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Rajon Has "It" Figured Out
« on: May 16, 2008, 03:52:40 AM »

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I'm a Rondo fan, plain and simple. I have been from the first time I saw him play, and much more so when he became a Celtic. He's fast, talented, smart, athletic, confident, and possesses all the tangible qualities required of an NBA Point Guard. But there's a pronoun we sports enthusiasts assign to a quality in an athlete that lumps all those amazing intangible talents and abilities together into one highly revered word: "It". Though "It" means many different things to many different people, I think we all have the same general concept of the very special qualities that it represents.

I think we can also agree, (generally), that "It" is a rare thing, reserved for only the athletes of a very unique group, who are usually quite physically talented, have an above-average aptitude for their respective sport, and an amazing work-ethic, that continually spurs them on to be over-achievers. But "It" goes even beyond these qualities, and is that rare, undefinable element that puts them "over-the-top" ... that lifts them to an elite level reserved for only the very greatest of greats.

Do all the athletes with that rare "It" quality make it to the "Big Time"? Not at all ... I think many, for dozens of different reasons, never realize their potential, or never get recognized by the right people, or never succeed in falling into the very special series of events required to reach the highest levels of professional sports. Like one of my favorite quotes states: "There's nothing more common than a talented under-achiever". Simply put, most of the greatest talent in this world, is never discovered ... unfortunately.

In the realm of basketball, it seems a bit more obvious to recognize those with the "It" factor ... Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, KG, Magic Johnson, Kareem, Hakeem, etc., are just a few of those who have exceeded the "normal" level of expertise and talent in their sport, who have gone far beyond just being great ball-players, into that amazing level of "Superstar", where all the other incredible talents and abilities are added to that rarest of qualities, "It", that truly defines the best-of-the-best.

Now, this is not an immediate thing, obviously. "It' doesn't just happen overnight, and only after an athlete has reached the highest level of expertise. It's the one intangible quality that they're born with ... that motivates them throughout their lives, in seemingly small ways initially, and slowly becomes more and more visible, as the little successes in life translate over time into the larger ones. It develops and grows with all the rest, but is always there, quietly branching out it's tendrils, until it permeates every fiber of that person's being.

When I first saw Rondo play, I could tell he had that "It" quality. It's generally not very obvious in a player at that age, but it was there nonetheless ... that little extra something that set him apart from the rest. Oh, he was very young, with immature tendencies to his game, and the expected propensity for "silly" mistakes that comes with inexperience. But in spite of having those regular problems that young players do, it was still clear that he had that extra element so hard to define, but easy to label as "It". Some people call it "Basketball IQ" or instinct, but I think it goes far beyond that, and relies on all the senses: physical, mental, and intuitive.

Since his coming to the Celtics, he's grown by leaps and bounds ... not just with his abilities on the floor, but with all those requisites that define the "It" factor. This year, despite the often-touted criticism by many, and the awesome responsibility of being handed the position of starting point-guard to the one team in the NBA with the greatest expectations, he's continued to grow in all those areas, and continued to progressively gain the respect of fans, players, and coaches alike. Ever-so-slowly, as people and pundits consider just what it is that makes this kid so surprising, it becomes clearer and clearer that he has: "It".

This was never more evident than it was in Wednesday's game against Cleveland. After the obvious evidence from the previous game and the first half, that the "half-court" Sammy-run game was not working against LeBron et al, Doc finally relented to giving Rage the reins, and the go-ahead to just "play" his game. The Cavs were clearly going to keep Rondo honest, and challenge him to step-up and hit his shots from the outside. Though it was highly evident that neither West or Gibson could keep up with Rajon, and that his number one option was to drive to the paint and create inside, it was equally obvious he was going to have to hit jumpers, as the Cavs were being fairly successful of closing down the lane.

Enter the "It" factor again. As we've witnessed so many times before this season, (and despite that little butterfly in the stomach that tries to tell us he's in way over his head), Rondo stepped up and called the Cavs on their bluff, hitting two stand-alone three-pointers, shooting 9 of 15 for 20 points, and having 13 assists, 2 boards, 2 steals, and 2 blocks! Keep in consideration, this young guy is only in his second year at the NBA level, and his court-time last year was extremely limited. He's literally got the weight of the world on his shoulders, and three superstars looking to him to set tempo and distribute the ball ... yet he never flinches. He takes the wheel gladly, with a steadiness and quiet confidence that gives even more credence to the elusive "It" factor.

Whatever that "It" factor is, however it's defined with what words are suitable, it's obvious to me that Rage possesses it, and that "It" guides and motivates him to achieve far more than is expected of him, and way beyond what his abilities alone dictate. The sky is truly the limit for this kid if he stays healthy, and if he continues to develop at the pace he is now, he will surely be one of the premier point-guards in the NBA ... and more. I look forward with great anticipation to watching Rage grow over the next few seasons, and in him leading this Celtics team to new heights. Whatever we achieve as a team, Rondo will supply plenty of excitement himself, and continue to astonish us with his level of performance.

