Doc Rivers

[Edgar]

Agree with a lot here
 here my 2 centavos

Was great to see Doc pulling Cassell out when he lost that ball, yes i thinkthat send a message, as posted by footey ( I think).
He win his Xs Os , maybe was a little luck involved but I will take that anyday
He put his best FTs shooters when needed and Rebounders when needed, he did just right, Theres no need to keep Perk and Rondo when u know they will foul u.

After all I am happy, i am nervous but I am happy
i really hope and think we can take this series over on friday

Edgar

[BudweiserCeltic]

Well, I have to say, Doc coached pretty close to a perfect game last night (at least as close as I have ever seen from him).

The rotation was perfect IMO.  He shortened it, and he did not let any of the bench players kill them.

He also was perfect in the last couple of minutes.  He did an excellent job with subbing for defense/rebounds/foul shooting, and had them foul at all the right times.

A few concerns, prior to Game 6:

1) Posey and P.J. were both pretty ineffective (-15 and -11, respectively).  Should we consider going to Powe or somebody else?

2) Perk and Rondo tired a bit down the stretch.  How do we find them brief moments of rest?

3) The team still can't beat a simple zone press.  This should have been emphasized after Game 3, and certainly should be after last night.  How can the team be this unprepared for something Detroit already showed them?

I don't blame Doc for points 1 and 2, I'd just like to see him make adjustments prior to Game 6.  Overall, the strategy of riding the starters is a good one, especially since Sam coughed the ball up almost immediately after being put in the game.  I like that Doc is willing to stand up to Cassell and discipline him for carelessness (and getting the ball stolen from you in the backcourt is sheer carelessness).

Point 3...  well, that's coaching.  The players need to execute, but they were making the exact same mistakes over and over.  Running the pick-and-roll in that situation is just crazy, and I can't imagine that the players dreamed it up on their own.  I can't for the life of me understand it, and it needs to be corrected immediately.

Oh, and we started fouling too early.  I've got to think that was Rondo's mistake, though, rather than Doc's.

Point 3 is completely on the players... you can see it in their body language. They stop doing what they're supposed to, and they know it. They've practiced how to break the trap, they have studied it, but they stop doing what they need to do as if they were scared. They keep passing up wide-open shots and turning them into turnovers... that's not on Doc, and that was one of the main problems.

As I said before, the pick and roll was of little issue because with Rondo's defeder roaming around, Pierce is getting trapped regardless. And Rondo shouldn't be putting himself in a position to get trapped anyways pick-and-roll or not. That's why he's a good ball handler and has the speed that he has.  Also, compare how Pierce was attacking the pick-and-roll against Cleveland and early in the Detroit series, with how he is attacking it in the late 4th quarter. It's completely different, and it's a matter of execution. They're playing too passive, and that plays into the traps' hand.

[wdleehi]

Well, I have to say, Doc coached pretty close to a perfect game last night (at least as close as I have ever seen from him).

The rotation was perfect IMO.  He shortened it, and he did not let any of the bench players kill them.

He also was perfect in the last couple of minutes.  He did an excellent job with subbing for defense/rebounds/foul shooting, and had them foul at all the right times.

A few concerns, prior to Game 6:

1) Posey and P.J. were both pretty ineffective (-15 and -11, respectively).  Should we consider going to Powe or somebody else?

2) Perk and Rondo tired a bit down the stretch.  How do we find them brief moments of rest?

3) The team still can't beat a simple zone press.  This should have been emphasized after Game 3, and certainly should be after last night.  How can the team be this unprepared for something Detroit already showed them?

I don't blame Doc for points 1 and 2, I'd just like to see him make adjustments prior to Game 6.  Overall, the strategy of riding the starters is a good one, especially since Sam coughed the ball up almost immediately after being put in the game.  I like that Doc is willing to stand up to Cassell and discipline him for carelessness (and getting the ball stolen from you in the backcourt is sheer carelessness).

Point 3...  well, that's coaching.  The players need to execute, but they were making the exact same mistakes over and over.  Running the pick-and-roll in that situation is just crazy, and I can't imagine that the players dreamed it up on their own.  I can't for the life of me understand it, and it needs to be corrected immediately.

