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How off-base is the part of the fandom that blamed coach Joe Mazzulla for the Celtics ?failure?? Let?s put it this way: if one or two more shots in Game 7 had gone down in a critical stretch, they would have been still playing (although the Knicks have been playing like mad, so I?m not sure they would have done any better). But seeing folks calling for coaching staff changes and even a head coach change makes me think that folks have an unrealistic view of what we could get if we were crazy enough to get rid of Joe. ? David Y.

The Celtics should not consider firing Joe Mazzulla for a second. He turned a ?gap year? into a 56-win season ? and that was the worst regular-season record of his head-coaching career. While his previous rosters were ready-made, this one required more teaching. The team overachieved this season partly because Mazzulla turned an inexperienced supporting cast into a strength. He deserves plenty of credit for the development of Boston?s young players. He created a system and mindset that carried the Celtics far beyond expectations. He was a worthy Coach of the Year award winner.

That said, Mazzulla needs to alter his approach in the playoffs. He needs to be quicker to make major adjustments within a series. After he inserted Robert Williams III into the starting lineup in Game 6 of a second-round series in 2023, the Celtics sounded surprised it took Mazzulla so long to make that call. Kristaps Porziņģis hurt the Celtics during the 2025 playoffs, but Mazzulla kept the big man in the rotation instead of turning to the highly capable Luke Kornet. Nikola Vučević gave Boston very little late in the regular season, but Mazzulla still stuck with him through six games of the first round. It wasn?t until Game 7 that Mazzulla made his first big rotation adjustments of the series. He might have gone overboard when he did, giving three players their first playoff starts ever.

The best playoff coaches are quick and decisive when they spot a necessary change. Mazzulla needs to prove he can recognize and follow through on the tweaks that turn a series. The Celtics have now lost stunning series upsets in three of his four seasons. Of course, under his guidance, they also crushed everyone on their way to the 2024 championship.

The playoffs exposed parts of the Celtics roster. The team still should have found a way to win one of the final three games against the 76ers, especially considering two of those games were in Boston.

Who?s your dream starting center, and what would it take to trade for them? ? Jeff M.

Giannis Antetokounmpo talk aside, what are the realistic options for building out a more playoff-ready big man rotation? Does Neemias Queta stay the starter in all scenarios? ? Nick G.

The Celtics? frontcourt surpassed all expectations throughout the regular season, but the first round shone a light on that group?s flaws. The best bet for the offseason is that Celtics general manager Brad Stevens will pursue another center to either take Queta?s starting spot or serve as a worthy backup to him.

One problem? The market for big men won?t be particularly robust. Assuming the Thunder hold onto Isaiah Hartenstein, who has a team option for next season, the most appealing free agents are likely Mitchell Robinson and Robert Williams. The Celtics will have the $15 million mid-level exception to pursue targets in July. Presumably, they would need to offer Robinson a long-term contract to have a chance of landing him. Williams, who has dealt with plenty of injury issues throughout his career, could potentially be available on a shorter-term deal.

A $27.7 million traded player exception could allow the Celtics to pursue other centers currently under contract. Among other big men, Myles Turner, Nicolas Claxton, Onyeka Okongwu, Isaiah Stewart, and Daniel Gafford would all fit within that TPE. However, Boston will have other salary-cap considerations when deciding how (and whether) to use the big roster-building tool.

Would any of those guys be the Celtics? dream center? Probably not, but they need to find an upgrade at the position somehow. If I were in Boston?s front office, I would prefer to land Robinson or Williams in free agency. That type of athleticism would be a welcome addition to a team that ranked 29th in dunks.

Given that Jayson Tatum?s return from his Achilles injury (as great as he looked) ended in another smaller injury and didn?t quite propel the team past the first round as hoped, is it time to reconsider the ?championship-or-bust? timeline some seem to hold for 2027? Should the front office prioritize players who can continue to take some of the rebounding and defensive burden off of Tatum to reduce the physical burden on him during his first full year back? ? Andrew L.

