Are we setting up for 2010??

[dcsceltics]

As of right now, the only Celtics players under contract for that offseason are Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Kendrick Perkins, and probably Rondo. That adds up to about $44M, that leaves about 28 million available. With the O'Bryant signing for two years, he will be gone by 2010. And they are saying that we are only offering Posey 2 years. IMO I think that we are setting up for the 2010 offseason to possibly land Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Chris Bosh, or Amare Stoudemire. Just imagine our future if we land one of those players. In the future we could have Perkins, Rondo, probably Powe, Walker, Giddens, and Pruitt as well. And add one of them players to the mix, we have an excellent future. Danny just might be setting up for this...

[rondofan1255]

I think so, why else offer Posey the ludicrous 2 year deal? Obviously, he is planning to try to avoid  rebuilding if it's possible, and go for the gold in 2010 (As are NJ and NY).

[Kwhit10]

I have a feeling most players are going to resign with their own team, maybe 1 or 2 (of the big named)players actually switching teams.  I hope we aren't building up for a huge let down.

[PJ Martinez]

The two-year offer to Posey does seem curious (three seems much more reasonable), and it does have me wondering whether Danny is thinking about 2010.

But is 28 million really enough to land one of those bigshots + fill out the roster? They may only have four guys under contract... they still need to sign ~seven more in addition to the hypothetical big fish.

Then again, the NBA salary cap is baffling to me, so maybe there are some nuances here I don't understand.

(On the other hand, if I'm right, are there some highly attractive second-tier FAs in 2010?)

[Dybdal]

No one knows for sure! the recent rumors and signing's could hint that as a posibility but there is one thing that makes it a posibility and thats Ray Allen's Contract witch is up in 09 (and most likely rondo's contract aswell)

What happens with those two contracts will be the biggest tell in what the franchise wants to do for the 2010 offseason.

But man o man, the 2009 offseason i will bet my left leg on will be a crazy offseason, with some really eyebrow raising moves to make cap room.

[Roy Hobbs]

Here's what I wrote in the Free Agency FAQ:

13) Looking at the above chart, it looks like the Celtics only have around $49 million in salaries committed for 2010.  If the cap goes up to around $65 million, does that mean they can spend $16 million on free agents?  Could they then resign Ray Allen with their Bird rights?

No and no.  Surprising to many, free agents continue to count against a team's salary cap until they're either signed or renounced.  This is called a "cap hold".  Free agents essentially count against the cap at a figure greater than their previous salary.

The amount of these cap holds varies significantly; for actual percentages, see here.  For purposes of the Celtics, Ray Allen would have a cap hold in excess of $20 million.  While the team could renounce Ray, if they did so they would only be able to pay him the minimum salary.

Of even more significance is the cap hold of Rajon Rondo.  As a restricted free agent, he carries a cap hold of 300% of his previous salary, or approximately $6.3 million.  Thus, under the above scenario, the Celtics actual cap room would be approximately $10 million, rather than the $16 million anticipated.  Further, there would be additional salary slots or cap holds for any other players on the roster.  Long story short, unless we're starting over with ten or more new players, we don't have significant cap room in 2010-11, even if we renounce Ray.

So, with four players on our roster (and Ray Allen renounced), we'd have maybe $10 million in cap room.  Also, teams must have 12 players on their roster; for every player less than 12, the team is charged a "cap charge" equal to the rookie minimum salary ($457,588 in 2010).  That's equal to $3,660,704.

So, all total, we're looking at right around $6.4 million in cap room, or an amount roughly equal to the MLE.  That's if we renounce *all* of the free agents from our roster.  So, we'd be essentially a team with four starters, potentially J.R. Giddens, and a bunch of new guys, all for $6.4 million in cap space.

In other words, no, we're not positioned well for 2010.

[Roy Hobbs]

Also, where do you get $28 million from?  I can't imagine the cap will be more than $65 million.

[dcsceltics]

The two-year offer to Posey does seem curious (three seems much more reasonable), and it does have me wondering whether Danny is thinking about 2010.

But is 28 million really enough to land one of those bigshots + fill out the roster? They may only have four guys under contract... they still need to sign ~seven more in addition to the hypothetical big fish.

Then again, the NBA salary cap is baffling to me, so maybe there are some nuances here I don't understand.

(On the other hand, if I'm right, are there some highly attractive second-tier FAs in 2010?)

I was looking at the realgm 2010 free agents and the unrestricted free agent 2nd tier players are Pau Gasol, Yao Ming, Richard Jefferson, Tyson Chandler, Morris Peterson, Peja Stojokavic, Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, Zach Randolph, Samuel Dalembert, and DeShawn Stevenson.

[dcsceltics]

Also, where do you get $28 million from?  I can't imagine the cap will be more than $65 million.

I don't know, on hoopshype, it says our salary for next year is around $71M.

[Roy Hobbs]

Also, where do you get $28 million from?  I can't imagine the cap will be more than $65 million.

I don't know, on hoopshype, it says our salary for next year is around $71M.

Yeah, but our payroll is over the salary cap.  The salary cap this season, for instance, is $58.7 million.  Our payroll is around $73 million currently.