Oh, and we started fouling too early.  I've got to think that was Rondo's mistake, though, rather than Doc's.

Point 3 is completely on the players... you can see it in their body language. They stop doing what they're supposed to, and they know it. They've practiced how to break the trap, they have studied it, but they stop doing what they need to do as if they were scared. They keep passing up wide-open shots and turning them into turnovers... that's not on Doc, and that was one of the main problems.

As I said before, the pick and roll was of little issue because with Rondo's defeder roaming around, Pierce is getting trapped regardless. And Rondo shouldn't be putting himself in a position to get trapped anyways pick-and-roll or not. That's why he's a good ball handler and has the speed that he has.  Also, compare how Pierce was attacking the pick-and-roll against Cleveland and early in the Detroit series, with how he is attacking it in the late 4th quarter. It's completely different, and it's a matter of execution. They're playing too passive, and that plays into the traps' hand.

If that is the case, why are the Celtics still trying to run the pick and roll? 

There needs to be an adjustment made to the offense at that point.  That's the coaches job. 

[Chris]

Well, I have to say, Doc coached pretty close to a perfect game last night (at least as close as I have ever seen from him).

The rotation was perfect IMO.  He shortened it, and he did not let any of the bench players kill them.

He also was perfect in the last couple of minutes.  He did an excellent job with subbing for defense/rebounds/foul shooting, and had them foul at all the right times.

A few concerns, prior to Game 6:

1) Posey and P.J. were both pretty ineffective (-15 and -11, respectively).  Should we consider going to Powe or somebody else?

2) Perk and Rondo tired a bit down the stretch.  How do we find them brief moments of rest?

3) The team still can't beat a simple zone press.  This should have been emphasized after Game 3, and certainly should be after last night.  How can the team be this unprepared for something Detroit already showed them?

I don't blame Doc for points 1 and 2, I'd just like to see him make adjustments prior to Game 6.  Overall, the strategy of riding the starters is a good one, especially since Sam coughed the ball up almost immediately after being put in the game.  I like that Doc is willing to stand up to Cassell and discipline him for carelessness (and getting the ball stolen from you in the backcourt is sheer carelessness).

Point 3...  well, that's coaching.  The players need to execute, but they were making the exact same mistakes over and over.  Running the pick-and-roll in that situation is just crazy, and I can't imagine that the players dreamed it up on their own.  I can't for the life of me understand it, and it needs to be corrected immediately.

Oh, and we started fouling too early.  I've got to think that was Rondo's mistake, though, rather than Doc's.

1) Posey isn't going anywhere, and although it might be worth giving Powe a shot, considering PJ's biggest issue was being late on the rotations, and he is much better than Powe at them in general, I am not too confident in him turning it around.  I do think PJ has played good defense for the majority of the series, but just had a bad game last night.  But if he misses another rotation like he did last night, they should give Powe or Baby a shot.

2) I don't know what to do about this.  If the bench is getting killed like they have been, its tough to sit those guys down.  They might just have to man up...this is the playoffs.

3) I think this is on the coaching a bit, but also on the players.  They need to be able to recognize the trap MUCH quicker, and pass out of it, rather than trying to dribble out of it.  They kept trying to break the press themselves, and then making dumb passes.  Doc does deserve a little responsibility here, but these are veterans, and they need to make better decision on that.

I also don't know if it was playcalling so much, because they never were able to run plays at the end of the game.  They were getting trapped so quickly on 80% of the plays, that it would completely throw the play off.  Doc needs to come up with a solution to this...but much more than that, the players need to stop panicking.

4) How did we foul too early???  They fouled with 8 seconds left, as Stuckey was running free.  If they waited any longer, there was too much of a chance that they would foul them when they were shooting.  You can't take chances on waiting too long in a situation like that, otherwise, you risk the chance of them actually getting off a 3 pointer, or getting an and-1.

[EJPLAYA]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

[wdleehi]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

What are the players being told?


All I have ever heard was the Celtics need to 'run their stuff.' 


Well, up to that point, 'their stuff' has been built around the pick and roll.  The exact thing this defense takes away. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

Well, I have to say, Doc coached pretty close to a perfect game last night (at least as close as I have ever seen from him).