While Tatum was injured, the Celtics found players who could take some of the rebounding and defensive burden off him. They just didn?t play many of those guys during the postseason. Hugo Gonz?lez played 19 total minutes in the playoffs, while Baylor Scheierman averaged 14.1 minutes per game.

Moving forward, that wing depth should be used to avoid overworking Tatum and help him navigate the long regular season. As much as he wanted to play his normal minutes during the postseason, it probably didn?t help him to play more than 40 minutes against Philadelphia twice, less than two months after returning from a torn Achilles.

As for the ?championship-or-bust? timeline, the Celtics just won 56 games while missing Tatum for most of the regular season. They flopped during the playoffs, but have reason to hope next season should be different. With Tatum presumably closer to 100 percent, plus a frontcourt upgrade, they should be aiming for much more than a spunky regular season and disappointing first-round exit. Unfortunately for them and every other challenger, the reign of Victor Wembanyama might have already begun.

I love Derrick White. Such a winning player. What I am wondering is related to his shooting and how badly he slumped across the whole second half. I have a sense he could have been playing through an injury, but that is just a thought. What do you think caused his shooting to crater so badly, Jay? ? Thomas S.

For such a great player, White can be prone to crises of confidence. During the 2024-25 season, he set a Celtics record with 265 made 3-pointers. And still, in December and January of that season, he went through a swoon that saw his percentages dive and his shot attempts dwindle. He eventually snapped out of that slump, but couldn?t find his rhythm behind the arc this season. I thought Tatum?s return would help White as much as anyone because it would lead to easier shots for the guard, but he still never found his stroke. In the playoffs, obviously, that became a major problem.

White can be trusted to put in the work over the summer to regain his 3-point accuracy, but I thought he was beyond that issue at this point in his career. Guess not. If it were a confidence problem, he needs to remember that such talented players should never lack that.

Everyone is reasonably concerned about Jaylen Brown?s future with the team, so I will ask a different but equally critical question about the Celtics future. Two years from now, are we talking about Ron Harper Jr., as a starter and potential all-star? The guy has game, great size, is an excellent shooter and works hard on D. What am I missing? ? Dan Y.

Harper has scored in double figures four times over the first four seasons of his career. You are not missing optimism, my friend.

That said, people inside the organization really seem to believe in Harper ? and I would have said that even before Mazzulla started the wing in Game 7. The way people with the Celtics discuss Harper reminds me of the way they spoke about Sam Hauser before Hauser emerged as a valuable contributor. Everyone seemed to see Hauser?s rise coming. Even before he proved it under the bright lights, the organization realized he could play.

Harper draws similar reviews. He might only need a bigger chance, but it?s not clear if or when that will arrive. The Celtics have plenty of wings behind Tatum and Brown, including several young ones who could be ready for increased responsibilities of their own. Stevens has called Gonz?lez ?a critical part of us moving forward.? Scheierman and Jordan Walsh will also be pushing for more minutes. Harper should be in the mix for a more regular role, but he will have plenty of competition for it.

You?ve said on ?Still Poddable? (free plug!) that you think Gonz?lez could be a starting-caliber player in the next year or two. What does he have to work on to get there? ?Scoring? is the obvious answer but what kind of scoring fits his skill set best? ? Aaron M.

Thanks for listening to the podcast! As I watch the Spurs in the playoffs, what stands out most beyond Victor Wembanyama?s greatness is their relentlessness off the bounce. De?Aaron Fox is one of the league?s fastest players with the ball in his hands. Stephon Castle and Dylan Harper combine great speed with overwhelming strength. San Antonio ranks second in the playoffs in percentage of shot attempts within four feet at 37.2 percent, and it?s not just because Wembanyama is taller than everyone else.

The Celtics, who ranked last in that category during the regular season, attempted only 22.8 percent of their shots from that zone during the first round. As Stevens noted after his team?s elimination, they need to put more pressure on the rim.

