Posey was an Awakening

[jay_jay54]

Im not starting this thread as to knock on J.Posey,but the "Will International Leagues Destroy Salary Cap"thread reminded me of Posey opting for the dough,and giving up playing on a potential 2-3yrs.run at a championship, with the best team in the NBA.If Posey saw grabbing more money instead of all the other things attached to the money,then why wouldn't the trend continue throughout the NBA,from time to time.The Hornets are a team of the future,but until they have won something,its all spectulation.Childress,Posey as we all saw,(jumped ship)with both players  not being superstars,but good enough,to change the course of a team's immediate chemistry.I can see down the road,this league either has to change some rules or we will lose some of  the better players overseas,and teams can't count on "good" players staying longer than their first deal.Losing Posey is still lingering in minds of a lot,even some who don't admit it.Im for one,understand more than i did when it first went down,but im still not so convinced it was the correct thing to do. 

[dark_lord]

trust me, i wish posey stayed here, but i cant fault him for going for stability. this is his last chance to earn a meaningful salary. he earned the money and the extra years other teams werent willing to pay him for.  he has won two titles, i cant knock him.  plus he is going to another really solid team.

[jay_jay54]

trust me, i wish posey stayed here, but i cant fault him for going for stability. this is his last chance to earn a meaningful salary. he earned the money and the extra years other teams werent willing to pay him for.  he has won two titles, i cant knock him.  plus he is going to another really solid team.

I feel the same as you Dark_Lord,but i think the league itself has to make some changes.

[slamtheking]

trust me, i wish posey stayed here, but i cant fault him for going for stability. this is his last chance to earn a meaningful salary. he earned the money and the extra years other teams werent willing to pay him for.  he has won two titles, i cant knock him.  plus he is going to another really solid team.

"Meaningful salary"?  I think you and I have a much different definition of that term.   Whatever contract he signed after last year would have been more money than he'll spend the rest of his life and his kids' lives.

I can't fault a player for taking as much money as he can get since the vast majority of us would do the same thing however, the vast majority of us aren't getting offers where the worst offer is more than enough money to live very comfortably for a lifetime and plenty to leave to family afterwards.

[Celtics17]

Ok, now ask yourself what you would do? Would you go for the glory and stay with the Celtics or would you go for the money and the security that comes with it. I dont care how successful you are at whatever you do, you are not going to make anywhere close to NBA money doing anything else in your life. I realize some do, M.J., Magic, etc. but they are few and far between.

Imagine your boss comes in to your work one day and says "alright guys, I really want you to stay with our company but I can only pay you 75% of what the competition will pay you and sorry but I can't say for sure if we will be in business more then 2 or 3 years". While, at the same time, the company across the street says "hey, we will pay you more and we will defintitely pay you for another year or two at that same scale". Now, multiply that by 100.

[Redz]

Who's to say he won't have as good of a chance for a championship in New Orleans and make more money?  It's not like he left the C's for a team with no talent.  I get the point of the argument, but he's going to a really good team, who, in all likelihood, will be better than the Celtics by the end of Posey's contract.

[billysan]

I think with Posey going to another NBA team is a natural evolution. One owner willing to risk and commit a little more than another for the same player. I think this has very little to do with players opting for Europe. That is a newer phenom that is going to be limited to 2nd or 3rd tier guys for now IMO. Everyone will be watching the Josh Childress scenario very closely to see how it evolves.

Most of these guys have never lived in a different country and even with the 'rich man' status, they will find it is no picnic. Their kids and families will be affected and I promise there will be unhappy folks returning quickly to the U.S. These guys will find they do not 'fit in' and they will be lonely as well.

While I agree this is becoming a global game, one would think the players would look at how the Euro players struggle culturally when coming here. Do they really think the reverse wouldnt be true?

The last part of this is, even with a handfull of 'megarich' teams willing to pay big Euros, there is simply not room for more than a couple of guys to make the 'big money'. It's not like very team in Europe wil outspend the NBA for dozens of players. The market simply isnt that big.

[dark_lord]

trust me, i wish posey stayed here, but i cant fault him for going for stability. this is his last chance to earn a meaningful salary. he earned the money and the extra years other teams werent willing to pay him for.  he has won two titles, i cant knock him.  plus he is going to another really solid team.

"Meaningful salary"?  I think you and I have a much different definition of that term.   Whatever contract he signed after last year would have been more money than he'll spend the rest of his life and his kids' lives.

