Boston and LA: Offseason Moves

[Barnabas]

The most i'd give Posey is 3 years at full MLE.

no way he should be here longer than any of the new big 3.

Like the Big Three he is an older player.

Posey is our 4th best player.  He's important to the team.  This is a very tough call.  Do you let the guy test the waters and possibly lose him, for a chance that something better might come along for us to use the MLE on?  Or do we commit now and handcuff ourselves later on?  That's a tough call. 

[wdleehi]

The most i'd give Posey is 3 years at full MLE.

no way he should be here longer than any of the new big 3.

Like the Big Three he is an older player.

Posey is our 4th best player.  He's important to the team.  This is a very tough call.  Do you let the guy test the waters and possibly lose him, for a chance that something better might come along for us to use the MLE on?  Or do we commit now and handcuff ourselves later on?  That's a tough call. 

Full MLE.   Just not max length.

[Cman]

Here are what they should be focusing on in order of importance:

1. Convince Posey to stay on the non bird rights exception

This is the key:

4 yr MLE (which any team can offer Posey) = $25.2M
4 yr non-bird contract (which C's can offer & save MLE) = $21.9M ($3.2M less over 4 years, 800K/yr)

Could Posey be convinced to give the C's a bit of a discount so we could use the MLE to add some bigs?

if not 5 yr non-bird contract (5th year at team option or vesting if posey plays X games in yr 4) = $28.7M


resigning house with non-bird rights is a 2 year/$3.7M deal..... i think he'd take that in a heartbeat.... maybe even give him player option in yr2 if he wants.

TP for breaking down the answer to a question I was about to post.
Hopefully Posey and House will stay using the non-bird contract extensions, leaving the MLE and LLE to use if necessary.....

[wdleehi]

Here are what they should be focusing on in order of importance:

1. Convince Posey to stay on the non bird rights exception

This is the key:

4 yr MLE (which any team can offer Posey) = $25.2M
4 yr non-bird contract (which C's can offer & save MLE) = $21.9M ($3.2M less over 4 years, 800K/yr)

Could Posey be convinced to give the C's a bit of a discount so we could use the MLE to add some bigs?

if not 5 yr non-bird contract (5th year at team option or vesting if posey plays X games in yr 4) = $28.7M


resigning house with non-bird rights is a 2 year/$3.7M deal..... i think he'd take that in a heartbeat.... maybe even give him player option in yr2 if he wants.

If they can do that, then they can go and offer Diop most the MLE to be the 2nd C.  Two headed defensive/rebounding monster. 

[Chris]

The most i'd give Posey is 3 years at full MLE.

no way he should be here longer than any of the new big 3.

Like the Big Three he is an older player.

Posey is our 4th best player.  He's important to the team.  This is a very tough call.  Do you let the guy test the waters and possibly lose him, for a chance that something better might come along for us to use the MLE on?  Or do we commit now and handcuff ourselves later on?  That's a tough call. 

Full MLE.   Just not max length.

Using the MLE on him is a tough pill to swallow.  We still have a couple other holes that need filling/upgrades, and it will really tie our hands if all we have is the LLE and minimum contracts.

I have a feeling the C's will do everything they can to convince Posey to take the non bird exception, and then either use the MLE to sign a big man like Kurt Thomas or a PG like Duhon, or more likely they will split it to fill both of those holes.

[rondofan1255]

Oh my god.. I would love to have Diop for decent money. He's definitely a presence. The fact is, I think we should use the 1st round pick as insurance for TA and Posey, as they look a bit awfully thin. Assuming we keep Eddie, and let Pruitt have a go, we shouldn't have to worry about PG unless there's a problem in the season I.E. Pruitt's not up to the job, injuries, etc..

I don't know what any of you other people think, but I believe in Pruitt becoming at least a good backup, or viable one for now, and he could become better. Well, that is from watching spotty minutes during garbage time, but who knows.. I saw one game of his at USC.

I really hope Posey loves the C's enough to know what is best for them, and how he can help the team out by taking a pay cut (lower than he deserves) for us to improve and have the best possible chance to win another championship (or 2 more even).

[TripleOT]

1) Retaining Posey is essential. As KGB said in Rounders, "Pay da man..give da man his monee."  Go ask Pat Riley how things worked out when they tried to save a few bucks and not retain Posey.

2) Keep as many guys as you can.  The esprit de corps on this team was the best I've seen on an NBA team.  They have enough talent to keep a few character guys at the end of their bench over a possible talent upgrade but character downgrade. 

3) Give Eddie House two years and $3 million or so.  He's a valuable weapon, even as a 5th guard, and he was a loyal soldier when Cassell was playing ahead of him.

4)  Keep your PJs on.  The way Brown has played, and the synergy he has with the other bigs, might convince him to go one more year.  he certainly showed he can get the job done.  If he wants to retire, I'm sure there are a few veteran ring chasers out there willing to take his spot.  How about old friend Tony Battie? 

5) Stay with TA.  With a healthy TA playing smart, along with Posey Pierce and Ray Allen, the Cs have a group of swingmen who can do it all. 

[ManUp]

Can you explain the Non Bird Exception too me. I'm not familiar with the term.

In the plainest English possible please?