See here for answers to some of these salary related questions.

[blazingarrow]

Here's what I wrote in the Free Agency FAQ:

13) Looking at the above chart, it looks like the Celtics only have around $49 million in salaries committed for 2010.  If the cap goes up to around $65 million, does that mean they can spend $16 million on free agents?  Could they then resign Ray Allen with their Bird rights?

No and no.  Surprising to many, free agents continue to count against a team's salary cap until they're either signed or renounced.  This is called a "cap hold".  Free agents essentially count against the cap at a figure greater than their previous salary.

The amount of these cap holds varies significantly; for actual percentages, see here.  For purposes of the Celtics, Ray Allen would have a cap hold in excess of $20 million.  While the team could renounce Ray, if they did so they would only be able to pay him the minimum salary.

Of even more significance is the cap hold of Rajon Rondo.  As a restricted free agent, he carries a cap hold of 300% of his previous salary, or approximately $6.3 million.  Thus, under the above scenario, the Celtics actual cap room would be approximately $10 million, rather than the $16 million anticipated.  Further, there would be additional salary slots or cap holds for any other players on the roster.  Long story short, unless we're starting over with ten or more new players, we don't have significant cap room in 2010-11, even if we renounce Ray.

So, with four players on our roster (and Ray Allen renounced), we'd have maybe $10 million in cap room.  Also, teams must have 12 players on their roster; for every player less than 12, the team is charged a "cap charge" equal to the rookie minimum salary ($457,588 in 2010).  That's equal to $3,660,704.

So, all total, we're looking at right around $6.4 million in cap room, or an amount roughly equal to the MLE.  That's if we renounce *all* of the free agents from our roster.  So, we'd be essentially a team with four starters, potentially J.R. Giddens, and a bunch of new guys, all for $6.4 million in cap space.

In other words, no, we're not positioned well for 2010.

Buzz kill


Thanks a lot dude

[Fan from VT]

Here's what I wrote in the Free Agency FAQ:

13) Looking at the above chart, it looks like the Celtics only have around $49 million in salaries committed for 2010.  If the cap goes up to around $65 million, does that mean they can spend $16 million on free agents?  Could they then resign Ray Allen with their Bird rights?

No and no.  Surprising to many, free agents continue to count against a team's salary cap until they're either signed or renounced.  This is called a "cap hold".  Free agents essentially count against the cap at a figure greater than their previous salary.

The amount of these cap holds varies significantly; for actual percentages, see here.  For purposes of the Celtics, Ray Allen would have a cap hold in excess of $20 million.  While the team could renounce Ray, if they did so they would only be able to pay him the minimum salary.

Of even more significance is the cap hold of Rajon Rondo.  As a restricted free agent, he carries a cap hold of 300% of his previous salary, or approximately $6.3 million.  Thus, under the above scenario, the Celtics actual cap room would be approximately $10 million, rather than the $16 million anticipated.  Further, there would be additional salary slots or cap holds for any other players on the roster.  Long story short, unless we're starting over with ten or more new players, we don't have significant cap room in 2010-11, even if we renounce Ray.

So, with four players on our roster (and Ray Allen renounced), we'd have maybe $10 million in cap room.  Also, teams must have 12 players on their roster; for every player less than 12, the team is charged a "cap charge" equal to the rookie minimum salary ($457,588 in 2010).  That's equal to $3,660,704.

So, all total, we're looking at right around $6.4 million in cap room, or an amount roughly equal to the MLE.  That's if we renounce *all* of the free agents from our roster.  So, we'd be essentially a team with four starters, potentially J.R. Giddens, and a bunch of new guys, all for $6.4 million in cap space.

In other words, no, we're not positioned well for 2010.

Come on Roy, keep the dream alive! we are not positioned well for 2010 FREE AGENCY. Play our cards right and we could be positioned well for 2010. For instance, trade Ray in '09 for one of the desirable free agents if the team would lose him anyway, and we'd have bird rights on him and rondo. Extend Powe and Pruitt at a reasonable level, and he'd be here. So we could potentially have KG, Pierce, Perk and any rookies still under contract, then go over the cap to sign rondo and the nice guy we traded ray for by using bird rights, then have the MLE to fill out the roster.

[Surferdad]

Nonsense.  The only rational thing to do is set up for 2008.  Any number of things could happen by 2010 inclusing a major injury and almost certainly a trade or two.  IMO, Wyc realizes that being over the luxury tax threshold in OK (within reason) because of the collateral revenue streams that come from winning championships.  Call me simple-minded.

[lon3lytoaster]

We're not really going to be able to get any marquee free agent. It's just not realistic, Ray's going to expire but then we'll have to give Rajon an extension and I can't imagine him getting anything under 8M/year and possibly more with some more improving.

However, I still wouldn't 100% rule out someone like a Dwayne Wade in a year or two. We could still potentially trade Ray's contract and younger players (Powe, Perk, Pruitt, Walker, or maybe even Rajon) for Wade if it becomes apparent he wants to leave Miami.

[zerophase]

ehh, i doubt even Danny the great is THAT genius.