Time for a change?

[radiohead]

Seems like the owner does not want to pay JB the supermax. They probably do not think that he is worth it. So they are trying to sell high now. Considering who the owner is, that makes sense.

This was not selling high and our new owner is a cheapskate.  Though I agree he was not worth the Supermax.   But I believe we could have done better.

I thought Brown would have been worth more as well, but apparently other teams didn?t think so. According to Shams, Brad was engaged in trade talks with 8-10 other teams and this is what he came back with. Shame Stevens dropped the ball with Giannis. He is wasting Tatums prime years. Wouldn?t be surprised if JT asked out after next year. Unless more moves are coming..

The PG expiring is the next big move, and that is 2 years from now. I expect to have at least one season of PG unless Brad comes up with a spectacular trade. I?m sure Brad has plans to surround JT with a better supporting cast.

[Roy H.]

Seems like the owner does not want to pay JB the supermax. They probably do not think that he is worth it. So they are trying to sell high now. Considering who the owner is, that makes sense.

This was not selling high and our new owner is a cheapskate.  Though I agree he was not worth the Supermax.   But I believe we could have done better.

I thought Brown would have been worth more as well, but apparently other teams didn?t think so. According to Shams, Brad was engaged in trade talks with 8-10 other teams and this is what he came back with. Shame Stevens dropped the ball with Giannis. He is wasting Tatums prime years. Wouldn?t be surprised if JT asked out after next year. Unless more moves are coming..

The PG expiring is the next big move, and that is 2 years from now. I expect to have at least one season of PG unless Brad comes up with a spectacular trade. I?m sure Brad has plans to surround JT with a better supporting cast.

JT turns 29 this season.  How many seasons can Brad tread water before he starts wasting Tatum's prime?

And realistically, how many players better than JB are likely to be on the trade market in the next year or two?

[Goldstar88]

Really frustrating that the Celtics could have had Giannis. hopefully Brad has a plan to move PG13 at the deadline in February.

[Neurotic Guy]

Really frustrating that the Celtics could have had Giannis. hopefully Brad has a plan to move PG13 at the deadline in February.

The one opportunity the Cs had to be a legit contender this season would have been to get Giannis and hope he stayed healthy. We think we know that it would have taken Baylor and/or Hugo, but to be fair I don?t think we actually know that. But if we go back before the Giannis to Miami trade, these pages contained very mixed thoughts about trading Brown (plus) for GA.  Since GA to Miami and JB to Philly, this blog has posts every day about how Brad blew it.  I wanted Giannis here, but in fairness had we gotten him I?d be pretty concerned that our future would be completely tied to a large 31 yo with history of knee, calf, and ankle injuries.

[Roy H.]

Really frustrating that the Celtics could have had Giannis. hopefully Brad has a plan to move PG13 at the deadline in February.

The one opportunity the Cs had to be a legit contender this season would have been to get Giannis and hope he stayed healthy. We think we know that it would have taken Baylor and/or Hugo, but to be fair I don?t think we actually know that. But if we go back before the Giannis to Miami trade, these pages contained very mixed thoughts about trading Brown (plus) for GA.  Since GA to Miami and JB to Philly, this blog has posts every day about how Brad blew it.  I wanted Giannis here, but in fairness had we gotten him I?d be pretty concerned that our future would be completely tied to a large 31 yo with history of knee, calf, and ankle injuries.

Of course, now our future is entirely tied to an unpredictable future trade and/or landing a superstar  better than Jaylen Brown with a future draft pick.

[SparzWizard]

Really frustrating that the Celtics could have had Giannis. hopefully Brad has a plan to move PG13 at the deadline in February.

The one opportunity the Cs had to be a legit contender this season would have been to get Giannis and hope he stayed healthy. We think we know that it would have taken Baylor and/or Hugo, but to be fair I don?t think we actually know that. But if we go back before the Giannis to Miami trade, these pages contained very mixed thoughts about trading Brown (plus) for GA.  Since GA to Miami and JB to Philly, this blog has posts every day about how Brad blew it.  I wanted Giannis here, but in fairness had we gotten him I?d be pretty concerned that our future would be completely tied to a large 31 yo with history of knee, calf, and ankle injuries.

Giannis could have played this past season but the Bucks banned him from doing so. He was even so eagered to get back to the floor too. Whatever the issue is, he's well-rested for opening night.