[Jeff]

hard to even start thinking about this, but in order to collect my thoughts, tell me if I'm missing something:

1. PJ and Sam to retire
2. Draft coming up in a few days
3. MLE
4. Need to sign Posey somehow (see #3?)
5. See what offers Tony Allen gets and match them
6. Unless we can find a better all-round backup PG and a shooter to boot, try to resign Eddie House
7. Give Danny a raise, just for the heck of it

what else?

[rondofan1255]

TP for you TripleOT; Pat Riley made that mistake, and we should not risk this, seeing how Posey has been an integral part of the Celts this year.

I say let's take a chance and give him the Full MLE, but not without trying to persuade him to take less. Actually, this is so frustrating, because other teams will offer a lot.. This is a semi-lose situation no matter what we offer, as it decreases the money we have left to spend. Knowing what he did in Miami by leaving for more money, I think we should offer him what we have, and let him either take it or leave. It also depends how much Posey wants another ring, and what he thinks of this team.

BTW, I'm not impressed with Sam at all, but he does come cheap. Another shoot first PG isn't really needed right now, given his inconsistency and age as well.

Also, I doubt TA will receive any other offers that the Celts can't match. He's been pretty under the radar, for good or bad I don't know, throughout this playoff.

[seccom]

Here are what they should be focusing on in order of importance:

1. Convince Posey to stay on the non bird rights exception

This is the key:

4 yr MLE (which any team can offer Posey) = $25.2M
4 yr non-bird contract (which C's can offer & save MLE) = $21.9M ($3.2M less over 4 years, 800K/yr)

Could Posey be convinced to give the C's a bit of a discount so we could use the MLE to add some bigs?

if not 5 yr non-bird contract (5th year at team option or vesting if posey plays X games in yr 4) = $28.7M


resigning house with non-bird rights is a 2 year/$3.7M deal..... i think he'd take that in a heartbeat.... maybe even give him player option in yr2 if he wants.

I wonder how you come up with the 21.9M. My calculation is 18.7M. That is based on 120% of previous year's salary (3.46M) and 8% increase every year after.

I could be wrong...

[seccom]

Can you explain the Non Bird Exception too me. I'm not familiar with the term.

In the plainest English possible please?

Any team can sign their own free agent even if they are over the salary cap. Unlike the bird free agent, the team cannot offer the max. For non-bird free agent, the rule is 120% of his previous years' salary and 8% increase.

I could be wrong...

[Gainesville Celtic]

Can you explain the Non Bird Exception too me. I'm not familiar with the term.

In the plainest English possible please?

in case your not familiar --- Larry Coon's write up off the Salary Cap is the best.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm


as you may know Bird & early bird rights come when you're resigning your own FA after 3 (bird) and 2 (early bird) years with the team respectively. So next year we can use our Bird rights to resign Powe --- and can go over the cap to do so, can offer as much as we want, etc.

For guys like House & Posey -- who are our FA but have only been with us for 1 year -- we have a slight advantage over other teams to sign them using so-called NON BIRD RIGHTS. we can offer, for example Posey, a 20% raise over his last salary (and annual raises of 8%) while keeping our MLE.... other teams would need either (a) to have capspace (only 3-4 teams have that this summer) or (b) use the MLE.

It doesnt' come in to play very often but as i pointed out == using it to resign Posey for 4-5 years is roughtly the equivalent to another team using the MLE... which means we could save our MLE to use on guys like Diop, Chris Anderson, Pietrus, etc.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Here are what they should be focusing on in order of importance:

1. Convince Posey to stay on the non bird rights exception

This is the key:

4 yr MLE (which any team can offer Posey) = $25.2M
4 yr non-bird contract (which C's can offer & save MLE) = $21.9M ($3.2M less over 4 years, 800K/yr)

Could Posey be convinced to give the C's a bit of a discount so we could use the MLE to add some bigs?

if not 5 yr non-bird contract (5th year at team option or vesting if posey plays X games in yr 4) = $28.7M


resigning house with non-bird rights is a 2 year/$3.7M deal..... i think he'd take that in a heartbeat.... maybe even give him player option in yr2 if he wants.

I wonder how you come up with the 21.9M. My calculation is 18.7M. That is based on 120% of previous year's salary (3.46M) and 8% increase every year after.

I could be wrong...

You are not wrong, you're exactly right.... TP for catching my mistake, sorry.  So the revised options:

4 yr MLE (which any team can offer Posey) = $25.2M
5 yr non-bird offer to Posey = $22.5M

3 yr MLE (which might be the most someone would offer a 31 y.o. Posey) = $18.1M
4 year non-bird offere to Posey, offer the 4th year at his option = $17.3M

[BballTim]

The most i'd give Posey is 3 years at full MLE.

no way he should be here longer than any of the new big 3.

Like the Big Three he is an older player.

Posey is our 4th best player.  He's important to the team.  This is a very tough call.  Do you let the guy test the waters and possibly lose him, for a chance that something better might come along for us to use the MLE on?  Or do we commit now and handcuff ourselves later on?  That's a tough call. 

  Rondo's our 4th best player, and he'll be better next year than this year. I like Posey, but let's keep it real. Is he that much more valuable this year than he was last summer?