Here's to hoping Doc has finally seen the light with this rotation, and that Rondo will be the attacking point-guard and tempo-setter we need, especially against this powerful Cavs team. Here's to hoping he'll be allowed to play for extended minutes, and that we'll once again have the running, highly defensive team we had all season. Here's to hoping that he continues to drain his outside shot, and forces the Cavs to adjust, loosening up the paint for our Stars. Here's to hoping that he keeps the pedal down, and continues to successfully drive this "Green Machine" ... and that "It" Rages!!

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Re: Rajon Has "It" Figured Out
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 05:37:05 AM »

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Very well said.
First time I saw him play, same reaction. Thought we had the next Steve Nash. Maybe Rondo won't ever be an MVP, but I agree that he can be an all-star and have a fantastic career.
Apparently, he's one of those players who is always going to be underappreciated- it's amazing to me how many think he should sit in the 4th quarter because he "can't shoot", but practically worship Jason Kidd.
Of course, just because I love his style of play and he's exciting to watch doesn't necessarily mean much in terms of winning, but in Rondo's case, I agree that he's got "It".
Hope he's here for another ten or twelve years and three or four more banners.

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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 07:56:01 AM »

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Rondo has made tremendous progress, to be certain.

But quite frankly, until he quits "fiddling and diddling" with the basketball, as Johnny Most used to put it, pounding the dribble incessantly as the shot clock winds down instead of moving it, I'm not quite ready to say he's found "it."

Tonight will be an interesting step for him. If he comes out distributing and shooting good shots, then that's a significant step toward "it."

But we haven't seen that on the road much in the playoffs.

Getting better? Definitely. But he's got growing to do.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 08:11:32 AM »

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It's a very nice post, Bahku.  However, I'm not sure how exclusive your list of players with "it" is.  You wrote:

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In the realm of basketball, it seems a bit more obvious to recognize those with the "It" factor ... Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, KG, Magic Johnson, Kareem, Hakeem, etc., are just a few of those who have exceeded the "normal" level of expertise and talent in their sport, who have gone far beyond just being great ball-players, into that amazing level of "Superstar", where all the other incredible talents and abilities are added to that rarest of qualities, "It", that truly defines the best-of-the-best.
 

If "it" is only limited to legitimate superstars, then I'm fairly positive that Rajon is not there yet.  The kid is good, but he is a couple of stratospheres away from Larry or Magic, and I think he always will be.  What are some examples of players who have "it" that are a tier below the first ballot Hall of Famers?

I think what Rajon has is great instincts / "basketball IQ".  He also has tremendous physical gifts, and apparently a good work ethic.  All of those traits in combination make for a player who has legitimate all-star potential. 

I still think he's a couple of steps behind the elite young point guards, namely Chris Paul and Deron Williams.  However, looking at the other young guards in the league, there aren't many others who I can say are clearly better than Rajon.

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Re: Rajon Has "It" Figured Out
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 08:29:50 AM »

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It's a very nice post, Bahku.  However, I'm not sure how exclusive your list of players with "it" is.  You wrote:

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In the realm of basketball, it seems a bit more obvious to recognize those with the "It" factor ... Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, KG, Magic Johnson, Kareem, Hakeem, etc., are just a few of those who have exceeded the "normal" level of expertise and talent in their sport, who have gone far beyond just being great ball-players, into that amazing level of "Superstar", where all the other incredible talents and abilities are added to that rarest of qualities, "It", that truly defines the best-of-the-best.
 

If "it" is only limited to legitimate superstars, then I'm fairly positive that Rajon is not there yet.  The kid is good, but he is a couple of stratospheres away from Larry or Magic, and I think he always will be.  What are some examples of players who have "it" that are a tier below the first ballot Hall of Famers?

I think what Rajon has is great instincts / "basketball IQ".  He also has tremendous physical gifts, and apparently a good work ethic.  All of those traits in combination make for a player who has legitimate all-star potential. 

I still think he's a couple of steps behind the elite young point guards, namely Chris Paul and Deron Williams.  However, looking at the other young guards in the league, there aren't many others who I can say are clearly better than Rajon.

I think you misunderstood, as I did not say it's limited to legitimate superstars, or even suggest it. Nor would I be foolish enough to presume that Rondo was "there" yet, or that everyone with that "It" quality becomes one of the greats.

I was not putting Rondo on the same level with the examples I listed, not at all, or trying to iintimate that superstars are the only people with this quality, just merely stating that the "it" factor is the intangible element that makes the difference between a great player and a "Superstar", as I stated.