So, let's say he can realistically give Miami 60-70 games this season with some load manage here and there. When he suits up in the playoffs, the Heat will be dangerous.

For Brown, Baylor, Hugo, and a couple of picks for Giannis and Portis...that's a trade I'd be willing to make all day everyday, all 7 days a week. Over sending JB to a division rival for 36-year old Paul George and some 1st and 2nd rounders all while in Tatum's prime.

[Goldstar88]

Really frustrating that the Celtics could have had Giannis. hopefully Brad has a plan to move PG13 at the deadline in February.

The one opportunity the Cs had to be a legit contender this season would have been to get Giannis and hope he stayed healthy. We think we know that it would have taken Baylor and/or Hugo, but to be fair I don?t think we actually know that. But if we go back before the Giannis to Miami trade, these pages contained very mixed thoughts about trading Brown (plus) for GA.  Since GA to Miami and JB to Philly, this blog has posts every day about how Brad blew it.  I wanted Giannis here, but in fairness had we gotten him I?d be pretty concerned that our future would be completely tied to a large 31 yo with history of knee, calf, and ankle injuries.

Giannis could have played this past season but the Bucks banned him from doing so. He was even so eagered to get back to the floor too. Whatever the issue is, he's well-rested for opening night.

So, let's say he can realistically give Miami 60-70 games this season with some load manage here and there. When he suits up in the playoffs, the Heat will be dangerous.

For Brown, Baylor, Hugo, and a couple of picks for Giannis and Portis...that's a trade I'd be willing to make all day everyday, all 7 days a week. Over sending JB to a division rival for 36-year old Paul George and some 1st and 2nd rounders all while in Tatum's prime.

Feel like people get too caught up in how many games guys are playing in the regular season. Wemby, Luka, Cade, Jokic all played 65 games or less this past season. If Giannis was load managed, played only half the season and the Celtics finished a top 4 team, who cares. The playoffs are all that matter. The Celtics would have had a starting lineup of Pritchard, White, Tatum, Giannis, Queta with Connely, Harper Jr, Walsh, Cenac, Robinson, Garza off the bench. Maybe they would have been able to add a Beal or DeRozan to the mix. That team is contending.

[Neurotic Guy]

Really frustrating that the Celtics could have had Giannis. hopefully Brad has a plan to move PG13 at the deadline in February.

The one opportunity the Cs had to be a legit contender this season would have been to get Giannis and hope he stayed healthy. We think we know that it would have taken Baylor and/or Hugo, but to be fair I don?t think we actually know that. But if we go back before the Giannis to Miami trade, these pages contained very mixed thoughts about trading Brown (plus) for GA.  Since GA to Miami and JB to Philly, this blog has posts every day about how Brad blew it.  I wanted Giannis here, but in fairness had we gotten him I?d be pretty concerned that our future would be completely tied to a large 31 yo with history of knee, calf, and ankle injuries.

Giannis could have played this past season but the Bucks banned him from doing so. He was even so eagered to get back to the floor too. Whatever the issue is, he's well-rested for opening night.

So, let's say he can realistically give Miami 60-70 games this season with some load manage here and there. When he suits up in the playoffs, the Heat will be dangerous.

For Brown, Baylor, Hugo, and a couple of picks for Giannis and Portis...that's a trade I'd be willing to make all day everyday, all 7 days a week. Over sending JB to a division rival for 36-year old Paul George and some 1st and 2nd rounders all while in Tatum's prime.

Feel like people get too caught up in how many games guys are playing in the regular season. Wemby, Luka, Cade, Jokic all played 65 games or less this past season. If Giannis was load managed, played only half the season and the Celtics finished a top 4 team, who cares. The playoffs are all that matter. The Celtics would have had a starting lineup of Pritchard, White, Tatum, Giannis, Queta with Connely, Harper Jr, Walsh, Cenac, Robinson, Garza off the bench. Maybe they would have been able to add a Beal or DeRozan to the mix. That team is contending.

I don?t feel caught up in a Giannis injury myth. There doesn?t seem to be any doubt that Giannis has had a tougher time with his body over the past few years. I wanted him here nonetheless. But that doesn?t mean there wouldn?t be health concerns if he were here. That?s why a number of posters didn?t want him here and weren?t upset when we didn?t get him. I think virtually all of those same posters were dismayed at the eventual JB trade.

