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Re: Would Baron davis sign with C's for less money, but a ring ????
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2008, 01:28:04 PM »

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Just heard on WEEI that Baron Davis was offered $100 million by the Clippers (similar to what Arenas was offered). 
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Re: Would Baron davis sign with C's for less money, but a ring ????
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2008, 01:28:41 PM »

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Even without LA offering that money, I couldn't see him coming to Boston for so much less money. He would NOT accept backing up Rondo (he's only 29, and a much better offensive player, honestly he'd start) and it takes him further from home. If he wanted a shot at a ring, I think he'd be more likely to take a midlevel offer from the Lakers (or do a sign and trade where the Lakers send Odom and Mihm to Golden State for Davis - for the Warriors, it's better than the nothing they'll get when Baron goes to the Clips).

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Re: Would Baron davis sign with C's for less money, but a ring ????
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2008, 01:31:28 PM »

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I'd say he'd take less to play for Miami.

Davis
Wade
Marion
Beasley
Blount  ;D

reserves

Banks
Cook
Wright
Haslem


I'd be nervous to play them.




i actually think that Miami needs Brand more than they need Baron.

how about trading Brand and Gordon for Beasley, Wright, picks and salary?

or simpler, Brand and Gordon for Marion and Beasley

Miami doesn't really need Gordon. I don't think they'd do that. A lineup of Chalmers/Wade/Hasleem/Brand/MLE center isn't going nowhere. I don't think it'll be easy to see Brand in Miami.




i actually think that Gordon can play PG - especially on a team with a guy that handles the ball as much as Wade. and the core of Gordon, Wade and Brand is pretty good IMO. of all the rookies, i think Gordon is one of the most ready to contribute right away.


Re: Would Baron davis sign with C's for less money, but a ring ????
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2008, 01:45:00 PM »

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I disagree on both points, winsomme.

I think Gordon can be a very good player (eventually all-star level), but he's not as ready as guys like Rose, Beasley, Gallinari, Love or Rush (my top5 in readiness). I think he has 2 major flaws:
- dribbling. Terrible.
- Doing cuts. Even worse.

Also, he's just not a pg. Lacks the ballhandling, the creativity and the natural instincts. OTH, he can be great, really great, defending point-guards in the league. 

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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2008, 01:49:45 PM »

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I honestly believe that the Clippers will resign Brand, and Baron Davis will join the Clippers........ a Clipper team with Eric Gordon, Baron Davis, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, and Al Thorton would be a pretty formidable team

Re: Would Baron davis sign with C's for less money, but a ring ????
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »

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I disagree on both points, winsomme.

I think Gordon can be a very good player (eventually all-star level), but he's not as ready as guys like Rose, Beasley, Gallinari, Love or Rush (my top5 in readiness). I think he has 2 major flaws:
- dribbling. Terrible.
- Doing cuts. Even worse.

Also, he's just not a pg. Lacks the ballhandling, the creativity and the natural instincts. OTH, he can be great, really great, defending point-guards in the league. 

people said the same things about Chauncey.....i'm not sure where people are getting this idea that Gordon can't handle the rock. i have seen him play a lot and it simply is not accurate at all. it's like one scout said it and then everybody started to think it was the truth. spread like wildfire.

he has a sick crossover.

while he will not be a pure PG, like i said before, on a team with a guy like Wade who handles the ball a lot of the time, he would have no problem playing the point.

and as for readiness, i think he will be good from the get-go.

i think people slept on him because of his wrist injury and the coaching problems at Indiana, but this kid is the goods.

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« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2008, 04:19:28 PM »

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I disagree on both points, winsomme.

I think Gordon can be a very good player (eventually all-star level), but he's not as ready as guys like Rose, Beasley, Gallinari, Love or Rush (my top5 in readiness). I think he has 2 major flaws:
- dribbling. Terrible.
- Doing cuts. Even worse.