The rotation was perfect IMO.  He shortened it, and he did not let any of the bench players kill them.

He also was perfect in the last couple of minutes.  He did an excellent job with subbing for defense/rebounds/foul shooting, and had them foul at all the right times.

A few concerns, prior to Game 6:

1) Posey and P.J. were both pretty ineffective (-15 and -11, respectively).  Should we consider going to Powe or somebody else?

2) Perk and Rondo tired a bit down the stretch.  How do we find them brief moments of rest?

3) The team still can't beat a simple zone press.  This should have been emphasized after Game 3, and certainly should be after last night.  How can the team be this unprepared for something Detroit already showed them?

I don't blame Doc for points 1 and 2, I'd just like to see him make adjustments prior to Game 6.  Overall, the strategy of riding the starters is a good one, especially since Sam coughed the ball up almost immediately after being put in the game.  I like that Doc is willing to stand up to Cassell and discipline him for carelessness (and getting the ball stolen from you in the backcourt is sheer carelessness).

Point 3...  well, that's coaching.  The players need to execute, but they were making the exact same mistakes over and over.  Running the pick-and-roll in that situation is just crazy, and I can't imagine that the players dreamed it up on their own.  I can't for the life of me understand it, and it needs to be corrected immediately.

Oh, and we started fouling too early.  I've got to think that was Rondo's mistake, though, rather than Doc's.

Point 3 is completely on the players... you can see it in their body language. They stop doing what they're supposed to, and they know it. They've practiced how to break the trap, they have studied it, but they stop doing what they need to do as if they were scared. They keep passing up wide-open shots and turning them into turnovers... that's not on Doc, and that was one of the main problems.

As I said before, the pick and roll was of little issue because with Rondo's defeder roaming around, Pierce is getting trapped regardless. And Rondo shouldn't be putting himself in a position to get trapped anyways pick-and-roll or not. That's why he's a good ball handler and has the speed that he has.  Also, compare how Pierce was attacking the pick-and-roll against Cleveland and early in the Detroit series, with how he is attacking it in the late 4th quarter. It's completely different, and it's a matter of execution. They're playing too passive, and that plays into the traps' hand.

If that is the case, why are the Celtics still trying to run the pick and roll? 

There needs to be an adjustment made to the offense at that point.  That's the coaches job. 

Who was defending Pierce in the 4th? Hamilton right? Pierce couldn't do crap one on one against Hamilton. Defender have made a living through Pierce's career of stealing the ball from him. This is not a pick-and-roll thing, and then you add the extra defender that comes because people keep ignoring Rondo and Rondo does nothing about it. This has little to do with the pick-and-roll.

[WedmanIsMyHero]

If you are right about this that means the Celtics can't adjust to deal with the trap -- and that is bad news for the last 2 games of the series.

Well, I have to say, Doc coached pretty close to a perfect game last night (at least as close as I have ever seen from him).

The rotation was perfect IMO.  He shortened it, and he did not let any of the bench players kill them.

He also was perfect in the last couple of minutes.  He did an excellent job with subbing for defense/rebounds/foul shooting, and had them foul at all the right times.

A few concerns, prior to Game 6:

1) Posey and P.J. were both pretty ineffective (-15 and -11, respectively).  Should we consider going to Powe or somebody else?

2) Perk and Rondo tired a bit down the stretch.  How do we find them brief moments of rest?

3) The team still can't beat a simple zone press.  This should have been emphasized after Game 3, and certainly should be after last night.  How can the team be this unprepared for something Detroit already showed them?

I don't blame Doc for points 1 and 2, I'd just like to see him make adjustments prior to Game 6.  Overall, the strategy of riding the starters is a good one, especially since Sam coughed the ball up almost immediately after being put in the game.  I like that Doc is willing to stand up to Cassell and discipline him for carelessness (and getting the ball stolen from you in the backcourt is sheer carelessness).

Point 3...  well, that's coaching.  The players need to execute, but they were making the exact same mistakes over and over.  Running the pick-and-roll in that situation is just crazy, and I can't imagine that the players dreamed it up on their own.  I can't for the life of me understand it, and it needs to be corrected immediately.

