Anyone see what happened with House at the end of Game 4?

[jay_jay54]

Given that Rip Hamilton weighs almost as much as my fingernail, why is it against the rules to put House in at the shooting guard spot for some minutes there?

I don't know, I just don't see House being able to dodge the 14 screens they run for Rip every time down the court.

Maybe if our bigs start laying some hard picks,and give Rip something to remember coming through a few times,he might think a little harder about all the running around he does.In other words,someone,like Perk,KG needs to lambaste him(Rip) one or twice.

[Toine43]

My answer to the backup pg dilemma:

Usually I'm adamant about sticking with your own gameplan and not worrying too much about the opponent, but in this series Doc must wait for Flip to make his rotation decisions before adjusting accordingly.

Scenario 1
Flip inserts Hunter into the game with Rip at the sg position.
Doc's Reaction- Go with Cassell only, because House won't be able to handle Hunter's ball pressure as the point guard, and he couln't hope to defend Rip if he were playing the 2.

Scenario 2
Flip elects to go small, playing both Hunter and Stuckey at the same time, often with Rip at the 3.
Doc's Reaction- I've noticed Flip has gone to this lineup a lot in this series, and it seems like the perfect situation to have the best of both worlds on the floor. You still need Sam to bring the ball up, but you could also go with Eddie at the same time. Eddie can man up Stuckey just as well as anyone else on the Cs, and he can provide that instant burst of offense and energy that our second unit needs. Ray could play the 3 against Rip while Pierce rests.

Scenario 3
Stuckey is the point guard and Lindsey is out of the game.
Doc's Reaction- House.


Another Idea
Stack the lineup- Play Rondo whenever Hunter is in the game, even if he has to play slightly more time with the second unit. House or Cassell playing with the starters for a few minutes isn't the end of the world, especially if it means that we'll buy ourselves a bit of rhythm for the second unit. Sometimes all the starters need anyway is someone like House or Cassell to spread the floor. Doc has gone with House and the starters in crunch time during some regular season games. I don't see why it can't work (for just a few minutes at least) in the playoffs.

[Chris]

My answer to the backup pg dilemma:

Usually I'm adamant about sticking with your own gameplan and not worrying too much about the opponent, but in this series Doc must wait for Flip to make his rotation decisions before adjusting accordingly.

Scenario 1
Flip inserts Hunter into the game with Rip at the sg position.
Doc's Reaction- Go with Cassell only, because House won't be able to handle Hunter's ball pressure as the point guard, and he couln't hope to defend Rip if he were playing the 2.

Scenario 2
Flip elects to go small, playing both Hunter and Stuckey at the same time, often with Rip at the 3.
Doc's Reaction- I've noticed Flip has gone to this lineup a lot in this series, and it seems like the perfect situation to have the best of both worlds on the floor. You still need Sam to bring the ball up, but you could also go with Eddie at the same time. Eddie can man up Stuckey just as well as anyone else on the Cs, and he can provide that instant burst of offense and energy that our second unit needs. Ray could play the 3 against Rip while Pierce rests.

Scenario 3
Stuckey is the point guard and Lindsey is out of the game.
Doc's Reaction- House.


Another Idea
Stack the lineup- Play Rondo whenever Hunter is in the game, even if he has to play slightly more time with the second unit. House or Cassell playing with the starters for a few minutes isn't the end of the world, especially if it means that we'll buy ourselves a bit of rhythm for the second unit. Sometimes all the starters need anyway is someone like House or Cassell to spread the floor. Doc has gone with House and the starters in crunch time during some regular season games. I don't see why it can't work (for just a few minutes at least) in the playoffs.

I don't understand how you think House can handle Stuckey?  I mean, I know Cassell can't stick with him, but that doesn't mean it makes sense to put a guy 6 inches shorter than him on him.  Stuckey would just taking the ball to the hoop on House, and finishing over him, or drawing a foul.

[Toine43]

My answer to the backup pg dilemma:

Usually I'm adamant about sticking with your own gameplan and not worrying too much about the opponent, but in this series Doc must wait for Flip to make his rotation decisions before adjusting accordingly.

Scenario 1
Flip inserts Hunter into the game with Rip at the sg position.
Doc's Reaction- Go with Cassell only, because House won't be able to handle Hunter's ball pressure as the point guard, and he couln't hope to defend Rip if he were playing the 2.

Scenario 2
Flip elects to go small, playing both Hunter and Stuckey at the same time, often with Rip at the 3.
Doc's Reaction- I've noticed Flip has gone to this lineup a lot in this series, and it seems like the perfect situation to have the best of both worlds on the floor. You still need Sam to bring the ball up, but you could also go with Eddie at the same time. Eddie can man up Stuckey just as well as anyone else on the Cs, and he can provide that instant burst of offense and energy that our second unit needs. Ray could play the 3 against Rip while Pierce rests.

Scenario 3
Stuckey is the point guard and Lindsey is out of the game.
Doc's Reaction- House.


Another Idea
Stack the lineup- Play Rondo whenever Hunter is in the game, even if he has to play slightly more time with the second unit. House or Cassell playing with the starters for a few minutes isn't the end of the world, especially if it means that we'll buy ourselves a bit of rhythm for the second unit. Sometimes all the starters need anyway is someone like House or Cassell to spread the floor. Doc has gone with House and the starters in crunch time during some regular season games. I don't see why it can't work (for just a few minutes at least) in the playoffs.

