A final reminder about James Posey before we possibly lose him

[acieEarl]

Here's a crazy idea. We bring back the same team that won 66 games and a NBA world championship. Yes we are most likely going to lose, TA, Cassell, PJ Brown, maybe House, but Danny will fill the holes. Remember how bad our bench was suppose to be at this time last year? Sign Posey, try to sign House,(not many better alternatives), maybe bring back TA for the cheap. Giddens maybe a keeper but I don't see him getting too many minutes, then again if we continue to blow teams out he may get the minutes.

This team is set for the next 3 years barring injury. Let them bring us 18.

[cordobes]

The NBA is a business, and Danny can't let sentimentality overshadow his responsibility to the franchise.

There is, of course, a price to be placed on leadership, experience, and chemistry.  It will be up to Danny to determine what that price is.  I'm not sure that it's a five year, $40 million contract.

I think we are focusing too much in the intangibles. In my view, the problem is that there isn't nobody out there who can offer the same "tangibles" that Posey brings to the table (to this team, considering how its built, not in abstract).

[Roy Hobbs]

The NBA is a business, and Danny can't let sentimentality overshadow his responsibility to the franchise.

There is, of course, a price to be placed on leadership, experience, and chemistry.  It will be up to Danny to determine what that price is.  I'm not sure that it's a five year, $40 million contract.

I think we are focusing too much in the intangibles. In my view, the problem is that there isn't nobody out there who can offer the same "tangibles" that Posey brings to the table (to this team, considering how its built, not in abstract).

Well, it depends upon whether defense is seen as tangible.  In terms of offensive production, Posey isn't irreplaceable.  Bonzi Wells could replace Posey's scoring and rebounding easily enough, and he's not bad defensively, either.  He's not quite as good shooting threes, but he's not terrible, either.

James Jones had similar production to Posey last year in terms of scoring and shooting.

Mickael Pietrus' tangible numbers aren't that far off.  Matt Barnes is in the same ballpark.

No, I think with Posey you really do need to look at all the other things he brings (toughness, chemistry, leadership, clutchness) and try to put a price on that. 

[cdif911]

Yeah it will flat ruin my summer if we don't resign him. I am not kidding. I'll feel a lot like we had the title taken away.

thats a little extreme, the title was and is awesome... honestly if the team falls flat on its face next year (highly doubted) I'd still be happy I was able to experience a long awaited Celtics title

[Casperian]

Roy, I could not agree with you more. The team got into this mess before because they didn't look forward enough. Danny would love to have Poz on the roster, but there is a figure they cannot touch. I think he has his eyes on 2010.

I trust Danny!

Don´t you think that bad Trades and Draft Picks (and two unexpected Deaths) had a little bit to do with the mess this franchise was in?

[drogbagarnett]

Well, it depends upon whether defense is seen as tangible.  In terms of offensive production, Posey isn't irreplaceable.  Bonzi Wells could replace Posey's scoring and rebounding easily enough, and he's not bad defensively, either.  He's not quite as good shooting threes, but he's not terrible, either.

James Jones had similar production to Posey last year in terms of scoring and shooting.

Mickael Pietrus' tangible numbers aren't that far off.  Matt Barnes is in the same ballpark.

No, I think with Posey you really do need to look at all the other things he brings (toughness, chemistry, leadership, clutchness) and try to put a price on that. 

I think the biggest, most valuable and most difficult to replace intangible that Posey brings is his CLUNTCHNESS...
We can find good defenders not too bad shooting threes...
We can find tough players.
We can find people that could fit the chemistry of the team (pretty easy to fit in when a team has a good chemistry at his core)
We can find players with leadership
But what we can't get that easily out there is cluntchness!!!!
Players with cold blood that will overperform late in the 4th and are reliable to hit 3 point daggers, cluntch three throws, make a decisive stop, steal or dive to wrap up a game...
That is SUPER valuable...
And none of the name I'm hearing so far have this but Posey !
I actually see Pietrus better suited for us than Maguette for his defense, 3-point %, and explosiness to the basket... but none of Pietrus, Maguette, or whoever you can find available as a free agent this year have Posey's CLUNTCHNESS !!!
That's where is value is to me...
Please do whatever is possible to bring back James Posey...

[cordobes]

The NBA is a business, and Danny can't let sentimentality overshadow his responsibility to the franchise.

There is, of course, a price to be placed on leadership, experience, and chemistry.  It will be up to Danny to determine what that price is.  I'm not sure that it's a five year, $40 million contract.

I think we are focusing too much in the intangibles. In my view, the problem is that there isn't nobody out there who can offer the same "tangibles" that Posey brings to the table (to this team, considering how its built, not in abstract).

Well, it depends upon whether defense is seen as tangible.  In terms of offensive production, Posey isn't irreplaceable.  Bonzi Wells could replace Posey's scoring and rebounding easily enough, and he's not bad defensively, either.  He's not quite as good shooting threes, but he's not terrible, either.

James Jones had similar production to Posey last year in terms of scoring and shooting.

Mickael Pietrus' tangible numbers aren't that far off.  Matt Barnes is in the same ballpark.

No, I think with Posey you really do need to look at all the other things he brings (toughness, chemistry, leadership, clutchness) and try to put a price on that. 

Yes, it mostly a question of semantics: I see things as defense, versatility and even consistency as tangibles, although difficult to be translated statistically.

And I'm not sure if Bonzi could replace Posey offensively, in spite of being a better offensive player. I mean, who would you rather having taking spot-up long-range catch'n'shoot jumpers, setting screens or passing to/from the post? I think we can't analyze what a player brings to our offense without considering what he need, the offensive systems we run, and the guys who are the starters. One of our wingers is basically  a weakside player and I can't see this changing drastically as long as Rondo doesn't develop a reliable jumper.

I think Jones would do well, but Posey is a better defender than him and essentially can guard a wider range of players. Pietrus is not in the same league when it comes to defense (although he's decent), and I bet he leads the league in stats like "outbound steps" and "failed cross screen switches". Barnes is not a one-on-one lockdown defender, he's more a gambler and an enforcer and he only shot the 3's above 30% once in his career, probably a fluke. Nah, I don't think it's that easy.

[dooyork]

I think the biggest, most valuable and most difficult to replace intangible that Posey brings is his CLUNTCHNESS...
We can find good defenders not too bad shooting threes...
We can find tough players.
We can find people that could fit the chemistry of the team (pretty easy to fit in when a team has a good chemistry at his core)
We can find players with leadership
But what we can't get that easily out there is cluntchness!!!!
Players with cold blood that will overperform late in the 4th and are reliable to hit 3 point daggers, cluntch three throws, make a decisive stop, steal or dive to wrap up a game...
That is SUPER valuable...
And none of the name I'm hearing so far have this but Posey !
I actually see Pietrus better suited for us than Maguette for his defense, 3-point %, and explosiness to the basket... but none of Pietrus, Maguette, or whoever you can find available as a free agent this year have Posey's CLUNTCHNESS !!!
That's where is value is to me...
Please do whatever is possible to bring back James Posey...

Agree 100%.  It's hard to point to one player on the Cs this year who was bigger in cluntchtime than Posey.  A lot of people are pointing to his stats, but that's not really the true measure of him as a player, even counting his defensive numbers, steals, rebounds, etc.  Posey is all about intangibles, he is a proven winner.  He is the definition of cluntch.

[Roy Hobbs]

It's hard to point to one player on the Cs this year who was bigger in cluntchtime than Posey. 

Ray Allen.

(It wasn't that hard. )