Oh, and we started fouling too early.  I've got to think that was Rondo's mistake, though, rather than Doc's.

Point 3 is completely on the players... you can see it in their body language. They stop doing what they're supposed to, and they know it. They've practiced how to break the trap, they have studied it, but they stop doing what they need to do as if they were scared. They keep passing up wide-open shots and turning them into turnovers... that's not on Doc, and that was one of the main problems.

As I said before, the pick and roll was of little issue because with Rondo's defeder roaming around, Pierce is getting trapped regardless. And Rondo shouldn't be putting himself in a position to get trapped anyways pick-and-roll or not. That's why he's a good ball handler and has the speed that he has.  Also, compare how Pierce was attacking the pick-and-roll against Cleveland and early in the Detroit series, with how he is attacking it in the late 4th quarter. It's completely different, and it's a matter of execution. They're playing too passive, and that plays into the traps' hand.

If that is the case, why are the Celtics still trying to run the pick and roll? 

There needs to be an adjustment made to the offense at that point.  That's the coaches job. 

Who was defending Pierce in the 4th? Hamilton right? Pierce couldn't do crap one on one against Hamilton. Defender have made a living through Pierce's career of stealing the ball from him. This is not a pick-and-roll thing, and then you add the extra defender that comes because people keep ignoring Rondo and Rondo does nothing about it. This has little to do with the pick-and-roll.

[EJPLAYA]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

What are the players being told?


All I have ever heard was the Celtics need to 'run their stuff.' 


Well, up to that point, 'their stuff' has been built around the pick and roll.  The exact thing this defense takes away. 

Oh, you mean that Doc didn't call you personally and tell you all the details of how they prepare for this in their practices?! He only told the media that they needed to "run their stuff"?! Interesting! You see he called me personally and told me that this was just the generalities that coaches quote to the media so they don't give away their game plan, and more importantly don't have to try to explain these things in detail.

They have worked for their entire careers on breaking a press. What to do when they get trapped. What the other players on the floor need to do to be in position to help them with the trap. Do you really think that these players don't know this and that in practice Doc just yells "run your stuff"?! Come on. There were some match-up issues at times, but the majority of that breakdown was due to Rondo putting Pierce in a position to get trapped high and away from the basket. That and players not rotating to him correctly. That's on them. They're professionals and know what to do. It's not from lack of instruction.

[wdleehi]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

What are the players being told?


All I have ever heard was the Celtics need to 'run their stuff.' 


Well, up to that point, 'their stuff' has been built around the pick and roll.  The exact thing this defense takes away. 

Oh, you mean that Doc didn't call you personally and tell you all the details of how they prepare for this in their practices?! He only told the media that they needed to "run their stuff"?! Interesting! You see he called me personally and told me that this was just the generalities that coaches quote to the media so they don't give away their game plan, and more importantly don't have to try to explain these things in detail.

They have worked for their entire careers on breaking a press. What to do when they get trapped. What the other players on the floor need to do to be in position to help them with the trap. Do you really think that these players don't know this and that in practice Doc just yells "run your stuff"?! Come on. There were some match-up issues at times, but the majority of that breakdown was due to Rondo putting Pierce in a position to get trapped high and away from the basket. That and players not rotating to him correctly. That's on them. They're professionals and know what to do. It's not from lack of instruction.

He told you?



So all we know is the Celtics continue to run an offense that leads to turnovers and bad shots when the Pistons go to this defense.

[nickagneta]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

What are the players being told?


All I have ever heard was the Celtics need to 'run their stuff.' 


Well, up to that point, 'their stuff' has been built around the pick and roll.  The exact thing this defense takes away. 

So let me see if I have this right. You think that after all the years of playing high school, college, and professional basketball and now coaching that Doc Rivers can not only not recognize a press trap, but also that he thinks the best way out of it is to "run their stuff" meaning their regular offense?

Simply because that's all you have ever heard him say in a press conference or in the total audio and video footage of about 20 minutes total that the networks have played spanning hundreds and hundreds of hours of games, you think that's all Doc is telling these guys in the huddles?

