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How Can the Sixers afford JB?
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Online lbgreen33

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Please help me understand, people have been saying we can't have 2 Max contracts with Brown and Tatum. Can't afford to put players around them. But, The Sixers have Embiid, max contract guarantees him $299.5 million. Maxey locked into a five-year, $204 million rookie-scale maximum. V. J. Edgecombe will get a Max deal, Brown has a Max.  I just don't understand?? Can someone who really know the ins and outs of this explain why the Celtics can't afford to build around the J's but the Sixers can with their stars and JB??
To me, won't the same thing be happening with the Spurs?? Wemby-Max, Castle-will get Max, Fox-just signed Max, Dylan Harper will want a Max!!!
How can They keep that team together? This is where I struggle to understand the new CBA?
Please someone help me out with this so it makes sense, Thank you in advance!

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They aren't going to extend him and will trade him in 2 years. Probably trade Embiid as well and go with Macey and Edgecomb. 
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Please help me understand, people have been saying we can't have 2 Max contracts with Brown and Tatum. Can't afford to put players around them. But, The Sixers have Embiid, max contract guarantees him $299.5 million. Maxey locked into a five-year, $204 million rookie-scale maximum. V. J. Edgecombe will get a Max deal, Brown has a Max.  I just don't understand?? Can someone who really know the ins and outs of this explain why the Celtics can't afford to build around the J's but the Sixers can with their stars and JB??

They have different owner?

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It will be tough for PHI.  They will be over the cap for the next 3 seasons with just Embiid, Brown, Maxey, and Edgecomb.  They signed Wade using part of the full MLE so they are hard capped at the first apron for this season.  Beyond those 5 players, they still need to get to 14.  The other 9 will need to be all min contracts or players on low cost rookie deals.  I don't see this going well for them.

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They?re going to have a really poor bench, for starters. But, yeah, they?re in for the same issues with him as us. The biggest difference is that they also have an albatross contract in Embiid, so the thought is that they might as well max out their window right now with him and deal with the rest later.
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The whole "you can't have 2 supermax contracts" is nonsense.

JB and JT would have been around $140mil a year on a $230mil first apron cap.

There was no reason to tear this down.

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This is part of a post from another thread

Their salary situation is also going to be...intersting.  You have Embiid on $58M, Maxxey on $40M and Brown on $57M - and all of them have 3 years left.  Philly are about $15M over the tax line so they will have pretty much zero ability to add supporting talent...so they will likely be a very top heavy roster relying very heavily on thee guys...one of whom has been so unhealthy that he's practically a meme.

We can make light of Philly's financial situation because Embiid is injury prone and unreliable. However, can you imagine if Embiid wasn't injury prone. If he was healthy. If you could rely on him to perform at a high level in the playoffs. My question then is - are their 3 contracts still a problem?

No. They are not.

They would be dancing in the streets to have those 3 guys on one team even though they are eating all their cap room and they have no room to pay for bench players.

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Please help me understand, people have been saying we can't have 2 Max contracts with Brown and Tatum. Can't afford to put players around them. But, The Sixers have Embiid, max contract guarantees him $299.5 million. Maxey locked into a five-year, $204 million rookie-scale maximum. V. J. Edgecombe will get a Max deal, Brown has a Max.  I just don't understand?? Can someone who really know the ins and outs of this explain why the Celtics can't afford to build around the J's but the Sixers can with their stars and JB??
To me, won't the same thing be happening with the Spurs?? Wemby-Max, Castle-will get Max, Fox-just signed Max, Dylan Harper will want a Max!!!
How can They keep that team together? This is where I struggle to understand the new CBA?
Please someone help me out with this so it makes sense, Thank you in advance!

I'll try to explain it so it doesn't get too confusing. Basically you have a salary cap, which this year is $165m. Once you exceed it you can't sign any new free agents, except extending or re-signing your own. That's the first constraint.

