No Powe - No Win

[Chris]

We have to be honest about PJ here:  Hes' NOT A 20 MINUTE PER GAME GUY.  Yes, he played great in game 1 and pretty solid in game 2.  He also was terrible the entire Detroit series.  He's old, he's slow, he's an offensive zero, he isn't as effective as he was 2-3 years ago.  He should never play over Perk late in the game. Ever.

This is just wrong.  He was excellent against Detroit.

[cordobes]

As a Lakers fan but also a CAL graduate, I want Powe to do well and the rest of Celtics suck. This is my observation:

Game 2. PJax put Turiaf on Powe, as it turned out to be a terrible matchup. IMO, Powe is the Celtics best offensive rebounder on per minute basis and Turiaf is the Lakers best shot blocker on per minute basis. So Powe will always tried to play very close the basketball and Turiaf always leave his offensive player to protect the basketball. PJax went away with that matchup and put Walton on Powe in Q4 of game 2. Even though Powe burn Walton on 1 drive, PJax stayed with that matchup.

Game 3. PJax once again put Walton on Powe. As long as Walton stay with Powe and boxed him out on offensive rebounding opportunity, he would not have another Game 2. But more important, it also allowed PJax to use Walton on offense. On per minute basis, Walton is probably the Lakers' best play maker. The triangle always run better with Walton on the floor, but PJax could not play Walton because the mismatch foot speed against Pierce. To counter that, Doc pulled Powe.

Just my 2 cents...

Good call.

[expobear]

We have to be honest about PJ here:  Hes' NOT A 20 MINUTE PER GAME GUY.  Yes, he played great in game 1 and pretty solid in game 2.  He also was terrible the entire Detroit series.  He's old, he's slow, he's an offensive zero, he isn't as effective as he was 2-3 years ago.  He should never play over Perk late in the game. Ever.

This is just wrong.  He was excellent against Detroit.

I know numbers don't mean squat to you, Chris, but Brown averaged 3 pts/ 2.5 reb per game on 16.8 minutes against Detroit. I know PJ's contributions aren't supposed to be on the offensive end but come on, now, an excellent series?  He may have had a "pretty good" series but an "excellent" one would have shown at least a few more rebounds and a couple of more buckets per game, given the numbers of minutes he was getting. I'm starting to think my position on Powe is getting stronger with a statement like that Chris. You're losing your credibility!    


BTW, Powe averaged 2.5 pts and 1.3 reb on 4.8 minutes of playing time in the same series.

[Go Bears]

I just dont understand what Doc is doing out there.

you don't understand that he's helped this team get to the NBA finals, a place where many a naysayer thought Doc would never sniff...you don't understand that his team is up 2-1 on a team experts predicted to blow the C's out of the water... you don't understand he's up 2-1 on arguably one of the greatest coaches of all time...nope, you don't understand

Dude, any coach can win with this team!!!

[cmoney]

Chris,

Actually, you're wrong, as I have actual data and whatnot to back it up.  And anyone watching saw that the only time Sheed got going, PJ was guarding him.  He was too slow to handle the Detroit bigs, namely McDyess.  He also did an awful job on the glass.  Like truly bad.  I made a point to watch him closely, he constantly failed to crash the glass when a shot went up on the defensive end.

Here are his stats by game:

Game 1:  18mins, 2/3FGs, 0/1 FTs, 4pts, 2 rebs, 2 asts. -1 +/- Not too bad.
Game 2:  18.5mins, 2/2 FGs, 4pts, 2 rebs, 2 asts. -5 +/-.  Not terrible, but not good.  Notice a trend with the rebounding.
Game 3:  21mins, 1/4 FGs, 2/2 FTs, 4 pts, 4 rebs, 1 ast, 1 blk.  -8 +/- (worst on team, only 1 of 2 guys in the negative, other being our buddy Sam).
Game 4:  16.5mins, 4/4 FTs, 4pts, 3 rebs, 2 TOs, -2 +/- .  Not too bad. Similar to game 1.
Game 5:  14mins, 0/2 FGs, 0 pts, 3 rebs, 1 ast, 2 TOs, -11 +/-.  Bad.
Game 6:  12mins, 0/1 FGs, 2/2 FTs, 2pts, 1 reb, 0 ast, 2 T0s, 1 blk.  4 PFs. -8 +/-.  Bad.

If this is what qualifies as excellent, I'd hate to see what bad is.  Now that I think about it game 6 I distinctly remember going nuts about Brown as he was playing really poorly late in the 3rd while Detroit made their run to go up by 10.   You can even see it here: http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20080530&game=BOSDET

You can also go take a look at 82games.com playoff data on him.  It's pretty [dang]ing, and considering the Detroit series accounts for a large portion of his minutes AND he played pretty well in a few CLE games, well you can figure it out.

