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Every NBA Team and Jaylen Brown
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A few assumptions:
1) The Celtics will want to stay competitive, that means getting a player who could at least conceivably be an all-star next year as the main return in a trade.
2) Teams who are trading for Brown want to win, an they can?t do that if they gut their team and have nothing left but brown after a trade. A Brown trade ha to make sense FOR BOTH SIDES.
With that in mind, a look at every team?s interest in Brown:

ATL- What?s the piece they are sending back? Jalen Johnson is the guy they?d want to pair Brown WITH, its not going to be him.  Their offer would be more of a poo-poo platter of picks/young guys, none of which do much for me if I?m Boston.

BRK- MPJ would be the main piece coming back, but trading an All-NBA guy for an expiring sub-all star with an injury history doesn?t seem like a great idea.

CHA- Made more sense before the LaMelo trade. Brandon Miller might make sense as the primary piece coming back whom the Celtics could dream on being an all-star, but I just don?t think Charlotte is going this direction. Creates a situation where their two best players (Brown/Kon) are ten years apart in age. That doesn?t make a lot of sense to me for them. 

CHI- No primary piece coming back that?s good enough to intrigue the Celtics.

CLE- Mobley could be the main piece, he?s that all-star borderline all-NBA return you?d want in a Brown trade. But with Mitchell/Harden already as ball handlers and being in the 2nd apron it?s hard to see them doing that deal. Brown-Mitchell meanwhile doesn?t change a lot for either team, just makes Cleveland MORE expensive.

DAL- No primary piece coming back that?s good enough to intrigue the Celtics.

DEN- They have cheap ownership, it?s hard to see them trading for a guy on a 35% max with how frugal they?ve been lately. Trading Brown for Murray just makes them MORE expensive, so I can?t see that happening.

DET- So this one makes some sense if Duren is the guy coming back. A S&T with him and Brown could make some sense. But seeing as how they just decide to trade their very good backup center away for almost nothing I have a hard time seeing them completely emptying their front court to get 7 years older and dramatically more expensive. No other primary piece that?s really interesting there, picks aren?t worth much either.

GSW- No primary piece to put in the trade.

HOU- Durant is a thought, but trading a 30 year old for a 38 year old doesn?t feel like a great idea to me.  A trade here depends entirely on what you think of Sengun because that would be the main piece. I?m not particularly fond of his game as I don?t put a lot of value in mediocre defensive centers, especially ones that aren?t all that efficient, but maybe Brad Stevens feels differently.   

IND- This is another team that fees unlikely mostly because the ownership is just not going to greenlight enough spending to fit Jaylen into their salary structure.

LAL- No primary piece to put in the trade. Boston isn?t doing a Kawhi for Brown trade with Kawhi in the last year of his deal and rumors he?d only re-sign for TOR or SAS. Not to mention the Aspiration scandal still hanging over him. Garland has no value right now with his injury issues.

MEM- They just started a rebuild, not in the ?acquire star player? phase. And no, Morant will not be the main piece, he?s a negative value asset let alone the main value in a Brown trade.

MIA- If Bam was the main piece coming back then maybe, given how much Mia loves Bam that?s a 0% chance.

MIL- No, for obvious reasons.

MIN- No, just acquired LaMelo.

NOP- This is the most often rumored one an the one that makes SOME sense. Trey Murphy would be the primary return. The issue here is Trey Murphy as good as he has been is still a sub all-star type of player and how much more does NOP want to give up? Keep in mind the idea for them would be to compete, and if that?s the case they aren?t going to want to include other important guys in the offer. You aren?t getting three of Trey/Murray/Zion/Herb. It guts their team and defeats the purpose of acquiring Brown in the first place. Puts aside the fact the Murray is coming off a major injury and Herb wasn?t actually good last year so why would you want them anyway.  It?s probably Trey Murphy, salary filler, and picks. Is that good enough? Depends on what you think of Trey Murphy.

NYK- No, for money reasons and vibes.

OKC- No, for money reasons they literally can?t.

ORL- If the primary return would have to be something like Franz (or Paolo) and WCJ to make the money work. That?s at least theoretically something both teams might consider, but I imagine ORL doesn?t think Brown is worth 16+ million more than Franz or even if they do its not worth getting 5 years older and giving up their starting center to do so.