Everyone understands that with a healthy GA this team would be a contender. I?ll bet Brad understands that too.  But he probably thought GA was somewhat of an injury risk and that the trade would have put the future squarely on someone?s back that he thought was a risk.

We can rue the day Brad didn?t make the trade every day of this offseason. Or we can just let it play out and see if Giannis has a relatively clean, injury free season. If he does, then Brad made the wrong call. But if Giannis has a hard time staying on the court, then maybe Brad actually knew what he was doing.

[Goldstar88]

Really frustrating that the Celtics could have had Giannis. hopefully Brad has a plan to move PG13 at the deadline in February.

The one opportunity the Cs had to be a legit contender this season would have been to get Giannis and hope he stayed healthy. We think we know that it would have taken Baylor and/or Hugo, but to be fair I don?t think we actually know that. But if we go back before the Giannis to Miami trade, these pages contained very mixed thoughts about trading Brown (plus) for GA.  Since GA to Miami and JB to Philly, this blog has posts every day about how Brad blew it.  I wanted Giannis here, but in fairness had we gotten him I?d be pretty concerned that our future would be completely tied to a large 31 yo with history of knee, calf, and ankle injuries.

Giannis could have played this past season but the Bucks banned him from doing so. He was even so eagered to get back to the floor too. Whatever the issue is, he's well-rested for opening night.

So, let's say he can realistically give Miami 60-70 games this season with some load manage here and there. When he suits up in the playoffs, the Heat will be dangerous.

For Brown, Baylor, Hugo, and a couple of picks for Giannis and Portis...that's a trade I'd be willing to make all day everyday, all 7 days a week. Over sending JB to a division rival for 36-year old Paul George and some 1st and 2nd rounders all while in Tatum's prime.

Feel like people get too caught up in how many games guys are playing in the regular season. Wemby, Luka, Cade, Jokic all played 65 games or less this past season. If Giannis was load managed, played only half the season and the Celtics finished a top 4 team, who cares. The playoffs are all that matter. The Celtics would have had a starting lineup of Pritchard, White, Tatum, Giannis, Queta with Connely, Harper Jr, Walsh, Cenac, Robinson, Garza off the bench. Maybe they would have been able to add a Beal or DeRozan to the mix. That team is contending.

I don?t feel caught up in a Giannis injury myth. There doesn?t seem to be any doubt that Giannis has had a tougher time with his body over the past few years. I wanted him here nonetheless. But that doesn?t mean there wouldn?t be health concerns if he were here. That?s why a number of posters didn?t want him here and weren?t upset when we didn?t get him. I think virtually all of those same posters were dismayed at the eventual JB trade.

Everyone understands that with a healthy GA this team would be a contender. I?ll bet Brad understands that too.  But he probably thought GA was somewhat of an injury risk and that the trade would have put the future squarely on someone?s back that he thought was a risk.

We can rue the day Brad didn?t make the trade every day of this offseason. Or we can just let it play out and see if Giannis has a relatively clean, injury free season. If he does, then Brad made the wrong call. But if Giannis has a hard time staying on the court, then maybe Brad actually knew what he was doing.

Giannis played in more games over the last two years(103) than Tatum did(88). So is JT more of an injury risk than GA? Jayson is the one who had a major injury, not Giannis. Nothing comes without risk.

[Neurotic Guy]

Really frustrating that the Celtics could have had Giannis. hopefully Brad has a plan to move PG13 at the deadline in February.

The one opportunity the Cs had to be a legit contender this season would have been to get Giannis and hope he stayed healthy. We think we know that it would have taken Baylor and/or Hugo, but to be fair I don?t think we actually know that. But if we go back before the Giannis to Miami trade, these pages contained very mixed thoughts about trading Brown (plus) for GA.  Since GA to Miami and JB to Philly, this blog has posts every day about how Brad blew it.  I wanted Giannis here, but in fairness had we gotten him I?d be pretty concerned that our future would be completely tied to a large 31 yo with history of knee, calf, and ankle injuries.

Giannis could have played this past season but the Bucks banned him from doing so. He was even so eagered to get back to the floor too. Whatever the issue is, he's well-rested for opening night.

So, let's say he can realistically give Miami 60-70 games this season with some load manage here and there. When he suits up in the playoffs, the Heat will be dangerous.

