Sam Hauser trade value?

[aefgogreen]

I keep seeing how valuable he is as a trade chip, but if traded on his own, would he net us someone better than what he gives us now? I could envision him as part of a bigger deal, but in terms of a player in return, trade exception, or draft pick, who would we land for him that would make us better?

[Who]

Worth a late 1st round pick.

[aefgogreen]

Worth a late 1st round pick.

Does that net us someone better than Hauser?

[Celtics2021]

Not sure what he is worth, but any asset we gain can be used to acquire someone better with a higher salary.  Right now Hauser gets in the way of using much of our trade exception for Anfernee Simons.  Moving him for just draft assets would let us turn around and find a different player who make up to around $24 million, including acquiring that player in a sign-and-trade, while staying under the tax.  Moving him is the best way to add a true starter-caliber player without taking a wrecking ball to our core (which I understand some want to do and you may or may not be right, but this would be the least disruptive set of moves that creates a noticeable improvement).

No disrespect to Sam, because I think he is a quality NBA player who provides value relative to his contract, but it is difficult to see the Celtics improving substantially without him being moved.  His salary gets in the way of the TPE, or is otherwise useful to combine with White to add a star-level salary, and there is no one else in his salary range on the team.

[Who]

Worth a late 1st round pick.

Does that net us someone better than Hauser?

Not really. He does clear a pathway for Hugo & J Walsh to get more minutes though.

A late first has about a 20% chance of becoming a rotation caliber player. And Hauser is already a rotation caliber player. Chances of it being better than a Hauser would be very low.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

I am certainly not as well versed on the salary implications as others but if it saves us money and gives us room to bring in a more valuable asset (preferably a center) I am all for it. Hauser is a solid player, but we have (in my opinion) a better replacement in Scheierman and plenty of wing depth.

[jambr380]

Not sure what he is worth, but any asset we gain can be used to acquire someone better with a higher salary.  Right now Hauser gets in the way of using much of our trade exception for Anfernee Simons.  Moving him for just draft assets would let us turn around and find a different player who make up to around $24 million, including acquiring that player in a sign-and-trade, while staying under the tax.  Moving him is the best way to add a true starter-caliber player without taking a wrecking ball to our core (which I understand some want to do and you may or may not be right, but this would be the least disruptive set of moves that creates a noticeable improvement).

No disrespect to Sam, because I think he is a quality NBA player who provides value relative to his contract, but it is difficult to see the Celtics improving substantially without him being moved.  His salary gets in the way of the TPE, or is otherwise useful to combine with White to add a star-level salary, and there is no one else in his salary range on the team.

I just want to clear something up since there has been some confusion around how much space under the tax we actually have.

As it stands, Spotrac says that we are $13.2M under the tax, which adds up to what you have above (Hauser at $10.8M plus $13.2M equals $24M. That sounds correct if we use our TPE, but if we were to use the MLE, we should be able to spend the entire $15M, correct? All 14 of our salary slots are currently 'filled' (yet not guaranteed), so if we dropped Shulga and his $2.1M, that should presumably give us $15.3M in space to spend on his replacement.

We also will likely have several minimum players and we saw how Brad essentially dumped three of them at this last deadline to cut even more salary. Doing that would allow us to basically use the entire TPE or part of the TPE and part of the MLE.

I don't want Myles Turner, but I believe there's a world where we trade Hauser into cap space, take Turner ($26.5M) into our TPE, and then we still basically have taxpayer MLE level money (projected $6M) for another player if we trade three minimums at the deadline to just get under the tax. Banton, Harper, and Williams make a combined $7.5M.

In short, I agree with you that trading Hauser makes sense if there's a deal out there for him. Especially since we have some young wings hopefully ready to take the next step (or at least one of them ready to take Hauser's spot). It also could create some much needed depth at other positions of need.