PHI- No, George/Embiid would have to be in the return for money reasons and the Celtics aren?t touching those contracts with a 10 foot pole.

PHO- No primary piece to put in the trade.

POR- Okay, here?s another one that?s often rumored. I?d assume Deni is not an option because that?s the guy you want to pair Brown with. That means it would have to be a young guy/picks type return. So if Boston is looking to remain competitive that doesn?t make a lot of sense. This team made more sense as part of a three-team deal with Mil, seeing as how that didn?t happen I can?t see Jaylen getting traded there now. Boston would have to believe A LOT MORE than league consensus in Sharpe/Clingan for this to make sense because that and picks woul be the main return. A POR trade really only makes sense if Boston is okay taking a step back next year.

SAC- Sabonis would have to be the main piece coming back, and he?s just not good. I?m sorry, I do not understand people?s fascination with him and I trust Brad to feel the same. Hard no.

SAS- It would likely have to include Fox coming back to Boston for money reasons. And Fox is a good player, but I just can?t see Boston being interested in that contract/position combination. The league is PG saturated right now, paying the max to one is simply not a good value. This is a team that just made the finals so I have a hard time seeing them blowing up the foundation of their team for Brown. I? imagine Castle and Harper are off the table given what they showed this post season run, I don?t think you trade either for a 30-year-old vet making 57 million. Future is too bright here for a big swing IMO.

TOR- Not much of interest there accept Barnes and they aren?t trading Barnes, again he?s the guy you pair Brown with to have a chance. 

UTA- For Lauri it might make some sense. Lauri is only a year or so younger than Brown, and maybe UTA thinks Brown is a better fit next to JJJ/Kessler. Problem is Lauri has played worryingly few games over the last few years and been somewhat inconsistent. He?s a big risk to take as the primary return in a Brown trade, but he?s talented enough that if its him an other stuff maybe you consider as Boston. Still it feels like this team is going to see what they have with their super-sized front court and Peterson before making another big swing. Depends a lot on what you think of Lauri.

WAS- Anthony Davis?s trade value last trade deadline was fake first rounder(s) and salary relief, he?s not going to be the main return in a Jaylen Brown trade. Too much injury risk. No other real path to a deal here.

Conclusion: Trey Murphy from NOP, Alperen Sengun from HOU or Lauri Markkanen from UTA seem like the three most likely targets that would make some sense as the main return for Boston. Franz from ORL or Duren from DET are also outside possibilities, although I think those teams are less likely to be interested given the large age difference between those players and Brown.

The main point here is it is hard to find a deal that makes sense. Star for Star (or Star for Really Good) player trades are always difficult especially if both teams have aspirations to compete. The deal becomes more workable if draft picks are the primary thing coming back, but would Boston be willing to take a year or two off from competing in the heart of Tatum's prime on the hope that in a year or two they can chase a star with those draft picks? Hard to say.
 
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« Reply #1 on: Today at 11:06:57 AM »

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I did a similar post a few days ago. Before the draft.

This is what I came up with:

I keep hearing that there is a deep market for Brown....but i am not really sure there is. And Brad is going to be very selective IF he goes that way. Could be in for a long summer into fall.

ATL = platter of quality starters, lotto pick
BKN = MPJ & picks
CHA = maybe Brandon Miller
CHI = Josh Giddey & picks

CLE = E Mobley or D Mitchell
DAL = Kyrie
DEN = J Murray
DET = Ausar Thompson, role players, picks
GSW = Jimmy Butler

HOU = Sengun
IND = Siakam
LAC = (1) Kawhi or (2) Garland & #5 pick
LAL = nothing
MEM = #3 pick?

MIL = nothing
MIA = nothing
MIN = McDaniels & Naz Reid
OKC = nothing
ORL = Banchero or Franz

PHI = Maxey
PHO = Jalen Green & picks
POR = S Sharpe, Scoot, Jerami Grant, picks
SAC = Sabonis
SAS = D Fox

TOR = B Ingram or RJ Barrett
UTA = Markkanen or JJJ
WAS = (1) A Davis (2) Kyshawn George, youth, cap filler

NYK = nothing
NOP = (1) Zion (2) Trey Murphy & stuff

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There are offers out there but they are all downgrades.

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Long post, could not read it all.  You left out the Clippers tho, who have a superstar at Jaylen?s position that might be on the trade market.

