Powe vs. Glenn Davis

[PosImpos]

Sign Powe. We can get him cheaper than Baby now that Powe is hurt.

Baby is going to prove to be too attractive for other teams.

I disagree.  Resign Baby.  Powe has two weak knees, and though we need his skillset, we could really use that skillset in somebody 2-3 inches taller.  Keep BBD and sign a taller / longer FA with something like Powe's skillset (or more).  That's the ideal imo.

[LB3533]

Sign Powe. We can get him cheaper than Baby now that Powe is hurt.

Baby is going to prove to be too attractive for other teams.

I disagree.  Resign Baby.  Powe has two weak knees, and though we need his skillset, we could really use that skillset in somebody 2-3 inches taller.  Keep BBD and sign a taller / longer FA with something like Powe's skillset (or more).  That's the ideal imo.

If we are rebuilding then sign Baby who I think will cost more.

If we are "reloading" we need to save money to sign a free agent not in the mold of Mikki Moore or Stephon Marbury. So signing Powe, who I think will be cheaper now that he is hurt, is the fiscally responsible way to go.

[arctic 3.0]

if we could graft leon's oddly long arms onto davis we would be all set.

since that is not likely i wonder if we should sign either.
looking beyond KG i see davis as a better option because he and perk fit together better. however in a future starting role his lack of height (or oddly long arms) and subsequent lack of shot blocking ability would limit our defensive effectiveness.


if we let both walk who could we bring in this summer with our cap space?

charlie V is not going to help or d.

how about that kid in orlando Marcin Gorat?

man i wish bbd was 3 inches taller.
(maybe i'm wrong, maybe BBD can evlove into a boozer/barkley undersized power forward star, i hope so...)

[EJPLAYA]

It's a lot easier to get an undersized PF who can shoot from the outside than to get an undersized PF who can rebound like Powe and has legitamate post moves. Powe's skill set is harder to replace, therefore you sign him. It doesn't hurt that he will likely come cheaper with this injury, however there are going to be a couple of GM's out there that know his value and may give him more than we want to pay.

[D Dub]

Well, its now at least a lot more feasible to re-sign both.  I can't see Powe passing on the qualifying offer.  

As good as Baby has been, if I were an opposing GM, I would hesitate to sign on longer term for an undersized PF with a history of wieght issues.  The track record isn't good for players of his body type to deliver long term.  

And now with everyone tightening the purse strings, those Ronny Turiaf-type deals are going to be very scarce this offseason.

[expobear]

It's a lot easier to get an undersized PF who can shoot from the outside than to get an undersized PF who can rebound like Powe and has legitamate post moves. Powe's skill set is harder to replace, therefore you sign him. It doesn't hurt that he will likely come cheaper with this injury, however there are going to be a couple of GM's out there that know his value and may give him more than we want to pay.

EJ,

I hope you're right in that there are some GMs out there who are willing to pay for Powe.
I have to think this may be a career threatening, if not career ending injury for Powe. Like I've said before, I just want Powe to get a multi-year contract for 3-4 million per year. The timing of this injury has certainly put a multi year contract in jeopardy....I just hope Powe will still be able to play in the NBA.

[Chris]

It's a lot easier to get an undersized PF who can shoot from the outside than to get an undersized PF who can rebound like Powe and has legitamate post moves. Powe's skill set is harder to replace, therefore you sign him. It doesn't hurt that he will likely come cheaper with this injury, however there are going to be a couple of GM's out there that know his value and may give him more than we want to pay.

EJ,

I hope you're right in that there are some GMs out there who are willing to pay for Powe.
I have to think this may be a career threatening, if not career ending injury for Powe. Like I've said before, I just want Powe to get a multi-year contract for 3-4 million per year. The timing of this injury has certainly put a multi year contract in jeopardy....I just hope Powe will still be able to play in the NBA.

I think this injury basically guarantees Powe will be playing for the C's next year on a small contract, or nowhere at all.  If he is healthy enough that another team will take a chance on him, there is no way they will give him more money than the C's will match.

This really is terrible news for Powe, who really deserved a contract that would set his family for life.  I hope he can come back from it...and if there is anyone who can, it is Powe.