I am also not saying here that Rondo is a "Superstar" or anything approaching it as yet, and I felt I had clarified that, just that I feel he has that extra something that could eventually put him on that higher level, if all his other talents and abilities keep developing at the rate they are now, and he stays healthy.

Having the proper elements to make a superstar is a long way from that actually happening, and Rondo is far from becoming just that. However, I feel he possesses all those ingredients required, including those intangibles I refer to as "It" in this post, and that with a great deal of hard work and a bit of luck, he has as good a chance as anyone else I've seen in his age group.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 08:31:37 AM »

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I think Rajon is a special talent with his ability's at the point guard spot.However we need consistancy.That's what we have lacked on the road.Rondo had a big game for us now what is he going to do to follow up in game 6 tonight? Is he going to disappear like he has in previous road games? Or is he going to attack and make plays like he showed us what he is capable of doing with his "it" factor which he does have. That's the thing with Rondo is building that consistancy factor being ready night in and night out on the road or at home. He needs to attack and make things happen for us,push the tempo set up guys and play that tenacious defense that he is known for. Remeber D.West is not a pure PG and I feel that he has out-played Rondo in some of these games Rondo needs to pressure west into making PG plays because I dont think West feels natural at the pg position.

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When Ragin' Rajon does "it" consistently, I might tend more to agree, but he hasn't even been doing "it" on the road at all, never mind consistently.

As VT Hillbilly is fond of saying, most "BBIQ" is only quickness.  That is, if you're quick enough, you get to the ball quicker and look smart even if you're not.  Thus, it's easy to tell if a slow guy has a high BBIQ (Larry Joe), but harder to tell if a quick guy has it.  And Ragin' is quick.

I loooooove Rondo, but you gotta keep his performance in perspective.  If he could develop a pull-up jumper, a la Reggie Lewis, he'd be golden.  But who really knows what he'll ultimately become.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 08:50:00 AM »

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When Ragin' Rajon does "it" consistently, I might tend more to agree, but he hasn't even been doing "it" on the road at all, never mind consistently.

As VT Hillbilly is fond of saying, most "BBIQ" is only quickness.  That is, if you're quick enough, you get to the ball quicker and look smart even if you're not.  Thus, it's easy to tell if a slow guy has a high BBIQ (Larry Joe), but harder to tell if a quick guy has it.  And Ragin' is quick.

I loooooove Rondo, but you gotta keep his performance in perspective.  If he could develop a pull-up jumper, a la Reggie Lewis, he'd be golden.  But who really knows what he'll ultimately become.

I really like your points here ... TP for your thoughtful post. But again, a bit of misunderstanding, I think. "It" is nothing you can "do" or attain with a level of performance, it's an intangible quality that someone is born with, that extra something, hard to define, that is the difference between good players and great. It has to be developed like anything else, and not everyone who possesses it becomes great, but it nonetheless is the difference-maker, and the rarest of gifts.
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If "it" is only limited to legitimate superstars, then I'm fairly positive that Rajon is not there yet.  The kid is good, but he is a couple of stratospheres away from Larry or Magic, and I think he always will be.  What are some examples of players who have "it" that are a tier below the first ballot Hall of Famers?

I think you misunderstood, as I did not say it's limited to legitimate superstars, or even suggest it. Nor would I be foolish enough to presume that Rondo was "there" yet, or that everyone with that "It" quality becomes one of the greats.

I think you may have missed the part of my post that is bolded above.  I wasn't criticizing your argument, but was instead asking for clarification. 

I think we'd all admit that Larry had "it"; he's maybe the premier example of a guy who maximized his physical talent due to possessing tremendous mental gifts and other intangibles.  However, who are the players who aren't quite superstars that possess the "it" factor?  I think that would help people better judge Rajon's ability to measure up to that standard.  (One player I would submit for that group is Dennis Rodman.  In terms of defensive and rebounding instincts, there are few players better.)

Factors from my perspective that contribute to "it":

* Instincts / basketball IQ
* Court vision
* Confidence
* Leadership
* Killer instinct

I'm not sure where Rondo falls yet.  He's got a lot of talent, but I don't think we'll truly know how great he can be until he's given complete freedom.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 09:18:19 AM »

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If "it" is only limited to legitimate superstars, then I'm fairly positive that Rajon is not there yet.  The kid is good, but he is a couple of stratospheres away from Larry or Magic, and I think he always will be.  What are some examples of players who have "it" that are a tier below the first ballot Hall of Famers?

I think you misunderstood, as I did not say it's limited to legitimate superstars, or even suggest it. Nor would I be foolish enough to presume that Rondo was "there" yet, or that everyone with that "It" quality becomes one of the greats.

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I think you may have missed the part of my post that is bolded above.  I wasn't criticizing your argument, but was instead asking for clarification. 

