Why Not Douglas Roberts? Why Not Chalmers?

[fairweatherfan06]

I agree with Rondofan we were lacking athleticism and we got some on the cheap.  If Ray can help Rondo improve his shot he can do the same with Giddens.

[Chris]

Well, Chalmers just is not a fit...and I think he went from underrated to incredibly overrated in the last couple of weeks.  He is a solid backup PG in this league...thats about it.  I think Pruitt will be a better player.

With CDR, it is tougher.  I think it comes down to the fact that Giddens is simply more talented than CDR.  If you remove the questions about his character, Giddens is a far superior prospect.  So I am assuming the C's were either very impressed with his personal growth over the last couple years...or they just felt it was worth the roll of the dice.

yeah I don't hate the Giddens pick-- I just think the other two guys are safer picks, and possibly better. Here is my thinking:

Chalmers:

His stock rose a great deal in the past few weeks, to the extent that he became overrated. He is nothing more than a solid backup PG. That being said, isn't that exactly what the C's need? I know management might be high on Pruitt, but he's a couple years away from being able to take that backup spot. chalmers fills that time gap. The thirieth pick gets a two year deal, I believe. What could be better for us than to get a cheap, two year deal for a PG who bring all the things a vet FA would bring to the table out of this draft? Chalmers Ds up, can hit the 3, and has great ballhanding skills. If Pruitt eclipses him in a year or two, whats the harm? Chalmers is an NBA ready piece that could've filled a hole in our roster.

CDR:

CDR is a guy who may have dropped because of below average workouts, as you stated. If that is the case, then I can assure the drop was about as unwarranted as Darrel Arthur's kidney-spawned swan dive. Workouts mean very little, and CDR is just the kind of guy who proves that. He may not be the athlete Giddens is, but he was the leading scorer on arguably the best team in college ball last season. He has a varied game, and it is not based on either deep threes (eric gordon, 2008 bust of the year, mark my words) or huge dunks (giddens). CDR will be a solid reliable scorer, either off the bench or as a 4th option for a team with other, higher profile options on the court (that's us.)

Either one of those guys fills a legitimate for us need better than Giddens does and makes more sense a draft pick for the Celtics. That is my humble opinion. I am out.

My point with Chalmers was that we need a veteran backup PG, not another young one.  Chalmers is no more ready to contribute than Pruitt is...and Pruitt has more upside.

As far as CDR "filling more of a need"...well, that I don't get, since he plays the same position as Giddens.  And I never said CDR dropped because of workouts.  I have no idea why he dropped, I was just saying that Giddens is more talented...just more of a risk characterwise.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Chalmers didn't make sense to me. I actually wanted Douglas-Roberts, but the more I think about it, the Celtics don't have that Athletic-factor, and Giddens is athletic, and could give a spark sometimes. When the Celtics faced Atlanta, it must have influenced DA's decision.

Definitely not Deandre Jordan.

That's just what I think.

Douglas-Roberts doesn't convince me to tell you the truth. I wanted Courtney Lee above anyone else, and Walker came is after him. But the knee concerns of Walker are real, and I can understand the team shying away from him.

Didn't care for Chalmer, didn't want him... this Giddens kid at the moments seems like a good pick.

I really wish the team doesn't give up on Tony, but it'll make trading him away in some sort of package to fill some holes in our team much easier.

Bill Walker traded to the Celtics!!!!

[slamtheking]

Hot [dang]!!

The C's just traded for Bill Walker without giving up anything but $$.  I was suprised Danny hadn't made a move until then. 

Looks like some good young athletes being brought in.

[P2]

YEEEEEEEEEEES! We got Walker!

[ManUp]

If Ray can help Rondo improve his shot he can do the same with Giddens.

My thoughts exactly.

[sns0274]

cordobes said:

I like CDR, but he's being overrated here. He benefited immensely from the system Calipari runs in Memphis, with all that penetration and kick out (Brokeback Mountain, as Phil said). Perimeter defenders in the NBA are much more quick recovering than those that CDR faced in college, so it won't be so easy for him to step past them or take open shots. I think this question has merits: would he be such a good slasher without a pg that didn't demand so much help defense in the lane like Rose did? Also, he'll have to read screens and post up in the NBA and I don't know if he's good doing that. I mean, can he create his own shot in another type of offense? I don't know... and neither does he, I guess. Anyway, if we draft him, I'll watch his games again to form a more solid opinion, as I was more interested in Rose the first time.

