Signing Posey gave C's best chance to win a title. It did?

[nickagneta]

I have read this statement, not verbatum but in context, about a hundred times over the last week or so:

"The Celtics need to resign James Posey because it gives them the best chance at winning another title during their window."

Or something like that.

As the greatest thespian on the planet once said in the movie Philadelphia, "Explain this to me like I'm a four-year-old, okay?"!! Because I don't get it.

Who said that? Hanks? Washington? Banderas?

Denzel, he said it numerous times.

It was his film motto line, sort of like "My man" in American Gangster or "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove." from Training Day.

[Truth Hurts]

Giddens, Walker, and O'Bryant are young chips that Danny wants to develop.

This is my big problem with losing Posey. We are going to contend next year, and we have a lot of young guys rostered right now that are absolutely NOT ready to contribute to a title run. We have no idea what we're going to get from:

O'Blount
Giddens
Walker
Pruitt

We really needed a guy like Posey who is a proven commodity off the bench.

[LarBrd33]

lol i love all the overreactions though.   I have a question for any of the doompeddlers losing their minds over us not overpaying Posey.

The Hornets were a darn good team last year.  They won 56 games and barely lost to the Spurs in 7 games during the 2nd round of the playoffs.  Here's the question... now that they have signed Posey, do you figure they are a lock for the finals?   Seriously... do you look at that team and feel like they just got significantly better and the 2009 title is theirs to lose? 

I sure as heck don't.  Posey is a solid roleplayer, but this really doesn't change my impression of the Hornets.   Then why does everyone freak out like we just gave away the title by not overpaying the role player? 

We'll find a way to replace his production and we'll be fine.

[nickagneta]

Giddens, Walker, and O'Bryant are young chips that Danny wants to develop.

This is my big problem with losing Posey. We are going to contend next year, and we have a lot of young guys rostered right now that are absolutely NOT ready to contribute to a title run. We have no idea what we're going to get from:

O'Blount
Giddens
Walker
Pruitt

We really needed a guy like Posey who is a proven commodity off the bench.

Is Kurt Thomas a proven guy off the bench? If the Celtics signed him, KG would only ever have to play PF instead of so much time at C. Powe and Davis could relieve him for the remainder of the PF minutes. That leaves Pierce playing his 36 -38 MPG at SF which leaves just 10-12 minutes per game of Posey's 24 MPG left to fill. Bill Walker as a rookie or a cheap fillin like Barnes or Wells can fill in the rest.

Posey played 24 MPG last year about 13 MPG at PF and 11 MPG at SF. So in essence you are filling in Posey's minutes with a combo of 13 minutes of KG, Powe, and Davis all who no longer have to play center and 11 minutes of Walker and a free agent.

So Posey's bench presence is replaced almost exclusively by proven bench people or KG with the possible exception of the few minutes Walker picks up.

To properly replace Posey the Celtics do not have to get a Posey replication.

[LarBrd33]

Giddens, Walker, and O'Bryant are young chips that Danny wants to develop.

This is my big problem with losing Posey. We are going to contend next year, and we have a lot of young guys rostered right now that are absolutely NOT ready to contribute to a title run. We have no idea what we're going to get from:

O'Blount
Giddens
Walker
Pruitt

We really needed a guy like Posey who is a proven commodity off the bench.

Is Kurt Thomas a proven guy off the bench. If the Celtics signed him, KG would only ever have to play PF instead of so much time at C. Powe and Davis could relieve him for the remainder of the PF minutes. That leaves Pierce playing his 36 -38 MPG at SF which leaves just 10-12 minutes per game of Posey's 29 MPG left to fill. A Walker as a rookie or a cheap fillin like Barnes or Wells can fill in the rest.

Posey played 24 MPG last year about 13 MPG at PF and 11 MPG at SF. So in essence you are filling in Posey's minutes with a combo of 13 minutes of KG, Powe, and Davis all who no longer have to play center and 11 minutes of Walker and a free agent.

So Posey's bench presence is replaced almost exclusively by proven bench people with the possible exception of the few minutes Walker picks up.

To properly replace Posey the Celtics do not have to get a Posey replication.

Yeah honestly Powe was fantastic off the bench last year and really deserved more minutes anyways.  This will all work out fine.

[bobbiemcgee]

No Posey, NO Title....Ainge said that...he was right...Good luck James

[CoachBo]

Giddens, Walker, and O'Bryant are young chips that Danny wants to develop.

This is my big problem with losing Posey. We are going to contend next year, and we have a lot of young guys rostered right now that are absolutely NOT ready to contribute to a title run. We have no idea what we're going to get from:

O'Blount
Giddens
Walker
Pruitt

We really needed a guy like Posey who is a proven commodity off the bench.

You know, "developing young chips" is the hyperbole we used to get when this franchise really stunk on the floor. Starting to get that "who cares?" vibe from this ownership again.

Kinda makes you wonder if one title is all this ownership had in mind last summer.

[acieEarl]

lol i love all the overreactions though.   I have a question for any of the doompeddlers losing their minds over us not overpaying Posey.

The Hornets were a darn good team last year.  They won 56 games and barely lost to the Spurs in 7 games during the 2nd round of the playoffs.  Here's the question... now that they have signed Posey, do you figure they are a lock for the finals?   Seriously... do you look at that team and feel like they just got significantly better and the 2009 title is theirs to lose? 