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CLE- Mobley could be the main piece, he?s that all-star borderline all-NBA return you?d want in a Brown trade.

I am not even sure Mobley is an All-Star. Nevermind an All-NBA player. I think he is over-rated.

I find it hard to imagine a team winning a Championship with Mobley as one of their top 2 players. The 3rd best player on a title winning team? Sure. Top 2? I don't see it.

If you can't be a top 2 player on a title winning team, are you really an All-NBA guy? Or you really an All-Star? Or are you just over-rated?

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I think maybe one thing that is being forgotten is how the CBA has changed team construction.

During the Pierce-Garnett championship years, and the Heat championships after that, the thinking was that you had to get 2-3 stars on your team to be a contender. The rest of your team could be filled out with whatever if you had top-end talent.

But look at the four teams that were in the championship these last two years. The Pacers, Thunder, Knicks, and Spurs were all teams that primarily were built on depth. They had 1 star, and then they had a high-end supporting cast. Even the Celtics championship a couple years ago could be primarily credited to having the best 3-8 in the league.

The new CBA is dictating that depth is more important than it used to be. That why some of us think that the team might be better if they traded Brown for what some are considering a "pooh-pooh platter."

I'll use the first team on your list as an example. The Hawks have more than just Johnson. NAW is a really good two-way guard that continues to improve every year. Okongwu is a solid stretch-5 role player. If the Hawks offered those two guys as the primary pieces, with draft picks and Risachar, and then the Celtics used Risachar and the picks to acquire another solid starter/rotation piece, the Celtics might be better positioned to contend next year. They would legitimately be able to go 8 deep without even talking about the MLE player, Hugo, Walsh, Baylor, Harper, Garza, Cenac, etc.

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ORL- If the primary return would have to be something like Franz (or Paolo) and WCJ to make the money work. That?s at least theoretically something both teams might consider, but I imagine ORL doesn?t think Brown is worth 16+ million more than Franz or even if they do its not worth getting 5 years older and giving up their starting center to do so.

Maybe Jonathon Isaac as the cap filler instead of WCJ. Maybe Goga Bitadze as a 3rd piece to be our new backup center behind Queta.

Franz Wagner + J Isaac + Bitadze for Jaylen.

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I would be happy with Zion Williamson and Trey Murphy. Murphy provides great shooting and defense without a ton of usage, and Zion finally looked healthy and in shape last year.

Queta
Zion
Tatum
Murphy
White

I would look to move Hauser for a big to split minutes with Queta. Hugo and Baylor hopefully continue to develop and be good back up wings. Pritchard still 6th man.
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ORL- If the primary return would have to be something like Franz (or Paolo) and WCJ to make the money work. That?s at least theoretically something both teams might consider, but I imagine ORL doesn?t think Brown is worth 16+ million more than Franz or even if they do its not worth getting 5 years older and giving up their starting center to do so.

Maybe Jonathon Isaac as the cap filler instead of WCJ. Maybe Goga Bitadze as a 3rd piece to be our new backup center behind Queta.

Franz Wagner + J Isaac + Bitadze for Jaylen.

So Orlando would become:

G: Suggs, Jase Richardson
G: D Bane, A Black
F: Jaylen
F: Banchero, T da Silva
C: WCJ, Mo Wagner

And Boston would be:

G: D White, Pritchard
G: Baylor, J Walsh
F: Franz Wagner, Hauser
F: Tatum, Hugo
C: Queta, Bitadze

There is a drop-off from Jaylen to Franz but it would maintain enough quality to keep Boston in title contention while getting a star who is 5 years younger and cheaper.

Orlando still look some way off from title contention to me. Not enough playmaking. Not enough shooting. They don't need star level changes but role player type changes. Doable. They could become a title contender. They could also become a title contender doing the same thing with Franz & Paolo while staying younger and keeping a longer window of contention.

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I would be happy with Zion Williamson and Trey Murphy. Murphy provides great shooting and defense without a ton of usage, and Zion finally looked healthy and in shape last year.

Queta
Zion
Tatum
Murphy
White

I would look to move Hauser for a big to split minutes with Queta. Hugo and Baylor hopefully continue to develop and be good back up wings. Pritchard still 6th man.

Agreed. I would like to bring KP back if they make that trade.