Most teams exceed this unless they are tanking, because the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement sets the maximum amount a player can earn based on how long they have been in the league, as well as whether they are an All-Star or All-NBA for certain years. In general the bands are: 0-6 years - up to 25% of the cap, 7-9 years up to 30%, and 10+ years 35% (there are exceptions based on performance that allow some to earn higher than their years of service or have extra years but that's the general gist of it). A 30% of the cap contract is a "max" and a 35% a supermax. Jaylen and Jayson are on supermaxes, around $55m each (it goes up each year as the salary cap goes up) so they both take up 70% of the cap. That's more than half the cap on 2 players.

Then the next threshold is the luxury tax, which this year is $200m. If you exceed the tax line, you pay tax on the amount over, in a proportional system similar to income tax, and the proceeds are distributed to teams below the tax. Every year you stay above the tax, the marginal tax rate goes up exponentially, from 300% to 350% to 400% to 575% and higher. So that's the second constraint. Teams that want to contend, like we did, go over this tax line because they have no choice but to pay their players, like we did with KP, Jrue, White, Al and then all the other players we had. If we hadn't got rid of them we would have been facing a $250m+ tax bill last year and even higher this year.

The third threshold is the first apron, which this year is at $209m. The first apron introduces roster building penalties, such as having to match salaries within 110% (teams below can match at $125%), not being able to acquire players in sign and trade if they cause the team to go over the first apron, and not being able to sign waived players above the cost of the non-taxpayer MLE. To keep it simple, they start to make it harder for you to do trades, rather than just penalizing you financially.

The fourth, and most punitive threshold, is the second apron, which this year is at $221m. Exceeding this, like we did in 2024-25, introduces the most restrictive penalties, such as not being able to aggregate salaries in a trade, can't use cash in trades, can't use trade exceptions from previous years, can't access the MLE to sign free agents, draft picks 7 years out are frozen, and moving your draft pick to the very end if you stay above the 2nd apron for too long.

So how can Philly afford Jaylen? Because a) Jaylen technically cost the same per season as PG13 ($57m), and Philly's owner (Josh Harris) has been religious about keeping the team below the luxury tax. That's why they traded away Jared McCain last season. Also they have a very top heavy team, with Embiid at $57m, PG13 (now Jaylen) at $57m, and Maxey at $40m (he is on a max because he has less than 10+ years of experience). So their Big 3 is costing them $154m. Since they are trying to stay below the luxury tax, that leaves them $43m to spend on the other 12 players on their roster. Which is why after Edgecombe who is on his rookie deal ($11m) the rest of the team is on vet mins. You can see their roster here:

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So if Philly want to build around Embiid and JB and Maxey, they will have to exceed the luxury tax and probably the first apron, and maybe the 2nd apron to sign the supporting cast they need, like we did back in 2023-24. But since it's so punitive to stay up there, teams can only really exceed it during their championship window - the days of living up there and just paying tax like the Warriors did during their dynasty days are over. So when time comes to extend JB, Philly is going to have to ask the same questions that Brad probably asked himself - is JB worth it? Is he worth taking up 35% of the cap? Maybe by then Embiid will have retired so his 35% can be replaced by JB's. In any case if you get it wrong, it's very difficult to undo - think about what the Suns had to do when they shipped out KD and had to eat Beal's contract with a buyout. So these days teams tend to err on the side of ending their window early than late, because trying to get rid of players who have declined in value is very difficult. (Except for the Sixers with PG13 since we bailed them out  :police:)

So relating it back to us, when Tatum got injured, Brad and the front office and ownership probably made a determination that they weren't winning the championship this season, so there was no point paying $250m in tax in addition to $250m in payroll for a non-contending team. So he traded away KP (for peanuts in return) and Jrue and let Al and Luke walk. That's why we have these large trade exceptions, because we've been shipping out salary without taking any back.

But there's nothing that says you can't have two, or even three, max contracts...but if you do, you better make sure they bring you to a championship, and you better have some overperforming rookies and vet mins making up the rest of the roster. It's a high risk bet because the cost of undoing it is very costly, in terms of having to give up draft picks to take on salary of declining players.

Hope that makes sense.
Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D


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TP Ozgod. Great detailed and informative breakdown.
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