For Brown, Baylor, Hugo, and a couple of picks for Giannis and Portis...that's a trade I'd be willing to make all day everyday, all 7 days a week. Over sending JB to a division rival for 36-year old Paul George and some 1st and 2nd rounders all while in Tatum's prime.

Feel like people get too caught up in how many games guys are playing in the regular season. Wemby, Luka, Cade, Jokic all played 65 games or less this past season. If Giannis was load managed, played only half the season and the Celtics finished a top 4 team, who cares. The playoffs are all that matter. The Celtics would have had a starting lineup of Pritchard, White, Tatum, Giannis, Queta with Connely, Harper Jr, Walsh, Cenac, Robinson, Garza off the bench. Maybe they would have been able to add a Beal or DeRozan to the mix. That team is contending.

I don?t feel caught up in a Giannis injury myth. There doesn?t seem to be any doubt that Giannis has had a tougher time with his body over the past few years. I wanted him here nonetheless. But that doesn?t mean there wouldn?t be health concerns if he were here. That?s why a number of posters didn?t want him here and weren?t upset when we didn?t get him. I think virtually all of those same posters were dismayed at the eventual JB trade.

Everyone understands that with a healthy GA this team would be a contender. I?ll bet Brad understands that too.  But he probably thought GA was somewhat of an injury risk and that the trade would have put the future squarely on someone?s back that he thought was a risk.

We can rue the day Brad didn?t make the trade every day of this offseason. Or we can just let it play out and see if Giannis has a relatively clean, injury free season. If he does, then Brad made the wrong call. But if Giannis has a hard time staying on the court, then maybe Brad actually knew what he was doing.

Giannis played in more games over the last two years(103) than Tatum did(88). So is JT more of an injury risk than GA? Jayson is the one who had a major injury, not Giannis. Nothing comes without risk.

JT is here. GA was not. And yes, both are a risk as is everyone.  And risk is relative.

[Goldstar88]

Interesting..

Even with Brown in the midst of an All-NBA season for Boston in 2025-26, the Celtics were seemingly willing to trade Brown before the league?s trade deadline in February nearly a month before Jayson Tatum was even cleared to return to the parquet floor after rehabbing back from a ruptured Achilles tendon.

Charania, speaking on The Stephen A. Smith Show on Monday, said the Celtics had conversations with the Golden State Warriors through the last few months on a trade centered on Brown.

The Warriors could?ve got in the Jaylen Brown sweepstakes if they wanted to give up 4 first-round picks-ish, in that range, Charania said. They decided not to from my understanding.

Those two teams, the Warriors and Celtics did talk about a Jaylen Brown trade around the trade deadline and it was around several first round draft picks, potential swaps, and seconds. The Warriors decided not to go down that route and so that?s on them. That?s the decision they made.

[Celtics2021]

Interesting..

Even with Brown in the midst of an All-NBA season for Boston in 2025-26, the Celtics were seemingly willing to trade Brown before the league?s trade deadline in February nearly a month before Jayson Tatum was even cleared to return to the parquet floor after rehabbing back from a ruptured Achilles tendon.

Charania, speaking on The Stephen A. Smith Show on Monday, said the Celtics had conversations with the Golden State Warriors through the last few months on a trade centered on Brown.

The Warriors could?ve got in the Jaylen Brown sweepstakes if they wanted to give up 4 first-round picks-ish, in that range, Charania said. They decided not to from my understanding.

Those two teams, the Warriors and Celtics did talk about a Jaylen Brown trade around the trade deadline and it was around several first round draft picks, potential swaps, and seconds. The Warriors decided not to go down that route and so that?s on them. That?s the decision they made.

With all of these stories, I have to feel the Celtics also shopped Brown last summer, got a similarly cool market (especially since he had just had a meniscus repaired), and hoped to do better this year once he was healthy.  It had to be they were willing to take back an injured Jimmy Butler given the Warriors? salaries.  To be willing to trade the star player of a second-place team midseason for a guy who just tore his ACL is wild.

[Goldstar88]

Interesting..

Even with Brown in the midst of an All-NBA season for Boston in 2025-26, the Celtics were seemingly willing to trade Brown before the league?s trade deadline in February nearly a month before Jayson Tatum was even cleared to return to the parquet floor after rehabbing back from a ruptured Achilles tendon.

