Giannis

[aefgogreen]

With Giannis complimenting Joe Mazz, there are bound to be rumors. If the C's could get him without giving up either of the Jays (I would keep them off the table) would you do it? He's the same age as White. Discuss.

[Phantom255x]

If you can pull it off for White, Hauser/Pritchard, Baylor and Hugo you do it. I just don't know why the Bucks would lol. And no, I'm not even giving up Queta in a deal for him. Queta is still 26 and growing while Giannis is entering his age 32 season.

I'm no cap expert but maybe someone can also explain if something can be done involving Vucevic with a S&T to Milwaukee as part of it, like is that possible too to help with salary-matching?

Ultimately though, I do expect MIL trades him this offseason and I also don't think it'll be for a fortune, BUT it'll still be better packages than what Boston can offer if they don't offer up the Jays, and even if White is dangled.

Idk if it's updated but the trade machine says White, Hauser, Baylor and basically any 2 of Pritchard/Hugo/Walsh/Queta works. But then you still have the question of if the depth on the team is good enough post-trade. Personally, I'd prefer to keep it mostly status quo and see if you can add someone with the Porzingis TPE.

[Roy H.]

Things to keep in mind:

* We'd be hard-capped at the first apron if we took on more salary than we sent out;

* Salaries must "match" within 125% + $250k

So, we'd have to send out at least $46,565,252.80 based upon next year's salaries. 

Even if we sent White + Hauser + Hugo, that's not enough.

It would take White + Hauser + three of Hugo / Walsh / Scheirmann / Harper / Williams / Shulga (or two of those guys plus our signed #1 pick)

So, let's say the Bucks take our offer of White + Hauser + Hugo + Shulga + signed #27 + future #1

That would leave us at:

Queta / Williams
Giannis / Garza
Tatum / Walsh
Brown / Scheiermann
Pritchard / Harper

We would be hard-capped at the first apron.  We'd basically have a maximum of $7m to $8m to fill out the roster (a minimum of four spots).  Without doing the specific math, I think that would allow us to sign a 4 minimum contracts, so long as at least one is a rookie.  It would be very tight.

It doesn't really seem practical to me.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Things to keep in mind:

* We'd be hard-capped at the first apron if we took on more salary than we sent out;

* Salaries must "match" within 125% + $250k

So, we'd have to send out at least $46,565,252.80 based upon next year's salaries. 

Even if we sent White + Hauser + Hugo, that's not enough.

It would take White + Hauser + three of Hugo / Walsh / Scheirmann / Harper / Williams / Shulga (or two of those guys plus our signed #1 pick)

So, let's say the Bucks take our offer of White + Hauser + Hugo + Shulga + signed #27 + future #1

That would leave us at:

Queta / Williams
Giannis / Garza
Tatum / Walsh
Brown / Scheiermann
Pritchard / Harper

We would be hard-capped at the first apron.  We'd basically have a maximum of $7m to $8m to fill out the roster (a minimum of four spots).  Without doing the specific math, I think that would allow us to sign a 4 minimum contracts, so long as at least one is a rookie.  It would be very tight.

It doesn't really seem practical to me.

You can be pretty impractical if you have a trio of Brown-Tatum-Giannis.

[aefgogreen]

If you can pull it off for White, Hauser/Pritchard, Baylor and Hugo you do it. I just don't know why the Bucks would lol. And no, I'm not even giving up Queta in a deal for him. Queta is still 26 and growing while Giannis is entering his age 32 season.

I'm no cap expert but maybe someone can also explain if something can be done involving Vucevic with a S&T to Milwaukee as part of it, like is that possible too to help with salary-matching?

Ultimately though, I do expect MIL trades him this offseason and I also don't think it'll be for a fortune, BUT it'll still be better packages than what Boston can offer if they don't offer up the Jays, and even if White is dangled.

