Please explain Matt Barnes

[Mr October]

All posters who are calling for Matt Barns to join the C's, please explain why?

Why is Matt Barns at the top of your free agent wish list?

Will he have any success on a non-Nellie team? Is he really worth $3 million per year?

[Mr October]

ok, no response... I'll start.

He is an energy guy, and fairly quick at 6-7.

In my book that still not worth $3/year. I want a skill to go with that.

[Chief]

All posters who are calling for Matt Barns to join the C's, please explain why?

Why is Matt Barns at the top of your free agent wish list?

Will he have any success on a non-Nellie team? Is he really worth $3 million per year?

He plays pretty big in big games. In his 1 appearance in the playoffs he played very well. In 11 games here are his stats:


Matt Barnes 2006-2007
gms: 11
3ptmade 19
FG% .450 
3P% .422 
FT% .722 
MP  29.9
PTS 11.1
TRB 5.7
AST 2.4

James Posey (playoffs 2007-2008)

gms: 26
3ptmade 35
FG% .437
3P% .398
FT% .875
MP  22.0
PTS 6.7
TRB 3.6
AST 1.1

Pretty close

Watch this video. Does it remind you of anyone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNcIgrTTt7g&feature=related


     

[twistedrico]

Matt Barnes would be a great addition as long as we don't overpay him.  Excellent defender, Hustles all over the court, good teammate.  He had some personal problems last year, but I would take a chance on him.

[Mr October]

He looks like he'd be a good small ball 4, with the ability to hit 3's fairly well.

But is he clutch with his jumper in end game situations any where near Posey's level? Or is he a pile it on kind of guy when the team is rolling?

Can he move his feet laterally well enough to defend small forwards? I haven't heard anything about his defense. GS wasn't known for it in general.

I'm not adamantly against him. I'm just skeptical and I want to know more about him. 

[Cman]

He plays pretty big in big games. In his 1 appearance in the playoffs he played very well. In 11 games here are his stats:


Matt Barnes 2006-2007
gms: 11
3ptmade 19
FG% .450 
3P% .422 
FT% .722 
MP  29.9
PTS 11.1
TRB 5.7
AST 2.4

James Posey (playoffs 2007-2008)

gms: 26
3ptmade 35
FG% .437
3P% .398
FT% .875
MP  22.0
PTS 6.7
TRB 3.6
AST 1.1
     

This is a good point and one I had forgotten -- he was pretty big in the GSW series against Dallas and Utah last year.  Had good poise.  I like the guy, and like his scrappines; I just can't shake the feeling that he is a product of the Nellie system....

[Mr October]

Matt Barnes would be a great addition as long as we don't overpay him.  Excellent defender, Hustles all over the court, good teammate.  He had some personal problems last year, but I would take a chance on him.

What would be overpaying him?

I'm into him, as long as he doesn't interfere with another possible pickup with portions of the MLE. The vet min would be ideal. $2 million/year could work, depending on how the rest of the bench takes shape.

We already have a nice rotation at the 4: KG, Powe and Baby. Can Barnes really play small forward? Does he have the handle, lateral foot speed needed.

[Chief]

If watched him play since his Sacramento days and he is a natural 3. Plus, the guys is only 28 yrs old. Sign him to a 4 year Scalabrine type deal so this team can develop some long term chemistry while KG is here.

[PRIDE]

I think Barnes would be more of a stop gap signing. I don't think hes a long term solution. I think you give him a deal similar to Posey's. A two year deal with a player or team option on the second year.

I don't think its smart to offer a guy a long contract if you dont know how well he'll fit with the team.


I've heard a few posters call him a Punk...what gives?

[wdleehi]

He is a slow 3.  A small 4.


He works in that uptempo offense that GS runs as a PF.



I have never seen him look good in a half court offense. I have never seen him play good D.  




He is Scali with a better shot, but without the defense.  

[cordobes]

He looks like he'd be a good small ball 4, with the ability to hit 3's fairly well.

