob and Roy might have the stats to back this up, but my understanding is that our traffic tends to be noticeably lower when all is going smoothly (Finals run notwithstanding), which adds some credence to your point (fellas in the know, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this one).

But at the same time, while I understand where you're coming form, I'm not sure I agree in whole.  My question here would be how much of your post is related to the winning and how much is related to the off-season?  Even throughout this season, when we were the best team in hoops from wire to wire, there still seemed to be plenty to talk about all season, plenty to complain about, plenty of anxiousness moving forward.  The discussions after each playoff game about Doc, rotations, studs/duds, you name it, were plenty exciting in their own right.  And on a personal level, I've found some truth in that old "The hardest thing isn't getting to the top, it's staying there" adage.  I've got more nervous excitement for this season than any other previously because I'm a bit worried about this team.  I still wonder if we're going to be okay without replacing James Posey beyond more Tony Allen and the rookies.  I'm nervous about Patrick O'Bryant.  I'm wracking my brain for possible acquisitions every day, most of the time while I'm supposed to be focusing on other things.  And I think the discussions about a variety of these issues -- the Posey-Maggette thread from early in the summer comes to mind in particular - have been excellent in their own right, albeit a bit different from in tone from those of the past that you reference.

To me, the bigger issue that no games and no recent acquisitions means there are only so many subjects to cover.  Six months is a long time to survive on "What happens with Posey?," "What's the deal with O'Bryant?" and "Who else should we sign?"  When there are games every night and thus new developments with the team, it's my guess that you'll see the liveliness you're looking for.  And for what it's worth, that's no knock on the off-season here at CB -- I've thoroughly enjoyed the conversations here and look forward to more of the same.  But I understand why you might be a little frustrated.

Ultimately, I can't bring myself to refer to anything related to our beloved team's title with a "but" afterwards.  Have the tone of the message board discussions changed?  Absolutely, I'm with you on that.  But getting to both enjoy the sweetness of this title and look nervously to the future with a whole community of Celts diehards - particularly as an out-of-town guy who has never physically lived among Celts fans save for my father and one close friend - is just one more perk to a wonderful year in my eyes.

Interesting topic, TP for starting.

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There is less to talk about, especially items of vast importance.

There's also less room for diverse opinions about how to build the team, more people are on the same page when a team is good/winning.

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TP to Steve for expressing my sentiments quite well.

Particularly my worry about the future. I'm less than certain we have the horses to make a second title run.

But ... there's an upside. Personally, I found such old topics as the infatuation with Gerald Green so pervasive as to be annoying. The size of the fan base for a player who accomplished nothing of note - and no, the dunk title isn't anything of note - continues to amaze me. There's really no failed player on this roster - yet - to be similarly infatuated with.

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well, luckily for you, we only have to wait about 3 more seasons and we will be right back where we were, smack dab in the middle of another rebuilding phase.

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well, luckily for you, we only have to wait about 3 more seasons and we will be right back where we were, smack dab in the middle of another rebuilding phase.

Yep.  Which, imo, was no fun at all.  I disagree with the thread title.  While rebuilding and losing might have produced more to talk about it certainly wasn't fun. Winning and discussing how we get the next title (like last season) was way more fun.  Right now it's slow because it's the offseason, but I don't think we'll have a shortage of things to talk about once the quest to repeat begins.
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There's a lot less fighting and arguing in good marriages over bad ones too, but no one says "I wish my marriage was shakier, so the wife and I can have more arguments." 

I spent more time posting here when the Cs had a lot of holes to fill, but I can say with certainty that I enjoyed green and white confetti falling on my head on June 18, 2008 at the Garden a hell of a lot more.

well, luckily for you, we only have to wait about 3 more seasons and we will be right back where we were, smack dab in the middle of another rebuilding phase.

 

I'd say NBA teams historically have an easier team reloading/tweaking rather than totally rebuilding after a championship or two.  The way Ainge has wisely spread out his big contracts, there's no reason to believe that the Cs won't be a top team in the beginning of the next decade too, assuming the proper moves are made with the big salary slots, and that the late round Ainge draft picks continue to make an impact.     

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I think the entire view of whether it is more fun to discuss basketball, specifically in this instance Celtics basketball, when the team isn't as good and is rebuilding vs whether that team is great centers around what one finds enjoyable.

