Should we have sold the giddens pick?

[goCeltics]

Is giddens really gonna be any better than your average min vet swingman, this year or any time in the next 4 years? Also giddens will probably cost from my estimation an extra 2 million dollars salary wise over that time frame not taking into account luxury tax considerations. I’m pretty sure if danny thought we were getting bill walker in the 2nd with cash he would have sold the pick. I wonder if he can still sell the pick, although he won’t get as much for it, if he had sold it before we had used it.

[timepiece33]

That's the same argument that Phoenix used with the Rajon Rondo pick.   IMO, you need cheap swingmen AND I'll take Giddens potential over what we'd likely get for the minimum.

I would, however, package him with Glenn Davis to get a hold of Kyle Lowry from Memphis.     

[Cman]

I am actually very happy with the Giddens pick.  I think he is one of the few rookies that can come in to a championship caliber team and contribute right away (sort of the way Rodney Stuckey did for Detroit last year).

[goCeltics]

yeah and the suns did something stupid and signed marcus banks to a 20 million dollar contract or somthing like that, but point taken even though we don't know how well rajon would had developed in phoenix.

[lon3lytoaster]

I didn't like the Giddens pick at first (I wanted Walker, but obviously that turned out anyway) but after reading some stuff and watching video, there would of been no reason to sell this pick. JR Giddens is probably going to play this year, and potentially a lot more than we expected. As of right now, we don't really have a back-up two guard... Enter JR Giddens.

He's just a great, solid all around player. He has some flaws, but everyone does. Selling picks just ruin your franchise in the long run. (Imagine Phoenix with Rajon Rondo.)

[BudweiserCeltic]

There's little reason to sell the pick. Danny would be just as mindful and careful on how he spends the little resources he has to fill out the roster. In fact, he could potentially be even more careful seeing how he'd need more rosters to fill with the same amount of exceptions... so not only would we be one player less with solid potential, we might end up signing lesser players to fill out the roster than what we'll hopefully sign this current offseason as is.

[oldmanspeaks]

I believe that Danny is "playing the odds" by taking two high risk/high reward players in hopes that one will be a "star" on the order of the big 3. They are unlike the D.West,Tony Allen, Powe, Big Baby picks which were high value picks and potentially very solid role players. Giddens and Walker could be really something special because of their athletic promise or busts because of various red flags. I actually think Walker might have even more upside than Giddens but both could be stars. They also can be out of the league in two years. However one becomes a "star", it will be a great payoff. I like this bet because there are two chances to win big.

[BballTim]

Is giddens really gonna be any better than your average min vet swingman, this year or any time in the next 4 years? Also giddens will probably cost from my estimation an extra 2 million dollars salary wise over that time frame not taking into account luxury tax considerations. I’m pretty sure if danny thought we were getting bill walker in the 2nd with cash he would have sold the pick. I wonder if he can still sell the pick, although he won’t get as much for it, if he had sold it before we had used it.

  If they wanted Walker more than they wanted Giddens they would have drafted Walker with the 30th pick.

[zerophase]

Is giddens really gonna be any better than your average min vet swingman, this year or any time in the next 4 years? Also giddens will probably cost from my estimation an extra 2 million dollars salary wise over that time frame not taking into account luxury tax considerations. I’m pretty sure if danny thought we were getting bill walker in the 2nd with cash he would have sold the pick. I wonder if he can still sell the pick, although he won’t get as much for it, if he had sold it before we had used it.

  If they wanted Walker more than they wanted Giddens they would have drafted Walker with the 30th pick.

they did want walker more than giddens... but enter the business side of the nba. due to walker's health issues, they didn't want to guarantee him a contract.

[Roy Hobbs]

Yes, they may have been able to get somebody like Dahntay Jones, or somebody similar, who can contribute as much, if not more, than Giddens this season.

The problem with that strategy, though, is that you're without question sacrificing your future.  If you rely on a strategy where you forgo rookies, and rely only on cheap vets, three years down the line you're left with a team that has no youth, and an aged "big three".  At that point, no free agents want to join the team, and we're limited in our building blocks.

It's good to have low-cost / cost-controlled, high-upside players.  I'm sure Danny assessed the situation and determined that Giddens can help now, and he liked his potential.  That's good enough for me.

[guava_wrench]

Who would buy the pick?

The last pick of the first round is one of the least valuable picks in the draft because it means a guaranteed contract for a borderline player.

Teams would rather have the first few picks of the second round than the last pick of the first.

[Roy Hobbs]

Who would buy the pick?

The last pick of the first round is one of the least valuable picks in the draft because it means a guaranteed contract for a borderline player.

Teams would rather have the first few picks of the second round than the last pick of the first.

You're probably right, but keep in mind that New Orleans was able to sell their pick at #27.  If they could do it, there's a chance the Celtics could have, as well.  I just don't think it would have been a good strategy.

[billysan]

Who would buy the pick?

The last pick of the first round is one of the least valuable picks in the draft because it means a guaranteed contract for a borderline player.

Teams would rather have the first few picks of the second round than the last pick of the first.

You're probably right, but keep in mind that New Orleans was able to sell their pick at #27.  If they could do it, there's a chance the Celtics could have, as well.  I just don't think it would have been a good strategy.

The only time selling that pick would have been realistic is during the actual draft. Then if a team saw a player they liked that had 'slipped', they could grab him before someone else. Now unless a team really wants Giddens, the pick is not very valuable.

[nickagneta]

I think a little patience is in order. We haven't even seen the kid dribble a ball in Waltham yet and we are second guessing taking him over taking no one?

As others have said Danny is looking to hit a home run with either Giddens or Walker or both. I watched two Walker games this year and he was better than Beasley in both of those games. Giddens looks like he has every toolset you would like a kid to have.

Look at it this way. The Spurs pushed Duncan's reign in San Antonio out a bunch of years with just such picks after their first championship. Parker was considered a project and had only been seen against Euro competition. Ginobeli was to be good but not nearlt at the level he plays at. It paid off.

Maybe this pick will too in that type of way. If Giddens becomes a starter in future years that is huge for a 30th pick. If he becomes a star then there's probably a bunch of championships on theway.

[BballTim]

Is giddens really gonna be any better than your average min vet swingman, this year or any time in the next 4 years? Also giddens will probably cost from my estimation an extra 2 million dollars salary wise over that time frame not taking into account luxury tax considerations. I’m pretty sure if danny thought we were getting bill walker in the 2nd with cash he would have sold the pick. I wonder if he can still sell the pick, although he won’t get as much for it, if he had sold it before we had used it.

  If they wanted Walker more than they wanted Giddens they would have drafted Walker with the 30th pick.

they did want walker more than giddens... but enter the business side of the nba. due to walker's health issues, they didn't want to guarantee him a contract.

  You know for a fact that they wanted Walker more than Giddens? Did Ainge or Rivers say that? Because there were 16 picks between Giddens and Walker and Walker could have easily been picked in that time. He obviously wasn't that high a priority for them.