Also, he's just not a pg. Lacks the ballhandling, the creativity and the natural instincts. OTH, he can be great, really great, defending point-guards in the league. 

people said the same things about Chauncey.....i'm not sure where people are getting this idea that Gordon can't handle the rock. i have seen him play a lot and it simply is not accurate at all. it's like one scout said it and then everybody started to think it was the truth.

while he will not be a pure PG, like i said before, on a team with a guy like Wade who handles the ball a lot of the time, he would have no time playing the point.

and as for readiness, i think he will be good from the get-go.

i think people slept on him because of his wrist injury and the coaching problems at Indiana, but this kid is the goods.

Well, I've said I can see him becoming an All-Star, so it's not like I'm sleeping on him. The fact that he has flaws doesn't mean he's not going to be very good. He can be a rich man House with defense even if he doesn't correct those flaws at all. But one can't assume every rookie is going to correct his flaws. It's not the way it works.

Don't you agree with my assessments on his dribbling and cutting?  Also, he really doesn't have the ballhandling and the creativity of a pg. He doesn't have that "protect the ball" nature, that even shooting points like Billups have. He's more like Wade, a wild guy. 

Also, a Gordon-Wade backourt... Gordon is really not that good playing without the ball, at least yet (it's a very coachable flaw). I can re-watch a couple of his games and point out the exact moments where he proved to be a subpar cutter. I'm very comfortable prediction: he'll produce a lot of interceptions in the passing lanes when his teammates try to pass him the ball in cuts and offensive fouls by charching screeners. But of course he can have an impact since the very beginning. But playing SG, as a PG Chalmers is better than him (Chalmers is the kind of point guard I like next to Wade, a guy who can defend, a facilitator that protects the ball, doesn't play risky and a good spot-up jump-shooter.)

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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2008, 04:26:16 PM »

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baron would sign for less money, and he is good friends with pierce... but he will not sign with the c's. i don't care what you say. we simply do not have the money. plus, we're not the only team around the league that can put together a group of allstars and win a championship. what if he signs with detroit or something?

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Re: Would Baron davis sign with C's for less money, but a ring ????
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2008, 04:42:14 PM »

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I disagree on both points, winsomme.

I think Gordon can be a very good player (eventually all-star level), but he's not as ready as guys like Rose, Beasley, Gallinari, Love or Rush (my top5 in readiness). I think he has 2 major flaws:
- dribbling. Terrible.
- Doing cuts. Even worse.

Also, he's just not a pg. Lacks the ballhandling, the creativity and the natural instincts. OTH, he can be great, really great, defending point-guards in the league. 

people said the same things about Chauncey.....i'm not sure where people are getting this idea that Gordon can't handle the rock. i have seen him play a lot and it simply is not accurate at all. it's like one scout said it and then everybody started to think it was the truth.

while he will not be a pure PG, like i said before, on a team with a guy like Wade who handles the ball a lot of the time, he would have no time playing the point.

and as for readiness, i think he will be good from the get-go.

i think people slept on him because of his wrist injury and the coaching problems at Indiana, but this kid is the goods.

Well, I've said I can see him becoming an All-Star, so it's not like I'm sleeping on him. The fact that he has flaws doesn't mean he's not going to be very good. He can be a rich man House with defense even if he doesn't correct those flaws at all. But one can't assume every rookie is going to correct his flaws. It's not the way it works.

Don't you agree with my assessments on his dribbling and cutting?  Also, he really doesn't have the ballhandling and the creativity of a pg. He doesn't have that "protect the ball" nature, that even shooting points like Billups have. He's more like Wade, a wild guy. 