[expobear]

Chris,

Actually, you're wrong, as I have actual data and whatnot to back it up.  And anyone watching saw that the only time Sheed got going, PJ was guarding him.  He was too slow to handle the Detroit bigs, namely McDyess.  He also did an awful job on the glass.  Like truly bad.  I made a point to watch him closely, he constantly failed to crash the glass when a shot went up on the defensive end.

Here are his stats by game:

Game 1:  18mins, 2/3FGs, 0/1 FTs, 4pts, 2 rebs, 2 asts. -1 +/- Not too bad.
Game 2:  18.5mins, 2/2 FGs, 4pts, 2 rebs, 2 asts. -5 +/-.  Not terrible, but not good.  Notice a trend with the rebounding.
Game 3:  21mins, 1/4 FGs, 2/2 FTs, 4 pts, 4 rebs, 1 ast, 1 blk.  -8 +/- (worst on team, only 1 of 2 guys in the negative, other being our buddy Sam).
Game 4:  16.5mins, 4/4 FTs, 4pts, 3 rebs, 2 TOs, -2 +/- .  Not too bad. Similar to game 1.
Game 5:  14mins, 0/2 FGs, 0 pts, 3 rebs, 1 ast, 2 TOs, -11 +/-.  Bad.
Game 6:  12mins, 0/1 FGs, 2/2 FTs, 2pts, 1 reb, 0 ast, 2 T0s, 1 blk.  4 PFs. -8 +/-.  Bad.

If this is what qualifies as excellent, I'd hate to see what bad is.

You can also go take a look at 82games.com playoff data on him.  It's pretty [dang]ing, and considering the Detroit series accounts for a large portion of his minutes AND he played pretty well in a few CLE games, well you can figure it out.

Anything to take minutes away from Powe is seen as a positive by Chris, so despite what your statistical analysis shows, Powe's defense still sucks, therefore, per Chris, Powe should not play or should play limited minutes.
Of course Chris can say this because the Celtics are in the finals.

[Chris]

Chris,

Actually, you're wrong, as I have actual data and whatnot to back it up.  And anyone watching saw that the only time Sheed got going, PJ was guarding him.  He was too slow to handle the Detroit bigs, namely McDyess.  He also did an awful job on the glass.  Like truly bad.  I made a point to watch him closely, he constantly failed to crash the glass when a shot went up on the defensive end.

Here are his stats by game:

Game 1:  18mins, 2/3FGs, 0/1 FTs, 4pts, 2 rebs, 2 asts. -1 +/- Not too bad.
Game 2:  18.5mins, 2/2 FGs, 4pts, 2 rebs, 2 asts. -5 +/-.  Not terrible, but not good.  Notice a trend with the rebounding.
Game 3:  21mins, 1/4 FGs, 2/2 FTs, 4 pts, 4 rebs, 1 ast, 1 blk.  -8 +/- (worst on team, only 1 of 2 guys in the negative, other being our buddy Sam).
Game 4:  16.5mins, 4/4 FTs, 4pts, 3 rebs, 2 TOs, -2 +/- .  Not too bad. Similar to game 1.
Game 5:  14mins, 0/2 FGs, 0 pts, 3 rebs, 1 ast, 2 TOs, -11 +/-.  Bad.
Game 6:  12mins, 0/1 FGs, 2/2 FTs, 2pts, 1 reb, 0 ast, 2 T0s, 1 blk.  4 PFs. -8 +/-.  Bad.

If this is what qualifies as excellent, I'd hate to see what bad is.

You can also go take a look at 82games.com playoff data on him.  It's pretty [dang]ing, and considering the Detroit series accounts for a large portion of his minutes AND he played pretty well in a few CLE games, well you can figure it out.

Anything to take minutes away from Powe is seen as a positive by Chris, so despite what your statistical analysis shows, Powe's defense still sucks, therefore, per Chris, Powe should not play or should play limited minutes.
Of course Chris can say this because the Celtics are in the finals.

OK, lets not start trying to mischaracterize my comments, or put words in my mouth.  You have made your point.  I disagree with you.  Lets leave it at that.

[wdleehi]

I would not be surprised if Powe is on the short stick again in terms of minutes.


I think Perk is prime for a big game. I think he should abuse Odom down low.


I expect PJ to bounce back from a dreadful game.




Not a shot at Powe, I just think the guys ahead of him step up big tonight. 

[RockinRyA]

careful on your attacks expobear..

i dont think powe did well last time.. when he doesnt get the calls or score, its much better to pull him out coz he rarely passes the ball when he gets it

i think the lakers were prepared for him too. maybe we could get bbd a try

[expobear]

careful on your attacks expobear..

i dont think powe did well last time.. when he doesnt get the calls or score, its much better to pull him out coz he rarely passes the ball when he gets it

i think the lakers were prepared for him too. maybe we could get bbd a try

Attacks on who, Rockin?