Starters: White, Murphy, Tatum, Zion, KP(MLE)
Bench: Pritchard, Scheierman, Hauser, Harper Jr, Hugo, Walsh, Queta, Garza.

That is a contending team with depth. Just need to do some load management with KP and Zion. I don?t think the Celtics can do better than that from a talent standpoint after missing out on Giannis.
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I think the taking a step back thing is a bit of an assumption when getting mainly picks back instead of a star.

Look what the C's just did in the regular season without Tatum. (and without a top center)   Tatum's usage will go up and a new dynamic makes staying a top team doable.  Of course, in the playoffs, you'd like to have two stars, but don't count out depth, defense and 3 point shooting from a specialist, plus Tatum orchestrating more.

I think the return (for Brown or Tatum), would have to be awful to call it truly stepping back...

The success of the team this year with one star adds to my feeling that the duo should be broken up for a more balanced roster with a better bigs picture and some specialists.

tp to the op for consolidation....     how about Brown for Butler and the center they just picked and Podsiemski..... and couple picks   (I wouldn't worry about creating a monster...Curry is old, but they'd be fun this year)...
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PHI- No, George/Embiid would have to be in the return for money reasons and the Celtics aren't touching those contracts with a 10 foot pole.

Edgecombe & PG13 is interesting. Maybe a 1st as well.

PG13 only has 2 years left on his deal. He can be a trade asset as an expiring contract in 12 months time.

G: D White
G: Edgecombe
F: Paul George
F: Tatum
C: Queta

Nice balance to that starting 5. Pritchard 6th man. Strong overall three man backcourt. The young wings & Hauser. Acquire a backup big man in FA or in a trade.

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SAS- It would likely have to include Fox coming back to Boston for money reasons. And Fox is a good player, but I just can?t see Boston being interested in that contract/position combination. The league is PG saturated right now, paying the max to one is simply not a good value. This is a team that just made the finals so I have a hard time seeing them blowing up the foundation of their team for Brown. I? imagine Castle and Harper are off the table given what they showed this post season run, I don?t think you trade either for a 30-year-old vet making 57 million. Future is too bright here for a big swing IMO.

I wonder if San Antonio included Julian Champagnie as well. So Champagnie and D Fox. It would probably need 1sts as well. San Antonio has some juicy 1sts owed to them. So maybe one of those high value 1sts or two lower value 1sts.

The reason for Champagnie is to have a replacement starter at SF for Jaylen. A good two way role player.

G: D Fox
G: D White
F: Champagnie
F: Tatum
C: Queta

Again, Pritchard 6th man. The young wings & Hauser. Need to find a backup center somewhere.

That is definitely a step in the wrong direction. It would depend on how valuable those pick(s) are whether it would be justifiable or not. 

An inferior team to our current team. It looks like a strong regular season team but a dodgy playoff team. I don't trust Fox that much as a playoff performer due to his dodgy shooting. He will fine in the regular season against lesser defenses.

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WAS- Anthony Davis?s trade value last trade deadline was fake first rounder(s) and salary relief, he?s not going to be the main return in a Jaylen Brown trade. Too much injury risk. No other real path to a deal here.

I really like Kyshawn George. I think he has All-Star talent. I wonder if Kyshawn George + Anthony Davis would be enough.

G: Pritchard, (FA)
G: D White
F: Kyshawn George
F: Tatum
C: Anthony Davis, Queta

Try to sign one of those combo guard scorers like Anfernee Simons as our 6th man. Then we have our young wings & Hauser. Strong depth.

Washington would have:

G: Trae Young, Bub Carrington
G: B Coulibaly
F: Jaylen
F: AJ Dybantsa
C: Alex Sarr

They'd need some depth beyond that. No quality backup big. Some serviceable backup big forwards in Justin Champagnie & Will Riley. Cam Whitmore should be back. Then older veteran guards D'Angelo Russell & Jaden Hardy.

That two guard spot is dodgy. I was going to write in "nobody good enough" initially until I remembered Bilal Coulibaly. Even then ... I don't like Coulibaly as a SG. He is a low skilled SF. I like him as a reserve SF. WAS should bring in someone else to start at SG. Maybe Quentin Grimes. Tre Johnson ain't ready to start either. He has talent but also an awful lot to learn before he is ready to contribute consistently to a team.

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SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin