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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2008, 07:43:12 PM »

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why NOT quentin ross?

i know he isnt as big as posey, but he is an excellent defender. he is longer than allen, so he should be able to guard some of the taller sfs than tony. 

i know he had only 21 attempts, but 43% from 3 is good and he can keep imroving.  he just needs to work on that corner 3 and he could be a good bench player for us. 


Like someone said earlier, signing Ross doesnt make sense anymore because the reason we'd sign him is the same reason we just resigned TA, and while you say Ross is an okay 3pt shooter, I think TA could have the ability to give us much more on the offensive end.

Im fine with the roster the way it is right now, I like having that one spot open just in case something comes our way during the year.  However since we have both House and TA back, id be more open to rolling the dice with Darius Miles, especially since he'll sign for the minimum.  Since we have instant offense with House back, TA's defense back, and Powe/Big Baby ready for a bigger role, it becomes a low risk High reward situation with Miles signing here for the minimum, IMO.
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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2008, 08:04:38 PM »

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Quentin Ross is a guy who is a great defender, but has major issues with his offensive game.  Teams sit off of him.  You would be hardpressed to have Rondo and him in the same game at the same time.

Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2008, 08:10:38 PM »

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Quentin Ross is a guy who is a great defender, but has major issues with his offensive game.  Teams sit off of him.  You would be hardpressed to have Rondo and him in the same game at the same time.

LOL this very thing didn't stop Ainge from signing Tony Allen.

Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2008, 09:30:31 PM »

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Tony Allen's midrange game isn't all that bad.  He's not a great outside shooter, but when he's open he can knock shots down.
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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2008, 09:40:41 PM »

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My biggest concern is offense off the bench. I had this concern last year, but was happily relieved when Posey and House provided enough. I dont see it this year unless Giddens gets some decent run and can average 7-8 ppg. I dont buy that Powe/Davis give us enough either.

If I could sign one more guy to the minimum I would consider Miles on a make good if he is healthy enough to pass our physical or a shooter like Herrmann since Nachbar is apparently gone. 8)
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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2008, 09:46:53 PM »

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My biggest concern is offense off the bench. I had this concern last year, but was happily relieved when Posey and House provided enough. I dont see it this year unless Giddens gets some decent run and can average 7-8 ppg. I dont buy that Powe/Davis give us enough either.

If I could sign one more guy to the minimum I would consider Miles on a make good if he is healthy enough to pass our physical or a shooter like Herrmann since Nachbar is apparently gone. 8)
I hopeful that Tony can give more go-to offense from the bench with longer more regular minutes. Use that excellent ability to get to the rim of his to get some more points.

Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2008, 09:48:42 PM »

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I think what we should do is make a sign and trade with the Clippers. We should trade Davis, Scal, Picks for Shaun Livingston and cash. Then we could sign Chris Anderson and Quinon Ross with the remainder of the MLE and more money. That would leave us with:

Perkins/Anderson/O'Bryant
Garnett/Powe
Pierce/TAllen/Ross
RAllen/House/Giddens
Rondo/Livingston/Pruitt

This leaves us with a very deep team with a young core group of players. If this could happen for the Celtics, it would be great.

Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2008, 09:50:41 PM »

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The need is a big - but I don't think Danny sees what I see: A foul prone center with a bum shoulder and, ugh, O'Blount.
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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2008, 09:51:51 PM »

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I think what we should do is make a sign and trade with the Clippers. We should trade Davis, Scal, Picks for Shaun Livingston and cash. Then we could sign Chris Anderson and Quinon Ross with the remainder of the MLE and more money. That would leave us with:

Perkins/Anderson/O'Bryant
Garnett/Powe
Pierce/TAllen/Ross
RAllen/House/Giddens
Rondo/Livingston/Pruitt

This leaves us with a very deep team with a young core group of players. If this could happen for the Celtics, it would be great.

and why do the clippers do this besides bad management?

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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2008, 09:57:47 PM »

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My biggest concern is offense off the bench. I had this concern last year, but was happily relieved when Posey and House provided enough. I dont see it this year unless Giddens gets some decent run and can average 7-8 ppg. I dont buy that Powe/Davis give us enough either.

If I could sign one more guy to the minimum I would consider Miles on a make good if he is healthy enough to pass our physical or a shooter like Herrmann since Nachbar is apparently gone. 8)
I hopeful that Tony can give more go-to offense from the bench with longer more regular minutes. Use that excellent ability to get to the rim of his to get some more points.
I hope Tony gives us some offense as well.
The need is a big - but I don't think Danny sees what I see: A foul prone center with a bum shoulder and, ugh, O'Blount.
I agree Coach, and was lobbying for someone earlier. Even Krstic or Kwame Brown, although my preference was Kurt Thomas. I think Danny/Doc actually consider Davis/Powe/Scalabrine as adequate depth for bigs.

