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Do you trust JB?
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Offline Goldstar88

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To be the leader of this team not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs. To get his teammates involved. To make free throws when the game is on the line. To not turn the ball over in high pressure situations. To make the right decisions in big games.

Personally, I don?t. It feels like Marcus Smart all over again. I dont feel that way with JT or D-White. Didn?t feel that way with Jrue. I just don?t trust JB to lead this team to a championship.
« Last Edit: Today at 06:06:22 PM by Goldstar88 »
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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2022 NBA Finals - turnover machine
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The answer is no I do not trust JB.


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Sure.  See 2024.


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Sure.  See 2024.

JB was not the leader on or off the court in 2024. Jrue and Al were.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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To be the leader of this team not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs. To get his teammates involved. To make free throws when the game is on the line. To not turn the ball over in high pressure situations. To make the right decisions in big games.

Personally, I don?t. It feels like Marcus Smart all over again. I dont feel that way with JT or D-White. Didn?t feel that way with Jrue. I just don?t trust JB to lead this team on the court.

Absolutely. I wanted Brown to go with Smart and others. You can't trust him, possibly the worst high usage player if you at assist/turnover-ratio. A great scorer yes, but he doesn't make others better. Although plus-minus numbers can be misleading, it should disturb any Celtics fan that over the season Brown had the worst plus-minus numbers of the team despite supposedly being the clear cut best player.

Unfortunately I don't think the Celtics will be looking to trade him and quite frankly I don't know which team actually would be very interested in Brown and be able to offer serious assets.

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To be the leader of this team not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs. To get his teammates involved. To make free throws when the game is on the line. To not turn the ball over in high pressure situations. To make the right decisions in big games.

Personally, I don?t. It feels like Marcus Smart all over again. I dont feel that way with JT or D-White. Didn?t feel that way with Jrue. I just don?t trust JB to lead this team on the court.

Absolutely. I wanted Brown to go with Smart and others. You can't trust him, possibly the worst high usage player if you at assist/turnover-ratio. A great scorer yes, but he doesn't make others better. Although plus-minus numbers can be misleading, it should disturb any Celtics fan that over the season Brown had the worst plus-minus numbers of the team despite supposedly being the clear cut best player.

Unfortunately I don't think the Celtics will be looking to trade him and quite frankly I don't know which team actually would be very interested in Brown and be able to offer serious assets.

He was without doubt the best player on a 56 win team.  How many games does the team win with Derek White or Payton Pritchard as its top player? 

Who knows, but my guess is JB would create a lot of interest. Two-way guy. Just 30, Carried a team to 56 wins.  Works to improve every off-season.  Finals MVP.  29-7-5.  29 GMs would at least stop and think. 

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Yes

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Yep.

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To be the leader of this team not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs. To get his teammates involved. To make free throws when the game is on the line. To not turn the ball over in high pressure situations. To make the right decisions in big games.

Personally, I don?t. It feels like Marcus Smart all over again. I dont feel that way with JT or D-White. Didn?t feel that way with Jrue. I just don?t trust JB to lead this team on the court.

Absolutely. I wanted Brown to go with Smart and others. You can't trust him, possibly the worst high usage player if you at assist/turnover-ratio. A great scorer yes, but he doesn't make others better. Although plus-minus numbers can be misleading, it should disturb any Celtics fan that over the season Brown had the worst plus-minus numbers of the team despite supposedly being the clear cut best player.

Unfortunately I don't think the Celtics will be looking to trade him and quite frankly I don't know which team actually would be very interested in Brown and be able to offer serious assets.

He was without doubt the best player on a 56 win team.  How many games does the team win with Derek White or Payton Pritchard as its top player? 

Who knows, but my guess is JB would create a lot of interest. Two-way guy. Just 30, Carried a team to 56 wins.  Works to improve every off-season.  Finals MVP.  29-7-5.  29 GMs would at least stop and think.

No one is debating that. This isn?t the regular season, though. The playoffs are a different animal. The pressure is different. JB was not good in the playoffs this year trying to be the leader. He couldn?t handle the pressure and wasn?t reliable.
« Last Edit: Today at 04:29:10 PM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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JB has never been the leader of this team, why would that change?
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Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
Deep Bench - Korver, Turner

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JB has never been the leader of this team, why would that change?

He was the leader of a not exactly stacked team all season and the team did pretty well.  I am not exactly clear what exactly this question is asking that I trust about him.  That he is going to be the best player on a title team?  That he is a high level #2, 2nd or 3rd team all NBA, perennial all star?

He is an imperfect but very good player.  What exactly is there to trust or not trust?

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JB has never been the leader of this team, why would that change?

He was the leader of a not exactly stacked team all season and the team did pretty well.  I am not exactly clear what exactly this question is asking that I trust about him.  That he is going to be the best player on a title team?  That he is a high level #2, 2nd or 3rd team all NBA, perennial all star?

He is an imperfect but very good player.  What exactly is there to trust or not trust?

