Josh Childress signs with Olympiakos of Greece

[guava_wrench]

Atl can only match NBA offers, but their hands are tied if an offer is made from outside the league. A few more defections like this and the concept of a qualifying offer might have to be ditched.

I think the point that Brickowski was making was that Atlanta had the ability to give him any amount of money and chose not to "match" the money that Olympiakos is giving him.  If Josh wanted to stay in America, you'd think he'd go back to the Hawks and say "They want me for this much" and the Hawks would then "match" the money.

Ok. It should have been obvious to me that teams can still negotiate contracts with their own RFAs.

[zerophase]

Fellas this is starting to look like a new era in Basketball. Slowly but surely the euro leagues are starting to attract NBA american born talent over seas. I believe there will be major changes to the way NBA does business in the long run and some type of intergration of a Euro-NBA league championships is imenant I believe. It will would be too profitable for David Stern and the NBA not to get involved with these euro teams some way or another.

It may well be a new era --- but i think there was similar sentiment when Brian Shaw and Danny Ferry "defected" in the early-90s.


Rather than European expansion, which i fear is in the NBA's plans, I think it would behoove the NBA to establish a real 1:1 triple-A farm system, with a resultant expansion of the Salary cap and modification of the salary rookie scale (esp. the restricted FA part).

It would keep the best talent in the NBA, and create more jobs for players like Dee Brown and Anthony Parker to keep them from having to go overseas. I imagine 90% of players would rather stay in the US and  play. for roughly equal money.

i can def see a european expansion. as seen in the road to redeption videos on nba.com the players were in the plane for 9 hours anyways just from los vegas to ny. although the plane ride might pose a threat to people say, on the west coast, it def is easy on the east coast. imagine this: possibily 2 more teams added to the league, based in europe. i mean the raptors seem to be okay based in another country. teams would have a long weekend in their schedule to fly to europe, play a game, and fly back. the only problem would be the european teams who would have to fly back and forth. for this i think they should play a series of like a month of home game in europe, then a series of road games.

[jpd985]

Fellas this is starting to look like a new era in Basketball. Slowly but surely the euro leagues are starting to attract NBA american born talent over seas. I believe there will be major changes to the way NBA does business in the long run and some type of intergration of a Euro-NBA league championships is imenant I believe. It will would be too profitable for David Stern and the NBA not to get involved with these euro teams some way or another.

It may well be a new era --- but i think there was similar sentiment when Brian Shaw and Danny Ferry "defected" in the early-90s.


Rather than European expansion, which i fear is in the NBA's plans, I think it would behoove the NBA to establish a real 1:1 triple-A farm system, with a resultant expansion of the Salary cap and modification of the salary rookie scale (esp. the restricted FA part).

It would keep the best talent in the NBA, and create more jobs for players like Dee Brown and Anthony Parker to keep them from having to go overseas. I imagine 90% of players would rather stay in the US and  play. for roughly equal money.

i can def see a european expansion. as seen in the road to redeption videos on nba.com the players were in the plane for 9 hours anyways just from los vegas to ny. although the plane ride might pose a threat to people say, on the west coast, it def is easy on the east coast. imagine this: possibily 2 more teams added to the league, based in europe. i mean the raptors seem to be okay based in another country. teams would have a long weekend in their schedule to fly to europe, play a game, and fly back. the only problem would be the european teams who would have to fly back and forth. for this i think they should play a series of like a month of home game in europe, then a series of road games.

The regular season would need to be shortened if they do this to make up for the travel time.

[Roy Hobbs]

I got a quick question.  I know it said Childress signed a multi-year contract with Greece, but say he only signed a 1-yr deal.  If he tried to come back to the NBA the next season, would there be any restrictions, i.e. would the Hawks have any rights to him?

Yeah, the Hawks still retain his restricted rights, so long as they extend him a qualifying offer.

[guava_wrench]

I got a quick question.  I know it said Childress signed a multi-year contract with Greece, but say he only signed a 1-yr deal.  If he tried to come back to the NBA the next season, would there be any restrictions, i.e. would the Hawks have any rights to him?

Yeah, the Hawks still retain his restricted rights, so long as they extend him a qualifying offer.

Another qualifying offer? When does the current qualifying offer officially expire?