Also, a Gordon-Wade backourt... Gordon is really not that good playing without the ball, at least yet (it's a very coachable flaw). I can re-watch a couple of his games and point out the exact moments where he proved to be a subpar cutter. I'm very comfortable prediction: he'll produce a lot of interceptions in the passing lanes when his teammates try to pass him the ball in cuts and offensive fouls by charching screeners. But of course he can have an impact since the very beginning. But playing SG, as a PG Chalmers is better than him (Chalmers is the kind of point guard I like next to Wade, a guy who can defend, a facilitator that protects the ball, doesn't play risky and a good spot-up jump-shooter.)


Beasley and Rose have flaws too. i'm not sure how much pointing out the fact that Gordon has flaws really tells you about his readiness as it relates to the other rookies.

i think if you go back and take another look at Gordon's handle you'll find that his handle is VERY good. while not that of a pure point, certainly in the ballpark of a Chauncey. he goes equally well left and right, he has great balance and he has terrific stop and start ability. those are things that will serve him very well in terms of the help defenses he will face in the pros and should prevent the problem charges.

and the range on his shot and his quick release are electric. having a shooter like that alongside Wade would do wonders for clearing the driving lanes. add to that my original idea of Brand (one of the few legit low post players out there) and you have a very balanced attack.

that and all three of those guys play hard on the defensive end.

i like Chalmers a lot too, but think if you could bring him off the bench. with Chalmers, you could have him play with either Wade or Gordon (let Gordon get some minutes as the scorer too).

i think you have lots of problems with a combo of Wade, Marion and Beasley. the first of which is that Marion is just not the same threat when not playing the run and gun...

anyway, to get back to Gordon's deficiencies, don't you think that the amount that Wade handles the ball would mitigate any problems with Gordon's handle?

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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2008, 04:49:35 PM »

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Considering the close friendship that Baron Davis and Paul Piece have, would Baron Davis come to the C's for 3 years 15 million ? Granted IFthis situation were to play itself out we would not resign Posey. It would also change the starting rotation to PG - Rondo, SG - B Davis, SF - PP, PF -KG. C - Perk with Ray Ray coming off the bench as the 6th man. Granted this is just an excited fan thinking of possiblities but

A. Would Davis do it ?

B. Would Danny/Doc do it ?

C. Would Ray come of the bench ?
Best joke I've heard all day. Let me remind you, this is not a 10-year veteran taking a cut from 5 million to 1 million for a year to get a ring. Wherever he goes, Davis will command a multi-year deal with a 8-digit yearly salary.

Toss in the fact that he's a back injury waiting to happen... no, you won't get any discounts on Baron Davis.

And just in case he miraculously ended up on our roster, Ray Allen is not coming off the bench. Rondo is.
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Re: Would Baron davis sign with C's for less money, but a ring ????
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2008, 05:32:21 PM »

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Last summer I was very interested in the C's persuing BD at some point. But with Rondo's emergence. I don't want Baron on this team.

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« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2008, 06:24:01 PM »

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just reading the title of this thread and nothing else, I can definitely tell you that Baron Davis, or any superstar for that matter, would not take less money to play for the Celtics.

People who follow sports by now should be aware that rarely do players, especially superstars, take a pay cut to play for a better team. In today's world, its the "I'm going to get mine" attitude, and that fine. If your goal is to make money, then nobody can fault you for that.

Personally, theres no room for Baron Davis on this team anyways even if he did want to come.

The Celtics are more likely to get a player who is somewhat popular but still looking to make a bigger name for himself by being on a good team. Basically someone like James Posey before this year.

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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2008, 07:58:07 PM »

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I disagree on both points, winsomme.

I think Gordon can be a very good player (eventually all-star level), but he's not as ready as guys like Rose, Beasley, Gallinari, Love or Rush (my top5 in readiness). I think he has 2 major flaws:
- dribbling. Terrible.
- Doing cuts. Even worse.