I don't understand how you think House can handle Stuckey?  I mean, I know Cassell can't stick with him, but that doesn't mean it makes sense to put a guy 6 inches shorter than him on him.  Stuckey would just taking the ball to the hoop on House, and finishing over him, or drawing a foul.

Both House and Rondo are listed at 6'1. Stuckey is listed at 6'5. Although Rondo is obviously much better than House defensively (except vs. the pick and roll), the fact that Doc went with the 6'1 Rondo on Stuckey should in theory prove that House could play against Stuckey. And if it's either Cassell or House, I'll go with House despite the height disparity. He plays much tougher defense than Sam.

We can just agree to disagree if you want, but I believe matching up Eddie versus  Stuckey is a way to get Eddie's shooting and energy into the game without compromising too much on defense. Nobody's stopping Stuckey one-on-one if he gets hot, so we might as well go with the best offensive player that we can go with against him. And since he won't pressure the ball like Hunter, I say go with Eddie.

[Bahku]

I don't think it's a matter of who matches up better with Stuckey ... neither Sam or Eddie can defend him effectively. It's more a question of liability and tempo, and House is clearly the only choice ... I just see very little positive that Cassell brings to this team, unless he's hitting his shot, and who the heck knows when that will be? It's only about one out of every five games, and that's just not worth much consideration.

I hate to say it, but Sam is doing exactly what I feared, (and said), he would do before he came here, and I wish having to discuss him as a problem on this team had never happened ... bringing him here was a horrible decision, and I honestly can't believe that so many people, Danny included, didn't see what a mistake it was. Water under the bridge ... but very muddy water. House should always be first off the bench, because when Sam plays, we don't run, and when we don't run, we LOSE.

[crownsy]

My answer to the backup pg dilemma:

Usually I'm adamant about sticking with your own gameplan and not worrying too much about the opponent, but in this series Doc must wait for Flip to make his rotation decisions before adjusting accordingly.

Scenario 1
Flip inserts Hunter into the game with Rip at the sg position.
Doc's Reaction- Go with Cassell only, because House won't be able to handle Hunter's ball pressure as the point guard, and he couln't hope to defend Rip if he were playing the 2.

Scenario 2
Flip elects to go small, playing both Hunter and Stuckey at the same time, often with Rip at the 3.
Doc's Reaction- I've noticed Flip has gone to this lineup a lot in this series, and it seems like the perfect situation to have the best of both worlds on the floor. You still need Sam to bring the ball up, but you could also go with Eddie at the same time. Eddie can man up Stuckey just as well as anyone else on the Cs, and he can provide that instant burst of offense and energy that our second unit needs. Ray could play the 3 against Rip while Pierce rests.

Scenario 3
Stuckey is the point guard and Lindsey is out of the game.
Doc's Reaction- House.


Another Idea
Stack the lineup- Play Rondo whenever Hunter is in the game, even if he has to play slightly more time with the second unit. House or Cassell playing with the starters for a few minutes isn't the end of the world, especially if it means that we'll buy ourselves a bit of rhythm for the second unit. Sometimes all the starters need anyway is someone like House or Cassell to spread the floor. Doc has gone with House and the starters in crunch time during some regular season games. I don't see why it can't work (for just a few minutes at least) in the playoffs.

I don't understand how you think House can handle Stuckey?  I mean, I know Cassell can't stick with him, but that doesn't mean it makes sense to put a guy 6 inches shorter than him on him.  Stuckey would just taking the ball to the hoop on House, and finishing over him, or drawing a foul.

Both House and Rondo are listed at 6'1. Stuckey is listed at 6'5. Although Rondo is obviously much better than House defensively (except vs. the pick and roll), the fact that Doc went with the 6'1 Rondo on Stuckey should in theory prove that House could play against Stuckey. And if it's either Cassell or House, I'll go with House despite the height disparity. He plays much tougher defense than Sam.

We can just agree to disagree if you want, but I believe matching up Eddie versus  Stuckey is a way to get Eddie's shooting and energy into the game without compromising too much on defense. Nobody's stopping Stuckey one-on-one if he gets hot, so we might as well go with the best offensive player that we can go with against him. And since he won't pressure the ball like Hunter, I say go with Eddie.

i don't see what doc going with rondo on stucky proves, its not like were going to never play rondo on the floor while there's a mismatch.

I do agree though that eddie should get some burn.

the most frustrating thing to me is, why is doc incapable of seeing that either eddie or sam doesn't have it (i.e sam in game 4) and go to the other one in the same game?

it's like he thinks that once he makes the backup PG decision in his head, the other guy gets the night off. note to doc: if your first choice has a bad first shift, its ok to try out the other one.

[RockinRyA]

yeah.. thats what ive been thinking too.. doc cant seem to adjust within the game.. if one of his guards dont play well.. say cassell was inserted at the second.. then it seems he doesnt have his shot or is really playing terrible.. then why not go for house later on? same with powe/bbd.. whoever works, use it. it really seems that if he puts in his mind that one player will play hel play him no matter his performance was