For instance, if discussing trades, draft choices, free agents and basically playing Danny Ainge on a message board is something that you get into, of course if the team is bad it will be more fun because there is more work to do and more uncertainty in what you have. On the other hand, if discussing the subtleties of the game, specifically coaching strategies, rotations, matchups, and the basic chess match that quality play and playoff basketball produce, one will enjoy it better on a message board if the team is good to great.

I think ultimately the unknown will always generate more topic discussion and draw more people and opinions on any subject you want to discuss. How to build a team from bad to good deals with a tremendous amount of the unknown and I think is much more appealing to the average fan and easier for the average fan to talk about. But when dealing with a tremendous amount of known factors that are exceptional, you are now dealing with an entity that requires a more keen knowledge of the subject and hence is less appealing and harder to discuss for the average fan. Hence less talk and less ideas and less people talking.

I myself, and I probably can vouch for many of the "regulars" to this site, enjoy both. Does that make me a bigger or more knowledgable fan than others, hell no! It just means that I think I can speak in both types of discussions and have fun doing so in both.

I really believe that some of the less fun stuff happening this off season is, as Steve and Roy discussed early, simply because it is the off season and the team is built and we know what we have.

I don't believe that Celticsblog has become any less fun or less appealing. I find Celticsblog to be more of a community meeting place to discuss all sorts of topics that just so happens to have the least common denominator that each of it's members are Celtics fans. There are so many topics to discuss from baseball to football to daily news events(some anyway) to movies to bar etiquette to dating advice to just about anything you want.

I, like many members, find myself in front of a computer much of the day trying to make a living. I have a small business so there's very little office interaction with other people, working mostly out of my home in my office. Celticsblog allows me a fun way of interacting with others that I would get if I worked for a larger company and worked in an atmosphere where there were many people. For me, in many ways, it keeps me a bit more sane than I would otherwise be without contact from people.

Anyway, I think there has been a time when just about everyone has thought exactly the thought that the OP brought up. It does seem at times during this offseason that it has dragged and has been less exciting and the topics about the Celtics have been redundant and boring. But I think that is simply the impatience we all have awaiting yet another season of dazzling basketball excitement.

We're all just a bunch of Celtic junkies with the dts waiting for our next fix. Maybe that's why it seems the way it does.

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I liked it when they were rebuilding because it let me daydream all day about all the things I would do if I were a Celtics GM. (I would've drafted Greg Oden, not Kevin Durant)

I hated because all I did was daydream about what I would do if I were the Celtics Gm. I hated because I wasn't the Celtics Gm, and they never asked me for my input.

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I'd go further then the OP. Message boards are almost inversely popular to the fan base. When the fans are pleased and going to the games - boards are dead. When there is little interest in the real world in a team (the 24 win season) the message boards are buzzing.

Still I prefer quieter boards and winning teams.

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There's an old quote that goes something like: "The happy periods of human history are written on blank pages."  TP for anyone who can find the exact quote, and who said it.  It's applicable here.
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I've been on Celtics message boards for a while now. I'm sure most of you have been around the evolution of the realGM's, Celticsblog's, Celtic-nation's (for the true old timers) and let's be real - hypothesizing what it would take to win the chip when such a reality had seemed farfethed was far more fun and produced a lot more insightful discussion because the looming uncertainty of what the future had in store created a more fun environment on any board. Either we take Oden or Durant, or bust. Man those were good times. Or how about the Ricky vs Jiri debates? Or the trade Paul or don't trade Paul arguments and bickering that only ceased about a year ago?

This should be a break from the boring discussions that have been widespread across all the Celtics boards. If you're looking for some deeper motivation behind my rumblings, there isn't any beyond that.

Looking at it all, I guess now that we're actually champions, there isn't much to discuss except how they should remain on the top echelon, which in a message board setting is no fun to discuss.

Don't get me wrong - I grew up and am a diehard Celtic fan and I got to witness something that I thought I would never see. Literally. But I did... but the message board experience has taken a hit because of it.

Discuss

id much rather watch a championship team play (and win) and have nothing to discuss on a message board, rather than blabber about hypothetical thoughts or ideas while winning 24 games.

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It is much quieter on here.  The number of the more negative posters (please, do not list them) disappeared to the point I was labeled as one of the negative posters. 



But the enjoyment of the actual season and the title outweighs all of that.