I disagree here. He shot the 3 well in a single season during his all career. Take that season out and he's a mediocre 3pt shooter - 27%, hitting 12 3's per season. Last season he shot 29%. Scalabrine is a better 3pt shooter than him. The "Barnes is a good shooter" is a fairy-tale.

But is he clutch with his jumper in end game situations any where near Posey's level? Or is he a pile it on kind of guy when the team is rolling?

Who knows? He played like 10 playoff games during his entire career. Not someone who'll bring you experience and veteran leadership.

Can he move his feet laterally well enough to defend small forwards? I haven't heard anything about his defense. GS wasn't known for it in general.

Depends on the small forwards. Not the quicker ones. He's more an enforcer and a hustle guy than a stopper.

[CoachBo]

Good summary. Barnes isn't remotely close to an adequate replacement for what Posey gave this club. If he's all Danny's got, then this summer will become even more reminiscent of the "asset giveaway" summers of years past.

[jdub1660]

Alright. Now that Posey has ran off for more money(as expected) it's time to take the Matt Barnes possibility seriously. He'd be perfect for Boston. His numbers show up as seen early in the blog. Just like I said last night, he had a nasty dunk in the playoffs in Dallas a year back, which turned out to be on Dirk. Awesome dunk, and it's exactly what we need. Energy off the bench. someone that will try and succeed in dunking on someone or hitting a big 3. He and Tony Allen could both come in and both be dunking threats. It would be great. Maybe even add the Birdman in that mix...

[cordobes]

Ok, I think people are overrating a couple of playoffs series when evaluating Matt Barnes.

Here's what Warriors fans are saying about him:

Has anyone heard any news about him. I haven't heard anything. Do you think he will have a team next year?

He sucks...

Seems like a perfect candidate for a team looking to add a guy at the end of the offseason after all the guys they really wanted have been signed.

i think he comes back at league minimum to take the 15th spot.

I don't think there are minutes for Barnes here next season. Even if he was on the roster as a 14th or 15th man, that's not what he wants and not what Nellie wants for him.

I'd say he'd make a good 12th man (might even win 12th man of the year award) but first let's see who the other 11 are before signing him.

He was part of the glue of the team when beating the Mavs in the 1st round of playoffs last year.
He's a good personality for the team, and he did give us an extra ball carrier at times and also came through on rebounding on a few occasions, he's also a streak shooter that can be really hot at times.

Basically I like the guy, but I like the potential in the youngsters more.

Yeah I totally agree on second thought. He'd be fine only as a backup to play if someone is out.

I wouldn't be shocked if it had something to do with his off the court antics. He seems like a HUGE party guy.

Its one thing if you are Baron Davis or S-Jax and you go out and party, bc you still are going to produce and you are signed up to make tons of money in a long term contract. If you are Matt Barnes, impending FA and inconsistent career journeyman, it doesn't really fly.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=825453&sid=b581575b660d24bc8bf9e2f03d37eddd

Basically, Barnes is for the Warriors fans what Scalabrine if for us - someone you want in your team as an end of the bench backup guy. He had a decent season and two great playoff series in 07, but we're talking about a couple of months of good basketball after 5 years in the league.

He's just not that good, guys.

[Potapenko Boxout]

Alright. Now that Posey has ran off for more money(as expected) it's time to take the Matt Barnes possibility seriously. He'd be perfect for Boston. His numbers show up as seen early in the blog. Just like I said last night, he had a nasty dunk in the playoffs in Dallas a year back, which turned out to be on Dirk. Awesome dunk, and it's exactly what we need. Energy off the bench. someone that will try and succeed in dunking on someone or hitting a big 3. He and Tony Allen could both come in and both be dunking threats. It would be great. Maybe even add the Birdman in that mix...

i dont think a guy who can dunk once in the playoffs is what we need. resign TA, and if we can't find anyone fiscally viable it's starting to look like we need to stand pat.