Idk if it's updated but the trade machine says White, Hauser, Baylor and basically any 2 of Pritchard/Hugo/Walsh/Queta works. But then you still have the question of if the depth on the team is good enough post-trade. Personally, I'd prefer to keep it mostly status quo and see if you can add someone with the Porzingis TPE.

I can't imagine we'd give up both White and Pritchard.  I'm guessing if we made this deal, we'd say goodbye to at least two of Baylor, Walsh, and Hugo.

[Donoghus]

Things to keep in mind:

* We'd be hard-capped at the first apron if we took on more salary than we sent out;

* Salaries must "match" within 125% + $250k

So, we'd have to send out at least $46,565,252.80 based upon next year's salaries. 

Even if we sent White + Hauser + Hugo, that's not enough.

It would take White + Hauser + three of Hugo / Walsh / Scheirmann / Harper / Williams / Shulga (or two of those guys plus our signed #1 pick)

So, let's say the Bucks take our offer of White + Hauser + Hugo + Shulga + signed #27 + future #1

That would leave us at:

Queta / Williams
Giannis / Garza
Tatum / Walsh
Brown / Scheiermann
Pritchard / Harper

We would be hard-capped at the first apron.  We'd basically have a maximum of $7m to $8m to fill out the roster (a minimum of four spots).  Without doing the specific math, I think that would allow us to sign a 4 minimum contracts, so long as at least one is a rookie.  It would be very tight.

It doesn't really seem practical to me.

You can be pretty impractical if you have a trio of Brown-Tatum-Giannis.

If you're healthy.  Otherwise, you're up a certain creek with zero wiggle room.

[slamtheking]

Things to keep in mind:

* We'd be hard-capped at the first apron if we took on more salary than we sent out;

* Salaries must "match" within 125% + $250k

So, we'd have to send out at least $46,565,252.80 based upon next year's salaries. 

Even if we sent White + Hauser + Hugo, that's not enough.

It would take White + Hauser + three of Hugo / Walsh / Scheirmann / Harper / Williams / Shulga (or two of those guys plus our signed #1 pick)

So, let's say the Bucks take our offer of White + Hauser + Hugo + Shulga + signed #27 + future #1

That would leave us at:

Queta / Williams
Giannis / Garza
Tatum / Walsh
Brown / Scheiermann
Pritchard / Harper

We would be hard-capped at the first apron.  We'd basically have a maximum of $7m to $8m to fill out the roster (a minimum of four spots).  Without doing the specific math, I think that would allow us to sign a 4 minimum contracts, so long as at least one is a rookie.  It would be very tight.

It doesn't really seem practical to me.

You can be pretty impractical if you have a trio of Brown-Tatum-Giannis.

If you're healthy.  Otherwise, you're up a certain creek with zero wiggle room.

agreed.  having those 3 healthy pretty much wraps up the East for the C's and puts them in serious title contention against OKC and SA.  the problem is depth and possibly health issues with no real future in a few years as Giannis ages and becomes a less valuable trade asset to use to add support to the J's. 

considering the sizable risks, I'd stick with who we have and trust Brad to fill in with quality players with the new salary flexibility he's achieved this season

[Moranis]

Without including Tatum or Brown, Boston is not acquiring Giannis. So Boston is not acquiring Giannis. 

[Phantom255x]

The C's might also be trying to stay under the luxury tax again, which they should be able to do anyways just being status quo mostly, even if they re-sign Vucevic to a reasonable deal (like 8-12M a year). Then after that, they reset a lot of the restrictions and can make another 2024-type run with the Jays and White/Queta

[Goldstar88]

I?m all set on Giannis. His body seems to be starting to break down. Not surprised considering how he plays. It?s not worth giving up either of the J?s or gutting the team by giving up 5 or 6 players and all of our 1st round picks.

[Roy H.]

Without including Tatum or Brown, Boston is not acquiring Giannis. So Boston is not acquiring Giannis.

I don't think so, either, because Brad wouldn't want to handcuff himself like that.