I know you have no respect for the guy as a coach and will do whatever you can to question his every move(many times validly), but you're way off base here if you think that not only Doc, but the entire Boston coaching staff didn't recognize what was happening and didn't tell the players the right things to do.

Believing that Doc is an imbecile simply because you don't like him as a coach isn't exactly the right way to jump to conclusions.

I believe the entire coaching staff told these guys what to do and I believe they have practiced it many, many times. I don't have proof, I'm not at their practices, I'm not in their huddles. But I will give the entire coaching staff a lot more credit than you apparently will and say that I think they were able to figure out what was happening and the players just didn't execute.

After all about one hundred years of combined basketball playing and coaching experience sits on that bench with the players. I seriously doubt the team would be 5 wins from a title if all that coaching experience couldn't recognize the press trap or properly call the right press break to counter it.

[wdleehi]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

What are the players being told?


All I have ever heard was the Celtics need to 'run their stuff.' 


Well, up to that point, 'their stuff' has been built around the pick and roll.  The exact thing this defense takes away. 

So let me see if I have this right. You think that after all the years of playing high school, college, and professional basketball and now coaching that Doc Rivers can not only not recognize a press trap, but also that he thinks the best way out of it is to "run their stuff" meaning their regular offense?

Simply because that's all you have ever heard him say in a press conference or in the total audio and video footage of about 20 minutes total that the networks have played spanning hundreds and hundreds of hours of games, you think that's all Doc is telling these guys in the huddles?

I know you have no respect for the guy as a coach and will do whatever you can to question his every move(many times validly), but you're way off base here if you think that not only Doc, but the entire Boston coaching staff didn't recognize what was happening and didn't tell the players the right things to do.

Believing that Doc is an imbecile simply because you don't like him as a coach isn't exactly the right way to jump to conclusions.

I believe the entire coaching staff told these guys what to do and I believe they have practiced it many, many times. I don't have proof, I'm not at their practices, I'm not in their huddles. But I will give the entire coaching staff a lot more credit than you apparently will and say that I think they were able to figure out what was happening and the players just didn't execute.

After all about one hundred years of combined basketball playing and coaching experience sits on that bench with the players. I seriously doubt the team would be 5 wins from a title if all that coaching experience couldn't recognize the press trap or properly call the right press break to counter it.

I have no clue what Doc is telling them.  I have no clue what Doc is calling.


All we know is the Celtics are still trying to run the pick and roll at those moments. 

[nickagneta]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

What are the players being told?


All I have ever heard was the Celtics need to 'run their stuff.' 


Well, up to that point, 'their stuff' has been built around the pick and roll.  The exact thing this defense takes away. 

So let me see if I have this right. You think that after all the years of playing high school, college, and professional basketball and now coaching that Doc Rivers can not only not recognize a press trap, but also that he thinks the best way out of it is to "run their stuff" meaning their regular offense?

Simply because that's all you have ever heard him say in a press conference or in the total audio and video footage of about 20 minutes total that the networks have played spanning hundreds and hundreds of hours of games, you think that's all Doc is telling these guys in the huddles?

I know you have no respect for the guy as a coach and will do whatever you can to question his every move(many times validly), but you're way off base here if you think that not only Doc, but the entire Boston coaching staff didn't recognize what was happening and didn't tell the players the right things to do.

Believing that Doc is an imbecile simply because you don't like him as a coach isn't exactly the right way to jump to conclusions.

I believe the entire coaching staff told these guys what to do and I believe they have practiced it many, many times. I don't have proof, I'm not at their practices, I'm not in their huddles. But I will give the entire coaching staff a lot more credit than you apparently will and say that I think they were able to figure out what was happening and the players just didn't execute.

After all about one hundred years of combined basketball playing and coaching experience sits on that bench with the players. I seriously doubt the team would be 5 wins from a title if all that coaching experience couldn't recognize the press trap or properly call the right press break to counter it.

I have no clue what Doc is telling them.  I have no clue what Doc is calling.


All we know is the Celtics are still trying to run the pick and roll at those moments. 

Unreal!!!

So all we know is what you saw them running and so Doc wasn't doing his job and the players are blameless once again because they never do anything unless Doc tells them to do it.

I can see this convo is going nowhere.

Later.

[Roy Hobbs]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

What are the players being told?


