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Re: League Unveils some Anti-Tanking Proposals
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I'm just not sure how having the worst team end up at #12 would help the product.  I get that it disincentives tanking, but it can also result in bad teams staying bad for a long time.


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Re: League Unveils some Anti-Tanking Proposals
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I'm just not sure how having the worst team end up at #12 would help the product.  I get that it disincentives tanking, but it can also result in bad teams staying bad for a long time.
Absolutely. This just will keep bad teams bad for longer.  It is dumb.
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I'm just not sure how having the worst team end up at #12 would help the product.  I get that it disincentives tanking, but it can also result in bad teams staying bad for a long time.
Absolutely. This just will keep bad teams bad for longer.  It is dumb.

Genuinely curious, did bad teams stay bad from 1985-1989 (I know, five years is a small sample size) when the draft had flat odds for all lottery teams?

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I'm just not sure how having the worst team end up at #12 would help the product.  I get that it disincentives tanking, but it can also result in bad teams staying bad for a long time.
Absolutely. This just will keep bad teams bad for longer.  It is dumb.

Genuinely curious, did bad teams stay bad from 1985-1989 (I know, five years is a small sample size) when the draft had flat odds for all lottery teams?
pretty much and flat odds are not the same as worse odds.  The Clippers, Kings, Pacers, Cavs, and Warriors were all basically bad that entire time. 
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To expand a bit more

Here are the 3 worst teams and where they drafted

85 - Pacers/Warriors (2nd/7th), Knicks (1st)
86 - Knicks (5th), Pacers (4th), Cavs (1st)
87 - Clippers (4th), Knicks/Nets (5th/3rd)
88 - Clippers (1st), Nets (4th), Kings (6th)
89 - Heat (4th), Hornets (5th), Spurs/Clippers (3rd/2nd)
90 - Nets (1st), Heat/Magic (3rd/4th)
91 - Nuggets (4th), Heat (5th), Kings (3rd)
92 - Wolves (3rd), Magic (1st), Mavs (4th)
93 - Mavs (4th), Wolves (5th), Bullets (6th) - it was this draft that caused the league to switch the odds as the Magic ended up 1st after just missing the playoffs and the 3 worst teams all drafted as late as possible

Now sure the Clippers were not the best run franchise, but the 88 draft when they finally got 1, was a terrible draft.  The top 5 were Manning, Smits, Charles Smith, Chris Morris, and Richmond.  Hawkins the 6th pick ended up with the most win shares followed by Mason (53rd) and Strickland (19th).  Then there was Richmond, Majerle (14th), and Grant Long (33rd).  So imagine now under these new rules, this is the draft you get #1 after being bad for several years. At least 89 was also a bad draft, but you did miss out on David Robinson in 87. 
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