But, what team is offering anything in the neighborhood of a First-Team All-NBA player like the Jays?

The Bucks seriously considered -- and reportedly almost accepted -- the Heat's offer of Herro + Ware + picks + swaps.

[Moranis]

Without including Tatum or Brown, Boston is not acquiring Giannis. So Boston is not acquiring Giannis.

I don't think so, either, because Brad wouldn't want to handcuff himself like that.

But, what team is offering anything in the neighborhood of a First-Team All-NBA player like the Jays?

The Bucks seriously considered -- and reportedly almost accepted -- the Heat's offer of Herro + Ware + picks + swaps.

I think the offers will exceed that in the off season when teams have more cap flexibility and more draft picks to trade.  Teams will also know how the season plays out.  I mean take the Cavs, what if they shockingly lose in the 1st round or lose badly in the 2nd round.   I think they then might look at moving Mobley for Giannis and trying a short real run with Giannis, Donovan, and Harden.  That trade didn't make as much sense for Cleveland at the deadline, but would in the summer if they flame out again.  Houston could be in a similar situation. I mean if the Rockets lose to the Lakers without Luka and Reaves, I feel like they may be willing to trade a Sengun based package.  Those 2 players are a much better starting point for the Bucks than anything they were offered at the deadline. 

[Jiri Welsch]

Don't like Giannis. Don't want him.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I'm not sure I like the idea of breaking up this team to get Giannis. Yes, having Tatum/Brown/Giannis would be amazing, and likely enough to win titles regardless of the potentially anemic supporting cast they'd be left with, but I don't think he's needed in order for this team to win titles.

And believe me, I'm surprised to be saying ?don?t break up this team,? because at the beginning of the season, I viewed players such as Garza, Scheierman, Walsh, and Gonzalez as basically useless, and Queta as being less than he's become, so this 50-win team is an unforeseen development for me. But I think they can win titles as is, and doing so with mostly home-grown players is really cool.

Plus, Giannis is now on the wrong side of 30 and his body may have already started the irreversible process of breaking down. I vote to keep things as they are, especially now that Vucevic is back to shore up the frontcourt.

[Muzzy66]

I'm on board with this as long as we keep both Jays. 

1. Giannis is locked in for a couple of years, and he's a very loyal guy so if he's happy he'd probably stay in Boston until the day he retires.

2. As long as we have Tatum, Brown and Giannis on this roster this team would be a guaranteed title contender every year, almost regardless of who we put around them. 

3. I've always said Boston is a perfect fit for Giannis, as the perimeter scoring ability of Brown and Tatum would be a perfect complement for Giannis dominance in the paint. 

4. Giannis is an elite defensive player who can guard every position and is an elite rebounder.  That trio of Tatum/Brown/Giannis would be unbelievable on defence and would be dominant on the boards.

5. Giannis, Brown and Tatum are all really good ball handlers and playmakers at their position so you wouldn't really need a traditional point guard.  The team could put almost anyone in those guard positions, so it gives them a tonne of flexablity to fill out the rest of that roster.

6. Giannis' health risk becomes a far smaller issue, because this team dominates even if he's only playing at 75%.  The fact that the load is split between the 'big 3' should also extend the careers of all three guys.

We could do something like:

Vucevic ($22M)
White ($28M)
Hauser ($10M)
Queta ($2M
Picks

For

Giannis ($54M)
Thenasis ($2M) - to keep Giannis happy
Trent Jr ($4M) - to bring back some shooting/guard depth

The Bucks get:

• A fringe All-Star and game changing guard (White)
• An good young center on a bargain deal with big upside (Queta)
• An elite shooter and reliable role player with a tonne of playoff experience (Hauser)
• A $22M expiring contract (Vucevic)
• Picks

I feel like this is a huge return. 

White and Queta alone would be huge acquisitions that would likely make the Bucks an instant playoff team.  I think this puts them in a position where they could be one piece away from being a top 5 seed, while also saving them cap space and giving them valuable picks.