All I have ever heard was the Celtics need to 'run their stuff.' 


Well, up to that point, 'their stuff' has been built around the pick and roll.  The exact thing this defense takes away. 

So let me see if I have this right. You think that after all the years of playing high school, college, and professional basketball and now coaching that Doc Rivers can not only not recognize a press trap, but also that he thinks the best way out of it is to "run their stuff" meaning their regular offense?

Simply because that's all you have ever heard him say in a press conference or in the total audio and video footage of about 20 minutes total that the networks have played spanning hundreds and hundreds of hours of games, you think that's all Doc is telling these guys in the huddles?

I know you have no respect for the guy as a coach and will do whatever you can to question his every move(many times validly), but you're way off base here if you think that not only Doc, but the entire Boston coaching staff didn't recognize what was happening and didn't tell the players the right things to do.

Believing that Doc is an imbecile simply because you don't like him as a coach isn't exactly the right way to jump to conclusions.

I believe the entire coaching staff told these guys what to do and I believe they have practiced it many, many times. I don't have proof, I'm not at their practices, I'm not in their huddles. But I will give the entire coaching staff a lot more credit than you apparently will and say that I think they were able to figure out what was happening and the players just didn't execute.

After all about one hundred years of combined basketball playing and coaching experience sits on that bench with the players. I seriously doubt the team would be 5 wins from a title if all that coaching experience couldn't recognize the press trap or properly call the right press break to counter it.

While I agree that this logically makes sense, the fact is that there were no visible adjustments in either Game 3 or Game 5 to beat the press.  The players were making the exact same mistakes repeatedly.  If the players are absolutely refusing to implement Doc's instructions, then he needs to get new players in there, rather than watching them blatantly disregarding his orders and hemorrhaging a big lead for two wins in a row.

(The players and their lack of execution here is obviously heavily to blame, because regardless of Doc's adjustments or lack thereof, I doubt he's telling his players to dribble the ball to the sidelines or to make lazy passes.)

[wdleehi]

My 9 year old knows you pass before the trap comes vs. after they are there. These players know that too. It's not Doc's fault they continue to do this. They have been told. They have practised it.

What I think kills them is when Rondo takes the inbound pass and slowly brings it up the floor which allows them to set this up. We need to push this up the floor and attack before they set up. This way we will end up with layups instead of turnovers!

What are the players being told?


All I have ever heard was the Celtics need to 'run their stuff.' 


Well, up to that point, 'their stuff' has been built around the pick and roll.  The exact thing this defense takes away. 

So let me see if I have this right. You think that after all the years of playing high school, college, and professional basketball and now coaching that Doc Rivers can not only not recognize a press trap, but also that he thinks the best way out of it is to "run their stuff" meaning their regular offense?

Simply because that's all you have ever heard him say in a press conference or in the total audio and video footage of about 20 minutes total that the networks have played spanning hundreds and hundreds of hours of games, you think that's all Doc is telling these guys in the huddles?

I know you have no respect for the guy as a coach and will do whatever you can to question his every move(many times validly), but you're way off base here if you think that not only Doc, but the entire Boston coaching staff didn't recognize what was happening and didn't tell the players the right things to do.

Believing that Doc is an imbecile simply because you don't like him as a coach isn't exactly the right way to jump to conclusions.

I believe the entire coaching staff told these guys what to do and I believe they have practiced it many, many times. I don't have proof, I'm not at their practices, I'm not in their huddles. But I will give the entire coaching staff a lot more credit than you apparently will and say that I think they were able to figure out what was happening and the players just didn't execute.

After all about one hundred years of combined basketball playing and coaching experience sits on that bench with the players. I seriously doubt the team would be 5 wins from a title if all that coaching experience couldn't recognize the press trap or properly call the right press break to counter it.

I have no clue what Doc is telling them.  I have no clue what Doc is calling.


All we know is the Celtics are still trying to run the pick and roll at those moments. 

Unreal!!!

So all we know is what you saw them running and so Doc wasn't doing his job and the players are blameless once again because they never do anything unless Doc tells them to do it.

I can see this convo is going nowhere.

Later.

I missed the part where I said the players are blameless.