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Re: Celtics workout Darius Miles....And the he looks good ?!?!?!?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2008, 11:08:01 AM »

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Nice video mix.  Too bad Miles did all that on teams averaging over 50 losses in a season. 

I'll take him as a 15th man on a vet minimum contract, I guess.  If he could reclaim his love for basketball, and put aside all the foolishness that has marked his career, that is.

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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2008, 11:09:49 AM »

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If he can physically play I think he'd be worth a look at the vet minimum.

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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2008, 11:37:11 AM »

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I don't want him on the Celtics. He has no outside shot, he hasn't been healthy and he is quite the knuckle head. I would prefer that they go after some other guys. Just one man's opinion. Vets can only keep guys in check for so long especially a guy with his checkered past.

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2008, 11:45:43 AM »

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there are too many "ifs" with him: health, attitude, overall poor playing and decision making abilities.
I would not risk signing him. Also, by this point in his career, he should be considered a "veteran" player. he's been in the league for a few years and from the little information I have (I admit I have not followed his career very closely) he does not seem to have made much progress mentally and then he's been injured.

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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2008, 11:45:58 AM »

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How many guys have missed 2+ years because of injury and came back to be productive NBA players?  My guess is you're not gonna find anyone on that list.  I understand the risk might be minimal if it's a minimum contract, but we shouldn't get carried away with what the possible rewards might be.

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2008, 11:49:38 AM »

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Darius Miles reminds me of Brandon Wallace, they have similar game. Why don't we bring him in instead? He plays better D and never had an ACL injury..

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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2008, 11:52:33 AM »

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Darius Miles reminds me of Brandon Wallace, they have similar game. Why don't we bring him in instead? He plays better D and never had an ACL injury..

Would be cheaper and does not have a history as a locker room cancer. He also, has some time in the Celtic's system. However, Miles has experience and I know Danny wants to get younger and more athletic but not too young.

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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2008, 11:55:02 AM »

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There were no knuckleheads on the championship roster.  Rivers' history of handling such players is bad.  I think the insinuation that knuckleheads are suddenly going to become accountable by Garnett's mere presence is silly.   Mr Blunt and Mr Davis were no more consistent or less bizarre in Minny than they were in Boston.  If they had visions of a bonehead athletic freak, Quintel Woods would have stuck.

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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2008, 11:56:51 AM »

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The most interesting issue with Miles has nothing to do with basketball.  The question is whether or not Kevin Pritchard and the Blazers' doctors committed insurance fraud when they declared Miles' knee injury to be "career ending" (which meant that Miles came off Portland's cap and that the insurance company became obligated to pay the rest of Miles' contract).  If Miles signs with any team and is able to play, the Blazers are going to get sued.

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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2008, 11:59:54 AM »

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There were no knuckleheads on the championship roster.  Rivers' history of handling such players is bad.  I think the insinuation that knuckleheads are suddenly going to become accountable by Garnett's mere presence is silly.   Mr Blunt and Mr Davis were no more consistent or less bizarre in Minny than they were in Boston.  If they had visions of a bonehead athletic freak, Quintel Woods would have stuck.

Agreed.  Don't know why people think knucklehead will all of a sudden straighten up and flight right just because they are in the presence of KG.
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2008, 12:11:14 PM »

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How many guys have missed 2+ years because of injury and came back to be productive NBA players?  My guess is you're not gonna find anyone on that list.  I understand the risk might be minimal if it's a minimum contract, but we shouldn't get carried away with what the possible rewards might be.

Mcdyess?

I hear what your saying though.  Chances are he doesn't get back to where he was two years ago, but if Doc and Danny were impressed I'm sure it's not with his attitude so maybe he's playing at a high level.
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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2008, 12:30:25 PM »

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Another thing about Miles is if he does end up playing again he will be suspended for the first 10 games he comes back (do those 10 games count against Portland?) for violating the leagues drug policy.  While it is not known what substance he tested positive for it is most likely marijuana (because harder stuff gets you a longer suspension, ain't that right Birdman).  You get 10 games for 4 failed drug tests, and according to the article you are only tested 4 times a year.  This may have been over multiple years I don't know, but if you tested positive 4 out of 4 times within a year that's some serious knuckleheadedness going on there.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/07/darius_miles_faces_10game_susp.html

After 18 months with their Bigs, the Littles were: 46% less likely to use illegal drugs, 27% less likely to use alcohol, 52% less likely to skip school, 37% less likely to skip a class

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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2008, 01:43:11 PM »

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Portland has to pay his salary currently but it does not count against the cap. If he signs with a team and plays 10 games than his salary goes back on Portland's cap if I read the article correctly. Frankly I'm all for it just to screw Portland's cap situation up for stealing B. Roy from us.

