Tougher Opponent: Bibby or Delonte?

[EJPLAYA]

Well my vote goes to Bibby. He is far better player than Delonte is. Nontheless, because Hawks are history we need to focus on Delonte.

NF.

at there current stages, in what way is bibby better?

Defense: bibby is a sive delonte is no lock down defender but he's much better than bibby.

Outside shooting: bibby shoots 0.375, west shoots .370 this is a wash.

fg% Bibby .411, west .444 close to anther wash, with a slight edge to west.

T.O: bibby 2.48 west 1.73. Big edge to delonte.

Assists : this is the only catagory that bibby is better in. he gets 6 a game, delonte gets 4.1

bibby stats: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mike_bibby/index.html?nav=page

delonte: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/delonte_west/index.html?nav=page


so in what way is bibby far better?

in fact, west is a better shooter, which considering lebron will be driving and kicking to him, makes him a better player for his team. Throw in the fact that bibby plays atrocious defense, and i don't see how west isn't the better player....bibby was better once, before his knees were 100 years old.

West is a better shooter based on his shooting percentage that you dubbed a wash?! How is it that we give Sam all this benefit of the doubt because of his career numbers, but don't give Bibby the same credit. Bibby has hit a lot of clutch shots in his career and is a more proven shooter than West is. I think you described it best when you labeled their shooting a wash.

Bibby is a better playmaker than Delonte is and can dribble with both hands. I would give the edge to Bibby at this moment due to his being a more pure PG.

Rondo is better than both already though overall and has a lot more upside. West is as good as he'll ever be. That isn't bad though...

[crownsy]

Bibby.  This board is way too head-over-heals for West.  As someone already said, West is a decent back up combo guard.  While he can look better in the Cavs system since LeBron does a lot of ball handling, he is not a good ball handler. 

Rondo should be able to dominate him even more since offensively Rondo is much faster than West and defensively, West can't handle the ball nearly as well as Bibby. 

If the C's do what I want them to do in this series and really make an effort to shut down everyone else on the team and make LeBron do it all, Rondo could be a real key to this series.  He really could make West a real liability and force LeBron to not only shoulder the scoring burden, but also the playmaking burden. 

bibby is a much better defender than bibby, and averages 1.4 fewer TO's per game. doesn't sound like a guy who isn't very good with the rock to me.

[Edgar]

Bibby.  This board is way too head-over-heals for West.  As someone already said, West is a decent back up combo guard.  While he can look better in the Cavs system since LeBron does a lot of ball handling, he is not a good ball handler. 

Rondo should be able to dominate him even more since offensively Rondo is much faster than West and defensively, West can't handle the ball nearly as well as Bibby. 

If the C's do what I want them to do in this series and really make an effort to shut down everyone else on the team and make LeBron do it all, Rondo could be a real key to this series.  He really could make West a real liability and force LeBron to not only shoulder the scoring burden, but also the playmaking burden. 

bibby is a much better defender than bibby, and averages 1.4 fewer TO's per game. doesn't sound like a guy who isn't very good with the rock to me.

u mean Delonte than BB
or BB than delonte.  

[davemonsterband]

Bibby by a mile. Delonte's hit down open jump shots all season and now that Lebron's drawing playoff attention he's more open than ever. Bibby's still carried teams on his back in the past regardless of how he played against the team with the best record in the League.

They're both pretty average at everything else.

[dark_lord]

i would give the overall edge to delonte.  bibby is better offensively, but i think dwest is a better defender.  the deciding factor is that he played with rondo for an entire year and knows his mannerisms and habits.

[2short]

If we are discussing Mike Bibby of past years its not a contest .  But at  this point in their careers I'd give the vote to DWest, who as someone pointed out is a combo guard off the bench.  Bibby at this point is a backup to a good pg.  Of course the mvp of the 1st round (imo) will outplay west but maybe not to the dominating effect he did w/ bibby.

[crownsy]

hehe yea, delonte > than bibby at defense.

[jay_jay54]

If we are discussing Mike Bibby of past years its not a contest .  But at  this point in their careers I'd give the vote to DWest, who as someone pointed out is a combo guard off the bench.  Bibby at this point is a backup to a good pg.  Of course the mvp of the 1st round (imo) will outplay west but maybe not to the dominating effect he did w/ bibby.

I agree with you here,depends on what point of Bibby's career.If the OP meant at the present,i think it would be very close,but the edge going to D.West...also,i think it depends on what you consider what makes you a better player than the other also.Some of us are looking from a offensive contribution standpoint more,and some of us are looking at who plays better D.If you are looking at the overall better player,its close.

[Who]

If we are discussing Mike Bibby of past years its not a contest .  But at  this point in their careers I'd give the vote to DWest, who as someone pointed out is a combo guard off the bench.  Bibby at this point is a backup to a good pg.  Of course the mvp of the 1st round (imo) will outplay west but maybe not to the dominating effect he did w/ bibby.

I agree with you here,depends on what point of Bibby's career.If the OP meant at the present,i think it would be very close,but the edge going to D.West...also,i think it depends on what you consider what makes you a better player than the other also.Some of us are looking from a offensive contribution standpoint more,and some of us are looking at who plays better D.If you are looking at the overall better player,its close.

I was the OP, the present tense please.

Delonte's short career is no match to Bibby's who has had a strong career where for several years he was a borderline all-star and has had lots of clutch playoff moments.

What I was asking for was, what they're capable of now specific to their teams against the Celtics.

I voted Delonte, I think Delonte will cause the Celtics more problems in this coming series than Bibby in did in the first round. Better shooter, better penetrator, better scorer, better defender, better use of the basketball, lower turnovers, better decision maker.