Hugo Gonz?lez could eventually help them do it. He doesn?t have all the moves yet, but possesses rare athletic traits that the NBA?s best teams seem to find useful. I don?t know exactly what he will become offensively yet, but the Celtics should try to mold him into a nonstop driver who draws plenty of fouls and converts with regularity at the rim.


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Very sane & reasonable thoughts from Jay.

Harper is a wild card. I have no idea what to expect from him going forward or what his ceiling with this team might be.   Jay is spot on Hugo, IMO.


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Thanks for posting this. A few thoughts:

1. The "if shots had gone in" argument seems pretty weak to me. The fact is they didn't. So people are entitled to have opinions based on what really happened. If the Celtics had made a few more shots in Game 4 of the 2022 Finals they would have won the series. But they didn't.

2. I agree that I'd have RWIII or Mitchell Robinson over Vucevic. Slim pickings sadly.

3. Between Harper, Gonzalez, Walsh, and Scheierman, it seems like the Celtics would do well to get rid of Hauser this offseason.

EDIT: Ignore thought #1. Realizing now the original text was from a reader and not Jay. Sorry Jay!
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Thanks for posting this. A few thoughts:

1. The "if shots had gone in" argument seems pretty weak to me. The fact is they didn't. So people are entitled to have opinions based on what really happened. If the Celtics had made a few more shots in Game 4 of the 2022 Finals they would have won the series. But they didn't.

2. I agree that I'd have RWIII or Mitchell Robinson over Vucevic. Slim pickings sadly.

3. Between Harper, Gonzalez, Walsh, and Scheierman, it seems like the Celtics would do well to get rid of Hauser this offseason.

In his end of year press conference, Brad kept talking about how none of the young wings separated themselves from the rest of the group.  It will be interesting to see if he tries to make an upgrade at that position or if the Celtics see if one of them takes a Queta-type leap this year.  From the way he talked, it sounded like he felt Hugo was closest to doing so (and as the youngest and a rookie, I think he is the best candidate).

I think Hauser is moved if clearing his salary and getting an asset for him enables them to afford a major addition using the Simons TPE, but otherwise I think he remains.

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Thanks for posting this. A few thoughts:

1. The "if shots had gone in" argument seems pretty weak to me. The fact is they didn't. So people are entitled to have opinions based on what really happened. If the Celtics had made a few more shots in Game 4 of the 2022 Finals they would have won the series. But they didn't.

2. I agree that I'd have RWIII or Mitchell Robinson over Vucevic. Slim pickings sadly.

3. Between Harper, Gonzalez, Walsh, and Scheierman, it seems like the Celtics would do well to get rid of Hauser this offseason.

I'm not sure he's making an argument about anything. Basketball is a make or miss game. That doesn't mean that the Celtics deserve a championship this year, or even should have won that game 7. It just means that moving forward, their talent and gameplan could have yielded a different result on the court. But that doesn't mean they won't try to make the margins of error wider by increasing the talent or improving the gameplan.

Queta is probably better than either Robinson or RWIII. It would be nice to have depth behind him, but I'd rather get a guy that gives us a different look.

Agreed on your 3rd point. We have wing role player depth, and I think several of them are ready to take a step forward.

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Thanks for posting this. A few thoughts:

1. The "if shots had gone in" argument seems pretty weak to me. The fact is they didn't. So people are entitled to have opinions based on what really happened. If the Celtics had made a few more shots in Game 4 of the 2022 Finals they would have won the series. But they didn't.

2. I agree that I'd have RWIII or Mitchell Robinson over Vucevic. Slim pickings sadly.

3. Between Harper, Gonzalez, Walsh, and Scheierman, it seems like the Celtics would do well to get rid of Hauser this offseason.

I'm not sure he's making an argument about anything. Basketball is a make or miss game. That doesn't mean that the Celtics deserve a championship this year, or even should have won that game 7. It just means that moving forward, their talent and gameplan could have yielded a different result on the court. But that doesn't mean they won't try to make the margins of error wider by increasing the talent or improving the gameplan.

Queta is probably better than either Robinson or RWIII. It would be nice to have depth behind him, but I'd rather get a guy that gives us a different look.