I sure as heck don't.  Posey is a solid roleplayer, but this really doesn't change my impression of the Hornets.   Then why does everyone freak out like we just gave away the title by not overpaying the role player? 

We'll find a way to replace his production and we'll be fine.

I'd woulda like to see us sign Posey but I agree with Danny on sticking to his 2-3 years only and not giving him the 4th. Posey may or may not put NO over the top. I would have like to see the same team come back but it not going to happen. We could still win another championship but I would have felt better with Posey as our 6th man.

[Chief]

I have read this statement, not verbatum but in context, about a hundred times over the last week or so:

"The Celtics need to resign James Posey because it gives them the best chance at winning another title during their window."

Or something like that.

As the greatest thespian on the planet once said in the movie Philadelphia, "Explain this to me like I'm a four-year-old, okay?"!! Because I don't get it.

Who said that? Hanks? Washington? Banderas?

Denzel, he said it numerous times.

It was his film motto line, sort of like "My man" in American Gangster or "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove." from Training Day.

Sounds like you got a man crush on Denzel.

[celticpride07]

im sick of people saying that we cant win a championship without posey.  The day we got ray allen and kevin garnett was the day i knew we would win the championship.  It did not matter who we were going to get for bench players.  All that matters is that we have the BIG 3 and we can put any decent role players on the bench and we have the best shot to win a championship. BIG 3 wins championships!! Posey was just a role player who is easily replaceable..

[TheReaLPuba]

Posey definitely makes the Hornets the favorites out West.

They just got a bench and their young team will be improved experience wise.

C's on the hand haven't signed anyone of significance and are in danger of losing House, TA, and Cassell.

At this point the C's that won #17 are a better team than the roster right now. I don't think what is left out there in FA will be enough to equal that team. Can we still win a title? Sure....its it going to be easier?

Absolutely the contrary.

[johnnyrondo]

Giddens, Walker, and O'Bryant are young chips that Danny wants to develop.

This is my big problem with losing Posey. We are going to contend next year, and we have a lot of young guys rostered right now that are absolutely NOT ready to contribute to a title run. We have no idea what we're going to get from:

O'Blount
Giddens
Walker
Pruitt

We really needed a guy like Posey who is a proven commodity off the bench.

You know, "developing young chips" is the hyperbole we used to get when this franchise really stunk on the floor. Starting to get that "who cares?" vibe from this ownership again.

Kinda makes you wonder if one title is all this ownership had in mind last summer.

Well Wyc is trying to buy the LA Kings, so maybe he wants another title, just not in basketball

[cordobes]

Giddens, Walker, and O'Bryant are young chips that Danny wants to develop.

This is my big problem with losing Posey. We are going to contend next year, and we have a lot of young guys rostered right now that are absolutely NOT ready to contribute to a title run. We have no idea what we're going to get from:

O'Blount
Giddens
Walker
Pruitt

We really needed a guy like Posey who is a proven commodity off the bench.

Is Kurt Thomas a proven guy off the bench? If the Celtics signed him, KG would only ever have to play PF instead of so much time at C. Powe and Davis could relieve him for the remainder of the PF minutes. That leaves Pierce playing his 36 -38 MPG at SF which leaves just 10-12 minutes per game of Posey's 24 MPG left to fill. Bill Walker as a rookie or a cheap fillin like Barnes or Wells can fill in the rest.

Posey played 24 MPG last year about 13 MPG at PF and 11 MPG at SF. So in essence you are filling in Posey's minutes with a combo of 13 minutes of KG, Powe, and Davis all who no longer have to play center and 11 minutes of Walker and a free agent.

So Posey's bench presence is replaced almost exclusively by proven bench people or KG with the possible exception of the few minutes Walker picks up.

To properly replace Posey the Celtics do not have to get a Posey replication.

Nick, with all due respect, I have lots of problems with this analysis. I think you are assuming some wrong premisses. For example, this stats-based statement - Posey played 24 MPG last year about 13 MPG at PF and 11 MPG at SF - is simply inaccurate. Let me play Socrates a little bit here: in your scenario, who's Ray's backup? Walker, who plays more like a PF than a SF? Barnes, who's already slow for a SF?

[Nerf DPOY]

Posey definitely makes the Hornets the favorites out West.

They just got a bench and their young team will be improved experience wise.

C's on the hand haven't signed anyone of significance and are in danger of losing House, TA, and Cassell.

At this point the C's that won #17 are a better team than the roster right now. I don't think what is left out there in FA will be enough to equal that team. Can we still win a title? Sure....its it going to be easier?

Absolutely the contrary.

I loved the Posey signing last year but he's replaceable. Ricky Davis doesn't offer the D but makes up for it in other facets like playmaking, which will be sorely needed should we send Eddie House out again as the backup point. Also, I have a shirt with Davis's name on the back which will once again become relevant. We get Ricky back, and King Kong ain't got nothin' on us.

[celticpride07]

ricky davis would be the perfect sixth man...he can give both allen and pierce breaks...its almost certain that his defense will improve with KG and the new celtic defense..ricky d was an amazing sixth man for us before and he can do it again.