[expobear]

It's a lot easier to get an undersized PF who can shoot from the outside than to get an undersized PF who can rebound like Powe and has legitamate post moves. Powe's skill set is harder to replace, therefore you sign him. It doesn't hurt that he will likely come cheaper with this injury, however there are going to be a couple of GM's out there that know his value and may give him more than we want to pay.

EJ,

I hope you're right in that there are some GMs out there who are willing to pay for Powe.
I have to think this may be a career threatening, if not career ending injury for Powe. Like I've said before, I just want Powe to get a multi-year contract for 3-4 million per year. The timing of this injury has certainly put a multi year contract in jeopardy....I just hope Powe will still be able to play in the NBA.

I think this injury basically guarantees Powe will be playing for the C's next year on a small contract, or nowhere at all.  If he is healthy enough that another team will take a chance on him, there is no way they will give him more money than the C's will match.

This really is terrible news for Powe, who really deserved a contract that would set his family for life.  I hope he can come back from it...and if there is anyone who can, it is Powe.

Chris,

Out of curiosity, if Powe signs with the Celtics next year, what is the minimum they would pay him?  Is there a minimum salary for having played 3 years?

[Mr October]

I think Powe will be back for 1 year at about $1.5 if he is reasonably healthy. It is in his best interest to maintain continuity and play for a contract in 2010. If his knees didn't get destroyed this year, I thought he'd be looking at a ceiling of $14/4.

Baby looks like he is worth something like 9/3. It is looking very possible to bring them both back.

But of course more importantly we need another big with better size, skill.

[Eeyore III]

how about that kid in orlando Marcin Gorat?

man i wish bbd was 3 inches taller.
(maybe i'm wrong, maybe BBD can evlove into a boozer/barkley undersized power forward star, i hope so...)

I like Gortat; he isn't the total answer, but he would give us a competent 7-footer with some beef.

I like a big-man rotation of KG, Perk and Baby, though.  Unless Baby plays himself into a big contract, that might be one acceptable option; he isn't tall, but he does have bulk.

[cordobes]

It's a lot easier to get an undersized PF who can shoot from the outside than to get an undersized PF who can rebound like Powe and has legitamate post moves. Powe's skill set is harder to replace, therefore you sign him. It doesn't hurt that he will likely come cheaper with this injury, however there are going to be a couple of GM's out there that know his value and may give him more than we want to pay.

EJ,

I hope you're right in that there are some GMs out there who are willing to pay for Powe.
I have to think this may be a career threatening, if not career ending injury for Powe. Like I've said before, I just want Powe to get a multi-year contract for 3-4 million per year. The timing of this injury has certainly put a multi year contract in jeopardy....I just hope Powe will still be able to play in the NBA.

I think this injury basically guarantees Powe will be playing for the C's next year on a small contract, or nowhere at all.  If he is healthy enough that another team will take a chance on him, there is no way they will give him more money than the C's will match.

This really is terrible news for Powe, who really deserved a contract that would set his family for life.  I hope he can come back from it...and if there is anyone who can, it is Powe.

Chris,

Out of curiosity, if Powe signs with the Celtics next year, what is the minimum they would pay him?  Is there a minimum salary for having played 3 years?

Yes, there is. It will be $855,189. I think the C's can be able to sign him for the minimum (not fully guaranteed) with a team option for the 2nd year. If Powe recovers, he can be a real bargain for 2 years; if not, they can cut before January and it won't be a very costly operation.

[ben]

I'm hoping that a silver lining to this injury is that we will be able to afford to keep Powe next year.  If a healthy Powe was unleashed this postseason, his price would have gone wayyy up.  I love Leon!  get well soon.

[LooseCannon]

This injury really hammers home that one of the key differences between Powe and Davis is that, while Powe is a better player on a per-minute basis, Big Baby can deliver more minutes.

If forced to pick one, the downside is that Powe is a much bigger risk to go down with a season-ending injury and he might not have it in his knees to be a temporary starter for a month.  So, if it's easy to get a Mikki Moore of the scrap heap, you might need to compare Glen Davis to a 75% probability of Leon Powe and a 25% probability of having to rely on a Mikki Moore-type player and not a straight up comparison.  The ratio might be 90-10 or 80-20 and technically, for BBD it's probably something like 99-1, but I think you get my point.

[libermaniac]

Can probably afford both now.  Baby for $3MM per, and Powe for < $1MM.

[Scalablob990]

"When has Powe never been Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. on, and or cheated in life" is the correct question at this point.