Agreed on your 3rd point. We have wing role player depth, and I think several of them are ready to take a step forward.

I agree with this (at least I think I understand what you are saying).  GMs get the big bucks to decide whether losing like BOS did was caused by shots not going in or was caused by deeper coaching or roster flaws.  Do you look at what happened and fire the coach and blow up the roster?  Sometimes that is the right call.  But it may also mean that the coach and roster are largely fine and it really is just about a few shots not falling.

Of course, it is really somewhere in the middle with things like this but I don't see the need to fire the coach and blow up the roster at this point.  The roster needs one more starting level guard and a starting level big to go around Tatum, Brown, White.  Right now, all the other guards are more suited to be bench players and really none of the bigs are true starters.  Probably will not be able to address both these issues but at least need to address one.

Assuming there is no big trade of Brown for Giannis or something like that, I am wondering what it would cost to get CJ McCollum for a couple of seasons to be that starting guard that is needed.  Then do the best you can to shore up the big rotation with whatever money you have left.  There are some other guard options out there also.

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Thanks for posting this. A few thoughts:

1. The "if shots had gone in" argument seems pretty weak to me. The fact is they didn't. So people are entitled to have opinions based on what really happened. If the Celtics had made a few more shots in Game 4 of the 2022 Finals they would have won the series. But they didn't.

2. I agree that I'd have RWIII or Mitchell Robinson over Vucevic. Slim pickings sadly.

3. Between Harper, Gonzalez, Walsh, and Scheierman, it seems like the Celtics would do well to get rid of Hauser this offseason.

EDIT: Ignore thought #1. Realizing now the original text was from a reader and not Jay. Sorry Jay!

The only reason to get rid of Hauser would be to open up salary to use the TPE on a better center than we can get with the MLE (or someone making us an absurd offer for him)

I really hope Hugo, Harper, and Schierman can replace Sam's impact, but I don't want to rely on that unless it's helping us improve elsewhere.
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Thanks for posting this. A few thoughts:

1. The "if shots had gone in" argument seems pretty weak to me. The fact is they didn't. So people are entitled to have opinions based on what really happened. If the Celtics had made a few more shots in Game 4 of the 2022 Finals they would have won the series. But they didn't.

2. I agree that I'd have RWIII or Mitchell Robinson over Vucevic. Slim pickings sadly.

3. Between Harper, Gonzalez, Walsh, and Scheierman, it seems like the Celtics would do well to get rid of Hauser this offseason.

EDIT: Ignore thought #1. Realizing now the original text was from a reader and not Jay. Sorry Jay!

The only reason to get rid of Hauser would be to open up salary to use the TPE on a better center than we can get with the MLE (or someone making us an absurd offer for him)

I really hope Hugo, Harper, and Schierman can replace Sam's impact, but I don't want to rely on that unless it's helping us improve elsewhere.

That would be the whole point in selling off Hauser.  It would free up room to trade for or sign a FA with more room under the tax or first apron.  It would allow BOS to spend more and hopefully bring in better players, while conceding that Hauser's minutes will go to Scheierman and others.

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I wish that people would stop acting as though shots have a mind of their own, as though some fickle, nebulous force (and not the players) is what determines whether shots go in.

Players are responsible for poor shooting. And if the players keep taking and missing a particular type of shot -- like, say, the three-pointer -- it's on the coach to make his players try something different.
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It took 7 games for Joe to change his rotation and even egregiously decided to start Garza, Scheierman, and Harper Jr. Guys outside of Boston who have never even heard of their names. Fact of the matter is, anyone can look all-time great/record-breaking in the regular season, but completely fold in the playoffs like Joe.

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I wish that people would stop acting as though shots have a mind of their own, as though some fickle, nebulous force (and not the players) is what determines whether shots go in.

Players are responsible for poor shooting. And if the players keep taking and missing a particular type of shot -- like, say, the three-pointer -- it's on the coach to make his players try something different.