Also, he's just not a pg. Lacks the ballhandling, the creativity and the natural instincts. OTH, he can be great, really great, defending point-guards in the league. 

people said the same things about Chauncey.....i'm not sure where people are getting this idea that Gordon can't handle the rock. i have seen him play a lot and it simply is not accurate at all. it's like one scout said it and then everybody started to think it was the truth.

while he will not be a pure PG, like i said before, on a team with a guy like Wade who handles the ball a lot of the time, he would have no time playing the point.

and as for readiness, i think he will be good from the get-go.

i think people slept on him because of his wrist injury and the coaching problems at Indiana, but this kid is the goods.

Well, I've said I can see him becoming an All-Star, so it's not like I'm sleeping on him. The fact that he has flaws doesn't mean he's not going to be very good. He can be a rich man House with defense even if he doesn't correct those flaws at all. But one can't assume every rookie is going to correct his flaws. It's not the way it works.

Don't you agree with my assessments on his dribbling and cutting?  Also, he really doesn't have the ballhandling and the creativity of a pg. He doesn't have that "protect the ball" nature, that even shooting points like Billups have. He's more like Wade, a wild guy. 

Also, a Gordon-Wade backourt... Gordon is really not that good playing without the ball, at least yet (it's a very coachable flaw). I can re-watch a couple of his games and point out the exact moments where he proved to be a subpar cutter. I'm very comfortable prediction: he'll produce a lot of interceptions in the passing lanes when his teammates try to pass him the ball in cuts and offensive fouls by charching screeners. But of course he can have an impact since the very beginning. But playing SG, as a PG Chalmers is better than him (Chalmers is the kind of point guard I like next to Wade, a guy who can defend, a facilitator that protects the ball, doesn't play risky and a good spot-up jump-shooter.)


Beasley and Rose have flaws too. i'm not sure how much pointing out the fact that Gordon has flaws really tells you about his readiness as it relates to the other rookies.

i think if you go back and take another look at Gordon's handle you'll find that his handle is VERY good. while not that of a pure point, certainly in the ballpark of a Chauncey. he goes equally well left and right, he has great balance and he has terrific stop and start ability. those are things that will serve him very well in terms of the help defenses he will face in the pros and should prevent the problem charges.

and the range on his shot and his quick release are electric. having a shooter like that alongside Wade would do wonders for clearing the driving lanes. add to that my original idea of Brand (one of the few legit low post players out there) and you have a very balanced attack.

that and all three of those guys play hard on the defensive end.

i like Chalmers a lot too, but think if you could bring him off the bench. with Chalmers, you could have him play with either Wade or Gordon (let Gordon get some minutes as the scorer too).

i think you have lots of problems with a combo of Wade, Marion and Beasley. the first of which is that Marion is just not the same threat when not playing the run and gun...

anyway, to get back to Gordon's deficiencies, don't you think that the amount that Wade handles the ball would mitigate any problems with Gordon's handle?

Well, I only have his games against Koufos' team available, and I was taking notes on another guy, but I remember very vividly that his dribble isn't good. Not that he can't master fundamental dribble moves - he can execute a crossover or a reverse to run a defender into the screen in a pick'n'roll. But it's too wild: high, too away from his body. Particularly when in traffic. You can notice that sometimes he even has to look at the ball. So, this kind of dribble invites defenders to gamble on the steal and makes him losing balance when pulling jumpers off the dribble, because he can't read the defense.

I've read reports saying that his poor midrange shoot of the dribble is due to his lack of height or bad shot-decision, but it's not, it's due to his poor dribbling. I bet he improves his dribble and his shot-selection skills will seem to raise as well.

The problem with offensive fouls is not so much when the basketball is on his hands, rather when playing off it. He keeps his eyes on the ball when cutting, so he can't read screens, because he's not looking the floor. Also, that allows defenders to "read" him easily.

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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2008, 08:03:25 PM »

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sounds like an NBA live team

I wouldn't say that. Baron wouldn't sign for the MLE even in a video game.
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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2008, 08:27:46 PM »

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We don't need Baron. We've already invested in the future with Rondo. Use the money to fill our needs.