I can't fault a player for taking as much money as he can get since the vast majority of us would do the same thing however, the vast majority of us aren't getting offers where the worst offer is more than enough money to live very comfortably for a lifetime and plenty to leave to family afterwards.

  yes a meaningful salary in the nba world, which is the topic of discussion, not with regards to the common joe.  obviously they make an obscene amount of money compared to the average person.  he earned a meaningful salary with regards to his peers.  there are plenty of players who earn less and a lot of players who earn more, thus meaningful salary can be applied.

[Steve Weinman]

Who's to say he won't have as good of a chance for a championship in New Orleans and make more money?  It's not like he left the C's for a team with no talent.  I get the point of the argument, but he's going to a really good team, who, in all likelihood, will be better than the Celtics by the end of Posey's contract.

TP well earned, Redz.  I think there's an important distinction to be made between the Childress and Posey signings, and it's that of Childress that is far more relevant to this sort of discussion.

-sw

[Bankshot]

Who's to say he won't have as good of a chance for a championship in New Orleans and make more money?  It's not like he left the C's for a team with no talent.  I get the point of the argument, but he's going to a really good team, who, in all likelihood, will be better than the Celtics by the end of Posey's contract.

Agreed. The Celtics are not the only team with a chance to win a title.

[Vermont Green]

As a fan, I have absolutely no problem with what James Posey did.  I don't think he owes the Celtics anything.  Everything is contract to contract in the NBA, that is just how it works.  From his perspective, he did the right thing.  NO is a good, exciting team who will have a chance for a title every year, just like the Celtics.  He took a better offer.  Had the Celtics been willing to match, he would have stayed I suspect.

From the Celtics perspective, I understand as well.  The worst thing for a team is "dead" salary.  By that I mean paying (or overpaying) for a player who doesn't contribute.  The Celtics were concerned that in 3 or 4 years, Posey's $$ might be dead salary.  Right now, for the first time in a long time, the Celtics have very little dead salary (Scal the possible exception).  Look at all the good teams and look at all the bad teams and compare that to the amount of dead salary.  DA is right to be concerned about this and made a judgment call.

Time will tell how Posey will hold up and how the other Celtic's bench players will contribute.  I don't view this as a watershed event in any way in terms of contract relations and I don't even think this is going to alter either teams' fortunes all that much.  I do look forward to the first Celtics-Hornets game though and I hope he gets a warm welcome from players and fans.

[BballTim]

Im not starting this thread as to knock on J.Posey,but the "Will International Leagues Destroy Salary Cap"thread reminded me of Posey opting for the dough,and giving up playing on a potential 2-3yrs.run at a championship, with the best team in the NBA.If Posey saw grabbing more money instead of all the other things attached to the money,then why wouldn't the trend continue throughout the NBA,from time to time.The Hornets are a team of the future,but until they have won something,its all spectulation.Childress,Posey as we all saw,(jumped ship)with both players  not being superstars,but good enough,to change the course of a team's immediate chemistry.I can see down the road,this league either has to change some rules or we will lose some of  the better players overseas,and teams can't count on "good" players staying longer than their first deal.Losing Posey is still lingering in minds of a lot,even some who don't admit it.Im for one,understand more than i did when it first went down,but im still not so convinced it was the correct thing to do. 

  Posey went to a top 5 team with a young superstar. They aren't a team of the future.

[Chief]

I think the awakening is that Boston is still not a desirable place for NBA FA's. We all thought a chance to win a championship would be enough attract a good FA for less money. Well bottom line, it is not!!!

[footey]

1. Posey embodied sacrifice and selflessness during his one year stint here. He obviously contributed greatly to our championship.

2. Posey was underpaid while a Celtic, and accepted less money to play here last year, because he wanted to play for a champion.

3. The New Orleans Hornets have a legitimate shot to win it all next year. He didn't sign with the Clippers, or the Grizzlies.

[dark_lord]

2. Posey was underpaid while a Celtic, and accepted less money to play here last year, because he wanted to play for a champion.

i agree with this to a certain extent, but i think a big part of his signing here was to earn a good contract following the season.  he signed a one year deal in boston for cheap, with a contender.  his mindset may have been....if i play well here and help win a title, i not only will be a champion, but i will increase my "stock" and earn a good contract for the following season.  i think he was thinking long term, when he signed the one year deal with us.  his plan came to fruition.