When shooters don't make shots in pressure situations, it's called choking.  Celts, unfortunately, have a propensity for this and tend to be contagious with it.  They're not a bad shooting team - until they are - then they don't seem to know what to do when except try shooting their way out of it. 
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I wish that people would stop acting as though shots have a mind of their own, as though some fickle, nebulous force (and not the players) is what determines whether shots go in.

Players are responsible for poor shooting. And if the players keep taking and missing a particular type of shot -- like, say, the three-pointer -- it's on the coach to make his players try something different.

Just want to say, this is a great line. I'm sitting at a Dunkin and actually laughed out loud reading this  :laugh: :laugh:
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From the Athletic:
Who?s your dream starting center, and what would it take to trade for them? ? Jeff M.

Giannis Antetokounmpo talk aside, what are the realistic options for building out a more playoff-ready big man rotation? Does Neemias Queta stay the starter in all scenarios? ? Nick G.

The Celtics? frontcourt surpassed all expectations throughout the regular season, but the first round shone a light on that group?s flaws. The best bet for the offseason is that Celtics general manager Brad Stevens will pursue another center to either take Queta?s starting spot or serve as a worthy backup to him.

One problem? The market for big men won?t be particularly robust. Assuming the Thunder hold onto Isaiah Hartenstein, who has a team option for next season, the most appealing free agents are likely Mitchell Robinson and Robert Williams. The Celtics will have the $15 million mid-level exception to pursue targets in July. Presumably, they would need to offer Robinson a long-term contract to have a chance of landing him. Williams, who has dealt with plenty of injury issues throughout his career, could potentially be available on a shorter-term deal.

Mitchell Robinson is injury prone too.

60 games this year
17 games last year
31 games the year before that
59 games before that

That is his last four years. He has played 8 years. He also had injuries in his first 4 years. 66 games as a rookie, 61 games sophomore, 31 games in his 3rd season, and a career high 72 games in his 4th season.

So 167 games in his last four years. Average of 42 games per season. 230 games in his first four years, average of 57 games per season. 397 games in his 8 year career for an average of about 50 games per season.

3 out of his 8 seasons he has played 31 or less games.
3 out of 8 seasons he has played 59-61 games.
2 seasons with 65+ games. 66 & 72 games.

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There are not any FA bigs to go after.  Most if not all are no better than Queta or Vucevic and/or have injury issues or some other major flaw.  Hard to find a solid starter from what is available.  There are some decent guards that could be available via FA.

The guard hole could be filled via FA without spending a fortune I believe, but I don't see anything on the FA list that would help the big rotation.  John Collins is one of the better PF options.  There really are no good C options via FA.  Maybe that is addressed via a trade or maybe just run back what we have. 

If you add a solid starting vet guard, move Hauser and Pritchard to full time bench (along with Scheierman, Walsh, and Gonzalez), then maybe you can live with a limited front court rotation of Queta, Vucevic, Garza, Williams.

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There are not any FA bigs to go after.  Most if not all are no better than Queta or Vucevic and/or have injury issues or some other major flaw.  Hard to find a solid starter from what is available.  There are some decent guards that could be available via FA.

The guard hole could be filled via FA without spending a fortune I believe, but I don't see anything on the FA list that would help the big rotation.  John Collins is one of the better PF options.  There really are no good C options via FA.  Maybe that is addressed via a trade or maybe just run back what we have. 

If you add a solid starting vet guard, move Hauser and Pritchard to full time bench (along with Scheierman, Walsh, and Gonzalez), then maybe you can live with a limited front court rotation of Queta, Vucevic, Garza, Williams.
I suspect the path to improving the front court will go one of 2 ways. 
Option 1: Hauser's traded to a team with space to take his contract without sending much if any salary back.  would help make a new TPE as well.  Extra cap space allows for more of the Simons TPE to be used to bring in a better player without putting the team into the tax.
Option 2: Brad can't get any bites for a big man trade so he signs Timelord as a FA, most likely with a games-available clause for him to get full payment but it'll be phrased as performance bonuses or something like that.