My educated guess: CDR is not as good as he looks. If I was giving him a workout, I'd like to see how well does he screen, posts, reads screens, how really good is his first step, etc. If he didn't workout well, I can easily understand why he fell.

Chalmers...because they like Pruitt.

I've never seen JR Giddens play and I don't like to form opinions by reading public reports. I know he was conference co-Player of the Year with Cummard and I know Cummard is a good basketball player.

He's got 3 years of great production by every metric available (almost every advanced stat dude loves him), whereas Gidden has 4 years of bad production by the same metrics.

Epic fail.

Link?

[Moranis]

The pick should have been Jordan.  Raw 7 footer with the frame to be a big time center.  He obviously isn't ready to compete this next year, but with KG and Perk, the C's could have let him learn on the bench for a couple of years and then when KG winds down, inserted Jordan into the starting lineup.  I think the C's will regret passing up Jordan, a guy that was a projected lottery pick for almost the entire year.

[BballTim]

It's a little perplexing because Danny made such an issue this past year about only adding "character guys" to the roster, but I'm willing to give JR Rider...I mean Giddens a chance. Danny does make mistakes on draft day though (Gerald, Marcus, trading the Brandon Roy pick), so who knows. I'd be more peeved if I was a Hornets fan and they just lost Arthur, so Geaorge Shinn could pocket a million dollars.

  Yeah, it just killed me last year watching KG out there winning a title when we could have had Brandon Roy instead...

[Sweet17]

The pick should have been Jordan.  Raw 7 footer with the frame to be a big time center.  He obviously isn't ready to compete this next year, but with KG and Perk, the C's could have let him learn on the bench for a couple of years and then when KG winds down, inserted Jordan into the starting lineup.  I think the C's will regret passing up Jordan, a guy that was a projected lottery pick for almost the entire year.

Maybe they checked up on this guy and didn't think they could mold him. For every coachable Kendrick Perkins type there are 10 Kwame Brown types..

Pete

[wdleehi]

My thought (without ever having a chance to really look deep into this since I was on the road till 2 AM) is I will just trust Ainge with the draft.

[Birdbrain]

It's a little perplexing because Danny made such an issue this past year about only adding "character guys" to the roster, but I'm willing to give JR Rider...I mean Giddens a chance. Danny does make mistakes on draft day though (Gerald, Marcus, trading the Brandon Roy pick), so who knows. I'd be more peeved if I was a Hornets fan and they just lost Arthur, so Geaorge Shinn could pocket a million dollars.

  Yeah, it just killed me last year watching KG out there winning a title when we could have had Brandon Roy instead...

Yeah real killer.  Of course actually connecting the dots to get to KG is all luck not skill.  But Telfair was going to be Chris Paul so I give DA a break on that one.  The JR Rider had me rolling...

[Birdbrain]

My thought (without ever having a chance to really look deep into this since I was on the road till 2 AM) is I will just trust Ainge with the draft.

It's hard thing to do but,  you should be able to do it at least until we actually see them play......

[Brickowski]

The pick should have been Jordan.  Raw 7 footer with the frame to be a big time center.  He obviously isn't ready to compete this next year, but with KG and Perk, the C's could have let him learn on the bench for a couple of years and then when KG winds down, inserted Jordan into the starting lineup.  I think the C's will regret passing up Jordan, a guy that was a projected lottery pick for almost the entire year.

Maybe they checked up on this guy and didn't think they could mold him. For every coachable Kendrick Perkins type there are 10 Kwame Brown types..

Pete

Well yes, and 29 other teams felt the same way.  But even so, it's very hard to pass on an athletic 7 footer. High risk, high reward.  The D-league is for players like DeAndre Jordan.

I also liked Mario Chalmers, who in my view was just as good as some of the guards who went in the lottery.  He would have filled a need for a backup point.

But let's wait and see. If Giddens turns into the next Josh Howard, it will be another feather in Danny's cap.  Certainly Giddens had a nice freshman year at Kansas and senior year in New Mexico.  The stuff in-between wasn't so pretty.

[albas89]

We should have taken Douglas-Roberts...that's what I feel,nobody can be sure about a draft pick,but that's how I feel and I will be here next season to admit my mistake or (sadly)confirm myself!!

I'm afriad that,this year,not only the C's but most of the teams made a big mistake...they had already decided who they would pick b4 last night!!in a draft process you should be able to adjust!of course they should have watched some players closer than the others but,c'mon,CDR is not a No.40 pick player,they just didn't expect him to be No.40 and they didn't want to risk with a player they hadn't even think of picking!!