[guava_wrench]

I voted West. While I don't agree that West will make better decisions, he won't have to make many decision. Lebron will take care of that.

We can only rate players in the context of their current team, and West will be tougher to handle playing with Lebron.

[Roy Hobbs]

Well my vote goes to Bibby. He is far better player than Delonte is. Nontheless, because Hawks are history we need to focus on Delonte.

NF.

at there current stages, in what way is bibby better?

Defense: bibby is a sive delonte is no lock down defender but he's much better than bibby.

Outside shooting: bibby shoots 0.375, west shoots .370 this is a wash.

fg% Bibby .411, west .444 close to anther wash, with a slight edge to west.

T.O: bibby 2.48 west 1.73. Big edge to delonte.

Assists : this is the only catagory that bibby is better in. he gets 6 a game, delonte gets 4.1

bibby stats: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mike_bibby/index.html?nav=page

delonte: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/delonte_west/index.html?nav=page


so in what way is bibby far better?

in fact, west is a better shooter, which considering lebron will be driving and kicking to him, makes him a better player for his team. Throw in the fact that bibby plays atrocious defense, and i don't see how west isn't the better player....bibby was better once, before his knees were 100 years old.

You didn't compare their yearly stats; you used Bibby's yearly stats, but used only Delonte's stats in Cleveland.

Statistically, on a per minute basis, Bibby scored more points, had more assists, had a better eFG%, shot almost an identical FG%, and had the same number of turnovers.  Delonte had more rebounds, blocks, and slightly more steals.

Here's an easy-to-read comparison between the two:  Link.

Anyway, I think Bibby is a harder individual matchup, but because Lebron disrupts a defense so much, the Celts might have to worry about Delonte more.  To the extent that Delonte is matched up one-on-one with Rondo, though, I'm not too worried about that matchup for the Celts.

[crownsy]

Well my vote goes to Bibby. He is far better player than Delonte is. Nontheless, because Hawks are history we need to focus on Delonte.

NF.

at there current stages, in what way is bibby better?

Defense: bibby is a sive delonte is no lock down defender but he's much better than bibby.

Outside shooting: bibby shoots 0.375, west shoots .370 this is a wash.

fg% Bibby .411, west .444 close to anther wash, with a slight edge to west.

T.O: bibby 2.48 west 1.73. Big edge to delonte.

Assists : this is the only catagory that bibby is better in. he gets 6 a game, delonte gets 4.1

bibby stats: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/mike_bibby/index.html?nav=page

delonte: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/delonte_west/index.html?nav=page


so in what way is bibby far better?

in fact, west is a better shooter, which considering lebron will be driving and kicking to him, makes him a better player for his team. Throw in the fact that bibby plays atrocious defense, and i don't see how west isn't the better player....bibby was better once, before his knees were 100 years old.

West is a better shooter based on his shooting percentage that you dubbed a wash?! How is it that we give Sam all this benefit of the doubt because of his career numbers, but don't give Bibby the same credit. Bibby has hit a lot of clutch shots in his career and is a more proven shooter than West is. I think you described it best when you labeled their shooting a wash.

Bibby is a better playmaker than Delonte is and can dribble with both hands. I would give the edge to Bibby at this moment due to his being a more pure PG.

Rondo is better than both already though overall and has a lot more upside. West is as good as he'll ever be. That isn't bad though...

i said wash because its .3 of a percent...and who mentioned sam in this thread? I think delonte is a better spot up shooter than bibby, which will hurt us more than bibby with lebron.

[MMacOH]

I assume the question was posed as who will be tougher for the Celtics this year......I think both players have completely different roles even though they are both PGs.

Delonte's job with the Cavs is to get them into their half court offense (which he does very well, not a lot of TOs), hit open jumpers that Lebron creates for him and to play good perimeter defense.  I am worried about how well he can cover Rondo, because Rondo is just so freakin quick.

Delonte does his job for the Cavs and I definitely think he will add a level of frustration to the Celtics defense, both on the road and at home

[Vermont Green]

Think of it this way, if somewhere along the line, CLE was able to trade DW for Bibby straight up, do you think they would (cap issues aside)?  I think they would in a heart beat and that they would be a much better team for it.  Look how much Atlanta improved in the end.  I think you can credit Bibby. How well would they have done if they had DW?  It took a while but Bibby was a very important player in getting the Hawks to "click".  CLE still doesn't have a real PG and they are not really clicking.  If they had Bibby (who is only 29?) I think they would be playing much better.

[green tea]

Think of it this way, if somewhere along the line, CLE was able to trade DW for Bibby straight up, do you think they would (cap issues aside)?  I think they would in a heart beat and that they would be a much better team for it.  Look how much Atlanta improved in the end.  I think you can credit Bibby. How well would they have done if they had DW?  It took a while but Bibby was a very important player in getting the Hawks to "click".  CLE still doesn't have a real PG and they are not really clicking.  If they had Bibby (who is only 29?) I think they would be playing much better.

Disagree with you here.  Atlanta and Cleveland are two very different teams.  Atlanta needed someone who could facilitate their offense with their young, athletic stable of studs. 

Cleveland's offense revolves around Lebron.  They don't need a playmaking PG to facilitate.  They need a PG who can help them get into their half court set (which West has done quite well), and then they just need to get the ball into Lebron's hands.  Plus, Cleveland is a more defensive oriented team...and Bibby just doesn't fit into that role.   

Bibby, whom you've stated is "only" 29.  But you can tell just by his play, that he has lost a step.  He's just not the player he was when he was in his prime in Sac (and he was fantastic when Sac was a good team), and gets dominated by younger, quicker guards. 

Bibby fits Atlanta, and Delonte fits Cleveland.  I don't think either team would be significantly better (or worse) if the two players suddenly swapped teams.