Brandon Roy!? If we didn't make that trade there is no KG and no banner 17. That trade was for an expiring contract more then anything else.
And Danny wanted Rondo anyway, he just thought #7 was too high to pick him.  So he got the expiring contract AND Rondo.  That's why there is a banner 17.

1. I have no ill will toward Portland for making the move, and I really don't care anymore about it from our perspective, because as has been pointed out, it worked out great for them. So I don't feel a need to stick it to Portland because they "stole" Roy from us. Ainge didn't want him. I can easily live with that. We got KG, so them getting Roy doesn't matter to me.

2. At the same time, are you guys serious? Let's be honest here. Yes, Theo Ratliff was far better for the T-Wolves' purposes than Raef LaFrentz, who had an extra year on his contract. But don't you think Minnesota would have gladly accepted the extra $10-11 million of contract for the reigning Rookie of the Year instead of a coulda-been-but-never-was in Telfair? And if we gave up Roy and Al for KG, would anybody be saying anything about collusion between McHale and Ainge? No, they'd be saying it was a fair deal - two All-Star caliber talents under 25 for one MVP caliber talent over 30. Again, I don't care one way or the other, but to me, arguing that trading Roy and Raef for Ratliff and Telfair was the thing that allowed the KG trade is ridiculous. I don't see how Al, Gomes, Green, Telfair and Ratliff is a better offer than  Al, Roy, Green, Gomes and Raef (with one extra year on his contract). It's a worse offer. We made something amazing out of a bad trade, but it was still a bad trade, and had we not made it, we still could have had that amazing result of getting KG.

3. Yes, Ainge wanted Rondo, but as we all see, we could have had him anyway. Trading away Roy and Raef for Telfair and Ratliff didn't get us Rondo, that's confusing the issues. Rondo still had to fall to 21. Had we drafted Roy (or Foye and done the Foye-Roy deal with Minny) instead of trading the pick, Rondo still would have been there. The only thing that would have prevented us from making the KG deal is if we had picked Rondo at 6 instead of Roy, if he was available. Then, we wouldn't have the expiring contract (Ratliff) or the highly coveted young player (Roy) it would have taken to package with Al. In that scenario, by the way, we would have held onto a pick that Phoenix eventually sold to Portland - Sergio Rodriguez.

4. Like I said before, I don't care that Portland got Roy from us for far less than fair value, and I don't feel any need to stick it to Portland for the Roy trade. That doesn't matter to me. What does matter to me, though, is that Portland got a salary cap exemption because a guy they clearly didn't want for off-court personal reasons got a "career-ending" knee injury (one that already has him working out for other teams).

It's clear to me that a team would take a shot on Miles and his knee in its present condition. The reason nobody might take a shot on him is not his knee but the fact that he's a cancer. That's not deserving of a salary cap exemption, not when we had to keep a dead man (Reggie) on our salary cap for what, 2-3 years, and an alcoholic for 3-4. That's why I would want to stick it to Portland - they never should have been allowed an exemption for Miles, not when we've been treated so brutally when it comes to salary cap exemptions. For that reason, I hope somebody signs Miles and gives him 10 games, not to screw Portland, but to put them in the position they should be in anyway when it comes to the salary cap.

5. For a minimum salary, maybe I'd sign Miles but I wouldn't have high expectations and certainly wouldn't sign him to fill Posey's sixth man role (I still want Posey for that, almost regardless of cost). I also don't want to waste a roster spot on another experiment when this team is in position to repeat.