I think we'd all admit that Larry had "it"; he's maybe the premier example of a guy who maximized his physical talent due to possessing tremendous mental gifts and other intangibles.  However, who are the players who aren't quite superstars that possess the "it" factor?  I think that would help people better judge Rajon's ability to measure up to that standard.  (One player I would submit for that group is Dennis Rodman.  In terms of defensive and rebounding instincts, there are few players better.)

Factors from my perspective that contribute to "it":

* Instincts / basketball IQ
* Court vision
* Confidence
* Leadership
* Killer instinct

I'm not sure where Rondo falls yet.  He's got a lot of talent, but I don't think we'll truly know how great he can be until he's given complete freedom.

I hear ya, Roy ... TP. That grey area is certainly much harder to define, but Rodman would certainly be one, who has that extra something, but whose neuroses seem determined to ever keep him from attaining true "Superstardom", so to speak. Others that immediately come to mind are Carmelo Anthony, Ron Artest, Dee Brown, Anferne Hardaway, Grant Hill, Vince Carter, and so on, (well, maybe not Dee ... that's a bit of green bias, I think  ;)). Those who, for many various reasons, just never seem to quite get "there", despite their many talents and possessing that "It" quality. I'm sure the list varies a bit for each of us, but I would wholeheartedly agree with the factors you list as those core elements involved.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 10:50:49 AM »

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When Ragin' Rajon does "it" consistently, I might tend more to agree, but he hasn't even been doing "it" on the road at all, never mind consistently.

As VT Hillbilly is fond of saying, most "BBIQ" is only quickness.  That is, if you're quick enough, you get to the ball quicker and look smart even if you're not.  Thus, it's easy to tell if a slow guy has a high BBIQ (Larry Joe), but harder to tell if a quick guy has it.  And Ragin' is quick.

I loooooove Rondo, but you gotta keep his performance in perspective.  If he could develop a pull-up jumper, a la Reggie Lewis, he'd be golden.  But who really knows what he'll ultimately become.

Actually, Rondo was quite good in game 4 in Ohio.  He was 7-14 from the field for 15 points and had 4 assists (should've had more dimes, but the team only shot 38%).  He missed a couple free throws, and he turned the ball over 3 times.  But you can't just make a blanket statement that he has been bad on the road.

Let's go a step further and look at his road #'s in Atlanta.
Game 3: 5-10 fg, 10 points, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 TO
Game 4: 6-16 fg, 14 points, 12 assists, 2 steals, 2 TOs
Game 5: 5-14 fg, 12 points, 7 assists, 1 steal, 0 TO

Ok so while those numbers are not great, they were still quite good for a player in his first playoff series.  And he also shut down Bibby at the same time.  Look at Rondo's playoff averages compared to regular season - more points, more assists, 40% 3ptfg, less TOs. 

Overall I'd say Rondo has exceeded most expectations coming into the season.  And in these playoffs, I would argue that he has been our second most consistent player behind KG.  He only really had one complete bomb of a game, #3 in Cleveland.  I don't know about all this "it" talk.  But I can't sit idly by while some posters make seemingly uninformed statements about his performance.

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I know it`s his old nickname, but "Ragin' Rajon"? Come on... 8)

I think Rondo benefits from a combination of Strengths that noone else in the league posess. We try to compare him to the likes of Tony Parker, Jason Kidd or even Mookie Blaylock, but neither of them is really the "best case" for Rondo. There are similarities, but he`s not really in the mold of any of these players.

And imo, that`s the best indicator for players with the "it". Add the fact that he played very well all season, and his remarkable progress, and I think it´s absolutely understandable to see him as a coming superstar.

Anyway, nice post, TP for you, Bahku.
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I think Rajon's game compares most favorably to a speedier Gary Payton.  GP was a bit taller, Rajon's considerably quicker.  But the defense, rebounding, shaky jumper, penetration - he reminds very much of Gary's early years in Seattle in the 90's.

Check out the Glove's numbers and tell me Rondo can't meet or exceed these stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=640
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I think Rajon's game compares most favorably to a speedier Gary Payton.  GP was a bit taller, Rajon's considerably quicker.  But the defense, rebounding, shaky jumper, penetration - he reminds very much of Gary's early years in Seattle in the 90's.
I agree with you here,he does remind one of GP when he was first entered,his game was a lot similar.Only GP seem to had a little more attitude,which made him a little more intimidating i think.But TP for the good comparison.  ;D

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I think Rajon's game compares most favorably to a speedier Gary Payton.  GP was a bit taller, Rajon's considerably quicker.  But the defense, rebounding, shaky jumper, penetration - he reminds very much of Gary's early years in Seattle in the 90's.


Rondo reminds me of Mo Cheeks primarily because of his defense. Also Mo's steady head offensively, a capable scorer but not prolific.

Mo led the Sixers to the Finals in his second year, lost to the rookie Magic Johnson though.