First sentence. Do you think they can win with JB leading. Not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs as well. I don?t trust him. This is Marcus Smart all over again.
« Last Edit: Today at 05:52:08 PM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Do you trust JB?
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To be the leader of this team not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs. To get his teammates involved. To make free throws when the game is on the line. To not turn the ball over in high pressure situations. To make the right decisions in big games.

Personally, I don?t. It feels like Marcus Smart all over again. I dont feel that way with JT or D-White. Didn?t feel that way with Jrue. I just don?t trust JB to lead this team on the court.

Absolutely. I wanted Brown to go with Smart and others. You can't trust him, possibly the worst high usage player if you at assist/turnover-ratio. A great scorer yes, but he doesn't make others better. Although plus-minus numbers can be misleading, it should disturb any Celtics fan that over the season Brown had the worst plus-minus numbers of the team despite supposedly being the clear cut best player.

Unfortunately I don't think the Celtics will be looking to trade him and quite frankly I don't know which team actually would be very interested in Brown and be able to offer serious assets.

He was without doubt the best player on a 56 win team.  How many games does the team win with Derek White or Payton Pritchard as its top player? 

Who knows, but my guess is JB would create a lot of interest. Two-way guy. Just 30, Carried a team to 56 wins.  Works to improve every off-season.  Finals MVP.  29-7-5.  29 GMs would at least stop and think.

No one is debating that. This isn?t the regular season, though. The playoffs are a different animal. The pressure is different. JB was not good in the playoffs this year trying to be the leader. He couldn?t handle the pressure and wasn?t reliable.

It?s a strange question given the context. No one ever expected JB to lead a team to a championship. So if that?s the question, I feel the same as always.  I did think, after this amazing season and with JT returning, the team would advance past the first round. But these things happen in sports. They lost to a good team last year in 7 and a good team this year in 7.  Disappointing, but the previous year they won it all. Insanity to think this team was going to win a title this year, and I think just about everyone saw Celtics-Knicks as a toss-up.  I trust JB can be a champion as a 2nd star - again.

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JB has never been the leader of this team, why would that change?

He was the leader of a not exactly stacked team all season and the team did pretty well.  I am not exactly clear what exactly this question is asking that I trust about him.  That he is going to be the best player on a title team?  That he is a high level #2, 2nd or 3rd team all NBA, perennial all star?

He is an imperfect but very good player.  What exactly is there to trust or not trust?
Brown was the best player but that doesn't mean he was the leader.  I think White was the leader when Tatum wasn't around. 

The best player and the leader are often not the same player (often are, just not always).  I don't think this team has ever followed Brown at any point and I don't think they ever will.  Brown doesn't have great leadership skills and is frankly weird (at least from the public stuff he shows us).
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Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
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To be the leader of this team not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs. To get his teammates involved. To make free throws when the game is on the line. To not turn the ball over in high pressure situations. To make the right decisions in big games.

Personally, I don?t. It feels like Marcus Smart all over again. I dont feel that way with JT or D-White. Didn?t feel that way with Jrue. I just don?t trust JB to lead this team on the court.

Absolutely. I wanted Brown to go with Smart and others. You can't trust him, possibly the worst high usage player if you at assist/turnover-ratio. A great scorer yes, but he doesn't make others better. Although plus-minus numbers can be misleading, it should disturb any Celtics fan that over the season Brown had the worst plus-minus numbers of the team despite supposedly being the clear cut best player.

Unfortunately I don't think the Celtics will be looking to trade him and quite frankly I don't know which team actually would be very interested in Brown and be able to offer serious assets.

He was without doubt the best player on a 56 win team.  How many games does the team win with Derek White or Payton Pritchard as its top player? 

Who knows, but my guess is JB would create a lot of interest. Two-way guy. Just 30, Carried a team to 56 wins.  Works to improve every off-season.  Finals MVP.  29-7-5.  29 GMs would at least stop and think.

No one is debating that. This isn?t the regular season, though. The playoffs are a different animal. The pressure is different. JB was not good in the playoffs this year trying to be the leader. He couldn?t handle the pressure and wasn?t reliable.

It?s a strange question given the context. No one ever expected JB to lead a team to a championship. So if that?s the question, I feel the same as always.  I did think, after this amazing season and with JT returning, the team would advance past the first round. But these things happen in sports. They lost to a good team last year in 7 and a good team this year in 7.  Disappointing, but the previous year they won it all. Insanity to think this team was going to win a title this year, and I think just about everyone saw Celtics-Knicks as a toss-up.  I trust JB can be a champion as a 2nd star - again.

What do you mean no one expected Brown to lead the team to a championship. Celtics had the 3rd highest odds going into the playoffs to win it all behind only OKC and SAS. So now that the playoffs are over, I?m curious if people think that the Celtics can win with JB as the leader of the team.
I?m not sure how that is a strange question.
« Last Edit: Today at 06:05:09 PM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.