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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #120 on: Yesterday at 04:37:29 PM »

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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #121 on: Yesterday at 04:39:22 PM »

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Does anyone understand how much Brown will earn (that the Patriots will have to pay) in the remaining years of his contract?  My understanding is that as currently structured, there is a $53M cap hit in 2030, but there are option years or something.  I further understand that the Pats can restructure his contract and probably will.  You expect that this has all been worked out as well.

This looks like a good trade.  I wish I understood the cap hits/salary implications better but it a big improvement for the team.  Since Boutte was not included, I would say that there will be no Diggs return.  Brown, Boutte, and Dobbs is a very strong core WR group.  Then Hollins and Douglas as depth with Kyle Williams as a developing player.  That is a strong WR group.

Now if the OL can hold up, this should be a very good offense.

Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #122 on: Yesterday at 05:11:41 PM »

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Have to give Kraft credit for opening up the wallet. Haven?t had a legit #1 WR since Moss. Can?t wait.
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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #123 on: Yesterday at 06:20:08 PM »

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Woohoo! HUGE upgrade. Best receiver Pats have had since Moss.

I'm not sure of the cap implications, and I'm generally not good at evaluating NFL pick values, but this seems like a good deal.
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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #124 on: Yesterday at 07:13:18 PM »

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Does anyone understand how much Brown will earn (that the Patriots will have to pay) in the remaining years of his contract?  My understanding is that as currently structured, there is a $53M cap hit in 2030, but there are option years or something.  I further understand that the Pats can restructure his contract and probably will.  You expect that this has all been worked out as well.

This looks like a good trade.  I wish I understood the cap hits/salary implications better but it a big improvement for the team.  Since Boutte was not included, I would say that there will be no Diggs return.  Brown, Boutte, and Dobbs is a very strong core WR group.  Then Hollins and Douglas as depth with Kyle Williams as a developing player.  That is a strong WR group.

Now if the OL can hold up, this should be a very good offense.

That final year is a void year, so the Pats don't have to actually pay that. This tidbit is in Mike Reiss' article he posted earlier:

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"The Patriots inherit Brown's contract, which runs through the 2029 season and averages $32 million per season, which is the seventh-highest in the NFL among receivers."

But also, here's a better breakdown and honestly, the cap hits are very modest IMO:

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2026: $7.04M
2027: $10.9M
2028: $17.8M
2029: $23.6M
2030: $53.5M (void)

That is not bad at all tbh.

Hell, if I am the Pats, I just pay Gonzalez, bring back Diggs on a reasonable 1-year deal (assuming the market is not there for him elsewhere) and legitimately contend for the forseeable future.

I wouldn't be surprised though if Boutte is traded away now, given he's in his final year and his contract is due. I think they will prioritize extending Gonzalez + Maye before Boutte obviously. But still, I'd have no issue bringing back Diggs on a short-term deal if he's still out there and interested. A Top-3 of Brown-Diggs-Doubs would be phenomenal with Hollins, Henry, Stevenson, Henderson and Kyle Williams in the mix.
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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #125 on: Yesterday at 07:23:08 PM »

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Sorry, but I still do not understand the contract. When you say they do not have to pay the $53M in 2030 because it is void, does that mean they will already paid it in bonuses?   And this is just a cap hit?  So they have cap relief for four seasons but then suffer this cap hit for one season in the future? 

Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #126 on: Yesterday at 07:35:43 PM »

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Sorry, but I still do not understand the contract. When you say they do not have to pay the $53M in 2030 because it is void, does that mean they will already paid it in bonuses?   And this is just a cap hit?  So they have cap relief for four seasons but then suffer this cap hit for one season in the future?

There's quite a few players and teams who now add void years on to a contract, to spread out the signing bonuses and option bonuses to lower the immediate cap hit, but ultimately the player doesn't play that extra year nor do they actually get that money listed in the void year, or years. 

The one caveat though is, having void years also makes it so a player has dead cap hits if they are sent to another team or even if they play out the contract, so in a way it's like a way to circumvent the cap space currently but deal with some of the repercussions down the road. The way the Eagles structured it, they have a dead money hit now BUT it's a lot less than if they had traded AJ Brown before June 1, hence all the waiting.

I could be wrong but the Pats do have the 53M dead money charge in 2030, that's true. But they can also easily restructure Brown's deal or extend him again soon to negate that and work around it. That's how teams like the Drew Brees-Saints and others who have been in "cap jail" over the years and end the season with "negative" cap space end up creating more easily, with the use of signing bonuses and extensions with more void years tacked on.

Ultimately I could see the Pats extending Brown's deal and ultimately that "void charge" could become spread out again in future years as part of the extension as well. It's a loophole teams exploit and I guess it's allowed in the NFL rules. It's partially why you see teams like the Rams, Chiefs, etc. give out megadeals but be fine, because it's structured in a way where the cap hit isn't that high right now (think of Ohtani and the Dodgers too, all that deferred money they were allowed to give him so it doesn't all count on their payroll right now - Ohtani signed a 10/700M deal but only 46M gets reported as luxury tax because of the deferrals, it's not a 70M/AAV)

A famous example was also Taysom Hill of the Saints. In 2021 he signed what seemed like an idiotic 4/140M deal that the Saints offered, but it was hardly that. The deal had 4 voidable years, and in reality he didn't get close to that. I forgot exactly what he got, but the gist of it was, it allowed the Saints to free up 8M in cap space immediately once he signed it.
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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #127 on: Yesterday at 08:33:47 PM »

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I guess I cant complain that we finally got our WR1, but I still think the price tag is too high.

Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #128 on: Yesterday at 09:10:09 PM »

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Can always quibble about the cost and risk, but we're trading ONE pick at the back of the 1st round, for a #1 receiver who loves the coach and is in his prime years. That's a slam dunk decision, which is not the same as zero risk.

Pats have done a pretty great job of building this team overall. The defense is stacked top to bottom. Franchise QB. Dropped a 32 year-old, #1b type receiver for a 28 year-old #1a and a new #2. Brought in two more talented OL to continue fixing our weakest point. No major losses / defections that weren't well replaced. Young guys like Kyle Williams and TreVeyon in the fold. Even grabbed a top FB.

Nothing is guaranteed, but they're going for it and have all the major pieces to contend for years. Good times.

Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #129 on: Yesterday at 09:40:50 PM »

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Yeah I don't mind it either. The 2027 draft is expected to be LOADED and the Pats didn't even trade that, they gave up a 2028 pick which is likely gonna be in the 24-30 range anyways.

Also, look at what the Rams are doing too. They are in win-now mode and just going for it, and people thought they exhausted their resources and cap space a few years ago yet last year they still made the NFCCG and are SB favorites next year

I personally wish the Pats were a bit aggressive with these kind of moves in the Brady days too. Could you imagine if they got some more elite talent some of those years especially during the gap of 9 years where they didn't win (2005-2014). This AJ Brown move, the Pats wouldn't often do this kind of move especially given AJ Brown's remaining contract. The closest is maybe Brandin Cooks in 2017 where they gave up a first, but he was a rental and at the time was still just on his rookie deal. Belichick certainly nailed some picks but he also had quite a few busts even in the early rounds. Could have used that for established talent like the Rams are doing, and the Pats did today.
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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #130 on: Yesterday at 09:53:29 PM »

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Looks like AJ Brown could don the #11. Edelman gave him the greenlit


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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #131 on: Today at 07:48:50 AM »

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Yeah I don't mind it either. The 2027 draft is expected to be LOADED and the Pats didn't even trade that, they gave up a 2028 pick which is likely gonna be in the 24-30 range anyways.

Also, look at what the Rams are doing too. They are in win-now mode and just going for it, and people thought they exhausted their resources and cap space a few years ago yet last year they still made the NFCCG and are SB favorites next year

I personally wish the Pats were a bit aggressive with these kind of moves in the Brady days too. Could you imagine if they got some more elite talent some of those years especially during the gap of 9 years where they didn't win (2005-2014). This AJ Brown move, the Pats wouldn't often do this kind of move especially given AJ Brown's remaining contract. The closest is maybe Brandin Cooks in 2017 where they gave up a first, but he was a rental and at the time was still just on his rookie deal. Belichick certainly nailed some picks but he also had quite a few busts even in the early rounds. Could have used that for established talent like the Rams are doing, and the Pats did today.

I think the Patriots could have made those kind of moves in the latter part of Brady years when it seemed they were just getting complacent. I do think the Patriots competed in so many years because they weren't overly aggressive and kept good players around, including dumping players at the first sight of decline, for younger talented players since Brady could make gold out of anything. Towards the end of the his years, I think Patriots started to rely too much on the Brady magic and didn't bring enough star power though.
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Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #132 on: Today at 08:13:46 AM »

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Yeah I don't mind it either. The 2027 draft is expected to be LOADED and the Pats didn't even trade that, they gave up a 2028 pick which is likely gonna be in the 24-30 range anyways.

Also, look at what the Rams are doing too. They are in win-now mode and just going for it, and people thought they exhausted their resources and cap space a few years ago yet last year they still made the NFCCG and are SB favorites next year

I personally wish the Pats were a bit aggressive with these kind of moves in the Brady days too. Could you imagine if they got some more elite talent some of those years especially during the gap of 9 years where they didn't win (2005-2014). This AJ Brown move, the Pats wouldn't often do this kind of move especially given AJ Brown's remaining contract. The closest is maybe Brandin Cooks in 2017 where they gave up a first, but he was a rental and at the time was still just on his rookie deal. Belichick certainly nailed some picks but he also had quite a few busts even in the early rounds. Could have used that for established talent like the Rams are doing, and the Pats did today.

The 9 gap years did have 2 SB appearances lost by a total of 7 points. One of those years includes Randy Moss and an 18-1 record. Maybe they could have done more, but I wouldnt be surprised if they won more games than any other franchise during their *drought* years.

Re: Patriots 2026-27 Off Season
« Reply #133 on: Today at 09:10:22 AM »

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The Patriots were fairly aggressive when Pioli was there. When he left after the 2008 season and Bill was doing everything, they became far more conservative. 
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