Charania, speaking on The Stephen A. Smith Show on Monday, said the Celtics had conversations with the Golden State Warriors through the last few months on a trade centered on Brown.

The Warriors could?ve got in the Jaylen Brown sweepstakes if they wanted to give up 4 first-round picks-ish, in that range, Charania said. They decided not to from my understanding.

Those two teams, the Warriors and Celtics did talk about a Jaylen Brown trade around the trade deadline and it was around several first round draft picks, potential swaps, and seconds. The Warriors decided not to go down that route and so that?s on them. That?s the decision they made.

With all of these stories, I have to feel the Celtics also shopped Brown last summer, got a similarly cool market (especially since he had just had a meniscus repaired), and hoped to do better this year once he was healthy.  It had to be they were willing to take back an injured Jimmy Butler given the Warriors? salaries.  To be willing to trade the star player of a second-place team midseason for a guy who just tore his ACL is wild.

Sounds like it. Seems that the Celtics were going to move on from JB no matter what.

[slightly biased bias fan]

Seems like the owner does not want to pay JB the supermax. They probably do not think that he is worth it. So they are trying to sell high now. Considering who the owner is, that makes sense.

This was not selling high and our new owner is a cheapskate.  Though I agree he was not worth the Supermax.   But I believe we could have done better.

I thought Brown would have been worth more as well, but apparently other teams didn?t think so. According to Shams, Brad was engaged in trade talks with 8-10 other teams and this is what he came back with. Shame Stevens dropped the ball with Giannis. He is wasting Tatums prime years. Wouldn?t be surprised if JT asked out after next year. Unless more moves are coming..

The PG expiring is the next big move, and that is 2 years from now. I expect to have at least one season of PG unless Brad comes up with a spectacular trade. I?m sure Brad has plans to surround JT with a better supporting cast.

Tatum will be close to 30 by the time George has been moved on. Go and look for a star player (in his age bracket) that could be available for the limited (disposable) assets the Celtics have, for me there are none.

Derrick White will be 34 by then and have little to no trade value. Depending on the Celtics trajectory, they might lose White for nothing in 2028 because of his players option.

I do not want to be negative on here, I just want people to fully comprehend the future path of our team. I think this upcoming season may give false hope, I can see the team winning a decent amount of games in the regular season, followed by another early playoff exit.

From my perspective, the Celtics have become the Toronto of old. Competitive in the regular season, but do not have the talent for a title run.

[Vermont Green]

Interesting..

Even with Brown in the midst of an All-NBA season for Boston in 2025-26, the Celtics were seemingly willing to trade Brown before the league?s trade deadline in February nearly a month before Jayson Tatum was even cleared to return to the parquet floor after rehabbing back from a ruptured Achilles tendon.

Charania, speaking on The Stephen A. Smith Show on Monday, said the Celtics had conversations with the Golden State Warriors through the last few months on a trade centered on Brown.

The Warriors could?ve got in the Jaylen Brown sweepstakes if they wanted to give up 4 first-round picks-ish, in that range, Charania said. They decided not to from my understanding.

Those two teams, the Warriors and Celtics did talk about a Jaylen Brown trade around the trade deadline and it was around several first round draft picks, potential swaps, and seconds. The Warriors decided not to go down that route and so that?s on them. That?s the decision they made.

With all of these stories, I have to feel the Celtics also shopped Brown last summer, got a similarly cool market (especially since he had just had a meniscus repaired), and hoped to do better this year once he was healthy.  It had to be they were willing to take back an injured Jimmy Butler given the Warriors' salaries.  To be willing to trade the star player of a second-place team midseason for a guy who just tore his ACL is wild.

I could see a scenario where at the deadline, GSW said what would it take to get Brown, and BOS said (4) firsts, and that was it.  Also, on the idea that BOS considered trading Brown last off season, there were many people on here who were pushing to blow it up.  I can see that BOS would explore that even if it was just doing due diligence or whatever.

But yeah, I think the real take-away is that Brown did not have value around the league, not last off season, not at the trade deadline, not this off season.  MIL did not even seem to value him as much as Tyler Herro.  Some of it is fair and related to advanced stats, but I would place a higher value on Brown than what the league seems to have for him.  And I don't think I am being a homer.  Kind of like Marcus Smart, sure, some of the efficiency numbers aren't great, but watch the games, Brown is a good player.  Maybe not 5-year max contract good, but good.