[Celtics2021]

Not sure what he is worth, but any asset we gain can be used to acquire someone better with a higher salary.  Right now Hauser gets in the way of using much of our trade exception for Anfernee Simons.  Moving him for just draft assets would let us turn around and find a different player who make up to around $24 million, including acquiring that player in a sign-and-trade, while staying under the tax.  Moving him is the best way to add a true starter-caliber player without taking a wrecking ball to our core (which I understand some want to do and you may or may not be right, but this would be the least disruptive set of moves that creates a noticeable improvement).

No disrespect to Sam, because I think he is a quality NBA player who provides value relative to his contract, but it is difficult to see the Celtics improving substantially without him being moved.  His salary gets in the way of the TPE, or is otherwise useful to combine with White to add a star-level salary, and there is no one else in his salary range on the team.

I just want to clear something up since there has been some confusion around how much space under the tax we actually have.

As it stands, Spotrac says that we are $13.2M under the tax, which adds up to what you have above (Hauser at $10.8M plus $13.2M equals $24M. That sounds correct if we use our TPE, but if we were to use the MLE, we should be able to spend the entire $15M, correct? All 14 of our salary slots are currently 'filled' (yet not guaranteed), so if we dropped Shulga and his $2.1M, that should presumably give us $15.3M in space to spend on his replacement.

We also will likely have several minimum players and we saw how Brad essentially dumped three of them at this last deadline to cut even more salary. Doing that would allow us to basically use the entire TPE or part of the TPE and part of the MLE.

I don't want Myles Turner, but I believe there's a world where we trade Hauser into cap space, take Turner ($26.5M) into our TPE, and then we still basically have taxpayer MLE level money (projected $6M) for another player if we trade three minimums at the deadline to just get under the tax. Banton, Harper, and Williams make a combined $7.5M.

In short, I agree with you that trading Hauser makes sense if there's a deal out there for him. Especially since we have some young wings hopefully ready to take the next step (or at least one of them ready to take Hauser's spot). It also could create some much needed depth at other positions of need.

Yes, another option is to keep Hauser, use the full MLE, dropping Shulga, and dropping Banton while replacing him with pick #27.  I do not think that gets us a good enough player, personally.  A useful role player, but someone who is an upgrade to Scheierman, rather than an upgrade to our starting lineup.  That option sees improvement by hoping Tatum continues to progress to what he was before, and that one of Walsh, Scheierman, or Hugo takes a leap to become that 5th starter (or maybe pick 27 does).  Possible, certainly, and I think a lot of teams would love that to be Plan C or D, but I do not think that is going to be where we aim for at the beginning of the offseason.

[Donoghus]

Hauser should be the most expendable rotation guy on the roster. Gotta say I was kinda disappointed with him this past season and would have no qualms moving on from him.

[Celtics4ever]

 Ship him off or ORL For Wendell Carter.

[jambr380]

Ship him off or ORL For Wendell Carter.

I think that would be a dream come true from our side. Carter does everything we could ever ask from a Center and he's on a reasonable contract. I have no idea why Orlando would give him up, though, since they don't have a great replacement Center (I don't think Goga or Mo Wagner are ready to start full time). I'd obviously give up our pick this year to make it happen, but I don't think that would be enough

[CFAN38]

I wonder what his value when used as a trading up chip would be? It the Cs have a preferred target a deal would add young prospect, save cap space, and assuming the target is a big or guard opens us more min for Hugo and Walsh.

Ex Hauser +#27 for #20 saves around 10mill
    Hauser + #27 for #15 saves around 9 mill

trading up to #15 seems highly unlikely but maybe the Hornets at #18 want to add a vet?

[slamtheking]

I'm not getting the concept being mentioned where trading Hauser opens up time for Walsh and Hugo.  it probably would but neither provides the offense that Sam provides (when he's on).  moving Sam requires one of these 2 to be able to hit shots that they're struggling with.  Walsh is still young but he's had 3 years to make a genuine improvement but he still only has sporadic bouts of accuracy.