[Roy Hobbs]

I got a quick question.  I know it said Childress signed a multi-year contract with Greece, but say he only signed a 1-yr deal.  If he tried to come back to the NBA the next season, would there be any restrictions, i.e. would the Hawks have any rights to him?

Yeah, the Hawks still retain his restricted rights, so long as they extend him a qualifying offer.

Another qualifying offer? When does the current qualifying offer officially expire?

March 1.

[Mr October]

Nice move by Childress. If i'm him, i'm thinking, "Screw the Hawks for trying to low ball me."

Hey maybe, he can pickup a steady jump shot playing the Euro game, and come back and get paid in the US in 3 years.

This is a very new, interesting wrinkle in the FA process. I think i like it.

[cordobes]

I was skeptical about this happening, but... well, it did happen. Too much money for Atlanta to match, I guess. Or Childress really wanted to leave the Hawks.

Giannakis must be happy, Childress is the kind of forward he has been looking for: hustle, defense, rebounding, decent inside game. Also, he's a smart kid, good team player, good pass; in principle he'll be good in his system. Should mesh well with Papaloukas and Greer, as well. Strong backcourt, if Childress' adaptation period doesn't endure the entire year. Still, it's a lot of money. If Childress busts, this will become the worst contract in european basketball history. Greek league will be interesting. Curious to see if Giannakopoulos will answer this move.

Anyway, I'm obviously a great fan of the European game, I think it's finally moving in the right direction (but not because of these signings), good steps are being taken, the restructure of the Euroleague is a very good move and will arguably increase substantially the financial power of top European clubs (and hopefully a solid, even if small, continental-wide fanbase), but consider that only a handful of teams in Europe can offer this kind of contracts. Oly, Pao, Barça, Real, maybe Tau. Then there are the Russians teams, but those only have money because of billionaire owners willing to burn rublos; they don't live of the revenue they generate. For example, Delfino will be playing in a gymn with 2.000 people attending the games (and they don't play 82 games per season). So, once again, this is not going to chance the great scheme of things.

I have no idea of what Stern could/should do. Soft the cap even more? That would be terrible to the NBA. Do you really want to see the Knicks winning almost every year?

[TripleOT]

Nice move by Childress. If i'm him, i'm thinking, "Screw the Hawks for trying to low ball me."

Hey maybe, he can pickup a steady jump shot playing the Euro game, and come back and get paid in the US in 3 years.

This is a very new, interesting wrinkle in the FA process. I think i like it.

Childress made only 35 shots outside the paint the entire season, on 112 attempts, a jumper every two games.  He makes Rondo look like Dell Curry.

[Roy Hobbs]

Am I misremembering this, or hasn't there been a problem with some international teams not paying their players the contracted for amounts in the past?  I seem to remember some international players complaining about late payments / never getting paid at all.  I thought this was in Greece, but I could be completely making that part up.

[cordobes]

Am I misremembering this, or hasn't there been a problem with some international teams not paying their players the contracted for amounts in the past?  I seem to remember some international players complaining about late payments / never getting paid at all.  I thought this was in Greece, but I could be completely making that part up.

There are lots of problems of that kind, but not in teams like Olympiakos. Lower divisions, smaller leagues.

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Am I misremembering this, or hasn't there been a problem with some international teams not paying their players the contracted for amounts in the past?  I seem to remember some international players complaining about late payments / never getting paid at all.  I thought this was in Greece, but I could be completely making that part up.

isn't that illegal if you have a binding contract?

[Mr October]

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I have no idea of what Stern could/should do. Soft the cap even more? That would be terrible to the NBA. Do you really want to see the Knicks winning almost every year?

I actually like most of the cap rules. Its the owner/management's fault for over paying guys and crippling their cap space.

2 changes I would like though:

Soften the luxury tax cut off a little.
Also soften some of the trade restrictions, to allow more movement. But not too much. We don't want a series of Gasolesque firesales, where the lower teams loose the talent, and the giant teams get them all.

[Roy Hobbs]

Am I misremembering this, or hasn't there been a problem with some international teams not paying their players the contracted for amounts in the past?  I seem to remember some international players complaining about late payments / never getting paid at all.  I thought this was in Greece, but I could be completely making that part up.

isn't that illegal if you have a binding contract?

Not necessarily illegal (although it could be), but certainly a player could sue for breach of contract.

[guava_wrench]

Atl better sign Smith.