It's mind boggling for me to start the season with Perk and O'Bryant as our only two bigs.

I still would like to see more offense off the bench as well. 8)
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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2008, 10:01:36 PM »

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The need is a big - but I don't think Danny sees what I see: A foul prone center with a bum shoulder and, ugh, O'Blount.
I agree Coach, and was lobbying for someone earlier. Even Krstic or Kwame Brown, although my preference was Kurt Thomas. I think Danny/Doc actually consider Davis/Powe/Scalabrine as adequate depth for bigs.

It's mind boggling for me to start the season with Perk and O'Bryant as our only two bigs. 8)

last years bigs were perk and.......................................well perk.
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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2008, 10:09:19 PM »

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We have one pretty good 7 footer coming back this year and his name is Kevin Garnett.  Now I know that you don't want to go to that well too often but if Perk is in foul trouble, we can play KG at the 5 and let BBD, Powe, or even Scal play the 4.  Against most teams, this would not present much of a match-up problem although it is with some (Cle for example).  I just don't see another big in our future.  It would be nice, but we still need a sixth man (a back up at SF).

Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2008, 10:15:17 PM »

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I think what we should do is make a sign and trade with the Clippers. We should trade Davis, Scal, Picks for Shaun Livingston and cash. Then we could sign Chris Anderson and Quinon Ross with the remainder of the MLE and more money. That would leave us with:

Livingston is a free agent dude, the Clips renounced their rights to him a few weeks ago.  Like I said earlier, trading for Ross after signing TA makes ZERO sense.

also.....even before mentioning the glaring injury risk of signing Livingston, this guy was still unproven before he destroyed his knee.  Do you think its really smart to have an inexperienced point guard thats learning on the job, BACKING UP, another inexperienced PG thats learning on the job?  We were the best team in the NBA last season with Eddie House as our back up PG, we'll be fine.

As far as backup C goes.  Like Buck said, all we had was Perk last year right?  with Powe and BBD as his backup.  We won 66 games with that lineup, unless you want to say PJ's signing in March was a season changer.  I think what most people dont realize is that Powe and BBD are still back up PF's.  Kevin Garnett is more than capable to holding the fort down at Center while Perk is on the bench and Powe plays PF.  
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Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2008, 10:20:08 PM »

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My biggest concern is offense off the bench. I had this concern last year, but was happily relieved when Posey and House provided enough. I dont see it this year unless Giddens gets some decent run and can average 7-8 ppg. I dont buy that Powe/Davis give us enough either.

If I could sign one more guy to the minimum I would consider Miles on a make good if he is healthy enough to pass our physical or a shooter like Herrmann since Nachbar is apparently gone. 8)
I hopeful that Tony can give more go-to offense from the bench with longer more regular minutes. Use that excellent ability to get to the rim of his to get some more points.
I hope Tony gives us some offense as well.
The need is a big - but I don't think Danny sees what I see: A foul prone center with a bum shoulder and, ugh, O'Blount.
I agree Coach, and was lobbying for someone earlier. Even Krstic or Kwame Brown, although my preference was Kurt Thomas. I think Danny/Doc actually consider Davis/Powe/Scalabrine as adequate depth for bigs.

It's mind boggling for me to start the season with Perk and O'Bryant as our only two bigs.

I still would like to see more offense off the bench as well. 8)

Didn't we win 66 games last year with basically Powe and Big Baby as our backup bigs...because Pollard was injured for most of the year and PJ didn't contribute much during the regular season. Powe as a starting center in 3 games last year averaged 13 points and 6.7 rebounds...and in 2 games as a starting pf averaged 16 points and 7 rebounds. Unless Perkins goes down for a prolonged period of time, we are fine with our big rotation. This is not the 90s...the are very few true centers to worry about. You can make due with Powe/Big Baby alongside KG most of the time.

Re: What's left in the cookie jar?
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2008, 10:28:58 PM »

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We have one pretty good 7 footer coming back this year and his name is Kevin Garnett.  Now I know that you don't want to go to that well too often but if Perk is in foul trouble, we can play KG at the 5 and let BBD, Powe, or even Scal play the 4.  Against most teams, this would not present much of a match-up problem although it is with some (Cle for example).  I just don't see another big in our future.  It would be nice, but we still need a sixth man (a back up at SF).

right because our 6th man last year was the backup at sf. when are we gonna give up this pipedream that we have to replace posey with "posey". no chance our 6th man could come from another position right? guess kevin mchale or bill walton wouldnt have made good 6th men...oh wait. why dont we forget the labels and worry about putting together a complete and competent bench that can support the starters and fill their roles. the melodrama and overemphasis on the titles is just silly.

no matter. people doubted us last year. there will be even more doubters this year. i guess some of us should just get used to it.
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