We have 9 guys under contract - our starting 5, two power forwards (Powe and Davis), a completely unproven backup guard (Pruitt) and a 15th man (Scalabrine). Giddens will be signed soon to back up the 2. Our biggest needs are a backup point guard, a backup small forward, and a backup center. As of right now, my hopes are House, Posey and Chris Andersen. That would bring us to 13. If we get those 3 guys, I'd still love to sign another backup center to the veteran minimum (say, Pollard or Theo Ratliff) and we have Bill Walker and maybe Tony Allen to consider. Plus, I'd love to have a roster spot available for a midseason pickup (another point guard or another big man if we don't get a third going into the season).

To me, whether we should take a shot on Miles, assuming his knee checks out okay, comes down first to whether we fill the 3 necessary roles and whether we're willing to send Walker to Europe for a year. If Walker goes, then I'd be happy to choose between Miles and TA. If Miles can't give you more than TA did, I have no problem keeping TA. I'm not a huge fan of his game, but he's similar with fewer character problems and we know he can fit in with our core. With Miles, it's just a big question.

But if TA gets offered a bunch of money somewhere, and we can bring Miles in for minimum salary (meaning we wouldn't have to pay the luxury tax for his salary, I believe), it's a worthwhile risk for the 15th spot. Especially since we'd be free to let him serve his suspension, play 10 games to increase Portland's cap number and then cut him with few financial problems if there's somebody better available midseason or if he causes any clubhouse problems.

So to me, I would sign Miles if the following conditions are met:
1. we take care of our 6th man (Posey), backup point and backup center spots (roster spots 11-13);
2. we only have one of Walker and Allen under contract for next season (i.e., TA gets offered more cash or Walker goes to Europe);
3. Miles' knee is okay; and
4. Miles signs for the minimum.

Of course, it doesn't matter what I think, and I'll just trust Danny.
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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2008, 02:03:07 PM »

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The reports of Miles being a cancer are overblown IMO. Everybody who played in Portland during the Jail-Blazer days has been given that tag, fairly or unfairly. Is Miles a knucklehead? Even that's tough to know for sure. I mean, yes, there's some history showing that he's been a bit of a knucklehead in the past, but given the Jail-Blazer culture, it's hardly surprising. I'll bet a lot of NBA guys who are considered "upstanding" would have succumbed to the culture in Portland during those bad times. I would not be at all surprised to seem Miles join a team like the Celtics and be a thriving teammate rather than being a locker room killer.

The biggest concern about Miles? For me, it's his lack of deep shooting. It's not absolutely imperative, but it would be much better to bring in another guy that can shoot. We all know how Posey's shooting helped. Signing Miles would mean one less shooter on the team. However, I assume that other roster moves could be made to ensure we have enough shooting if we do sign Miles.

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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2008, 02:06:53 PM »

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2. At the same time, are you guys serious? Let's be honest here. Yes, Theo Ratliff was far better for the T-Wolves' purposes than Raef LaFrentz, who had an extra year on his contract. But don't you think Minnesota would have gladly accepted the extra $10-11 million of contract for the reigning Rookie of the Year instead of a coulda-been-but-never-was in Telfair? And if we gave up Roy and Al for KG, would anybody be saying anything about collusion between McHale and Ainge? No, they'd be saying it was a fair deal - two All-Star caliber talents under 25 for one MVP caliber talent over 30. Again, I don't care one way or the other, but to me, arguing that trading Roy and Raef for Ratliff and Telfair was the thing that allowed the KG trade is ridiculous. I don't see how Al, Gomes, Green, Telfair and Ratliff is a better offer than  Al, Roy, Green, Gomes and Raef (with one extra year on his contract). It's a worse offer. We made something amazing out of a bad trade, but it was still a bad trade, and had we not made it, we still could have had that amazing result of getting KG.

  It's nothing but speculation that Minny would have taken on Raef's contract (about $14M more than Theo's) to get Roy. The owner might not have approved the deal. Best case we end up where we are now. Worst case we don't. And after the Gasol trade the collusion talk has pretty much died down.

4. Like I said before, I don't care that Portland got Roy from us for far less than fair value, and I don't feel any need to stick it to Portland for the Roy trade.

  What's fair value? We had the 6th pick in a draft which had been severely weakened by the league making the HS seniors skip the draft and go to college. Seattle got the equivalent of 3 first rounders to take on $8M in salary from Phoenix. Without 20-20 hindsight is that 6th pick in a crap draft worth far more than 5 or 6 late first rounders?