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The JT vs. JB Discourse Is Super Lame
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Online Jiri Welsch

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I'm not the type of guy who tries to dictate what others say -- and certainly not what they post about.

But for the sake of getting my opinion out there, I wanted to say just how lazy and reductive the "JT vs. JB" discourse seems. Whether people are asking, "Whose team is it?" or "Who is better?" or "Could [JT/JB] ever carry a different team?", I find it super annoying and negative. A step removed from online trolls.

I'm not sure why even Celtics fans seem to have difficulty enjoying both of them at the same time. Hopefully a few others out there agree with me.

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100% agree.  We are blessed to have both of them.

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I?m fine with people wanting to debate who is better, who should take the last shot, etc.

The is it JB or JTs team thing is so stupid, though.

I agree, we are so lucky to have both. Fortunately for us, they?ve already shown that they can play together. JT took a back seat to Brown when they won the Championship. Brown won Finals MVP. I think Tatum will have no problem fitting back in.
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I think are some legit questions about what will happen with Tatum coming back.  He hasn't played all year. Roles have changed some and he will be limited for awhile.  Wondering what happens in the short term seems perfectly reasonable to me. If they do struggle some, I think it would only be an issue this year though.  Long term will look mostly like it has in the past even if there are a few adjustments here and there. 
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I really think there is an amazing opportunity here for the team to take it to new heights with an UBUNTU kind of situation.  I would love nothing more than to see it happen, and I think Tatum is capable of buying in Joe?s philosophy tha this whole thing is not a hardship, but an opportunity. 

Call me an optimist.
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I really think there is an amazing opportunity here for the team to take it to new heights with an UBUNTU kind of situation.  I would love nothing more than to see it happen, and I think Tatum is capable of buying in Joe?s philosophy tha this whole thing is not a hardship, but an opportunity. 

Call me an optimist.

He already did buy in to Joes philosophy. The Celtics won a [dang] championshp! JT was deferring throughout the playoffs. JB won the Finals MVP. What is this madness?!  :o
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I really think there is an amazing opportunity here for the team to take it to new heights with an UBUNTU kind of situation.  I would love nothing more than to see it happen, and I think Tatum is capable of buying in Joe?s philosophy tha this whole thing is not a hardship, but an opportunity. 

Call me an optimist.

He already did buy in to Joes philosophy. The Celtics won a [dang] championshp! JT was deferring throughout the playoffs. JB won the Finals MVP. What is this madness?!  :o

Right.  But I mean in terms of re-integrating here on a team that has been winning without him and Brown being the clear leader of that charge.
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I'm not the type of guy who tries to dictate what others say -- and certainly not what they post about.

But for the sake of getting my opinion out there, I wanted to say just how lazy and reductive the "JT vs. JB" discourse seems. Whether people are asking, "Whose team is it?" or "Who is better?" or "Could [JT/JB] ever carry a different team?", I find it super annoying and negative. A step removed from online trolls.

I'm not sure why even Celtics fans seem to have difficulty enjoying both of them at the same time. Hopefully a few others out there agree with me.

I think it's more that with JT returning the hierarchy gets unsettled. Think about it this way. You are CFO of a company, and there's a CEO above you. For years you worked with this structure, then your CEO needs to take a year off for health reasons. They make you "acting CEO" until the CEO gets back and in that time your company exceeds most expectations. Now it's time for your CEO to come back but it's not immediately clear what his new responsibilities will be. You are going to go back to COO again but you will still be expected to handle more duties because your CEO is easing himself back in. Do you continue to work outside your mandate because you're proven you can do it? Do you defer to him om major decisions like you did before he took time off? Are you now co-COOs? How does your new working relationship work?

These are all legitimate questions. And none of them mean they can't work together - they clearly have worked together for the past 8+ years. It's just that the hierarchy is not quite clear and we, and they, won't know how it will all shake out until they actually start interacting as part of the team again. Good organizations tend to know how to manage these types of things, and the Celtics are a good organization, with clear goals articulated to the players, a coach that is good at managing people and their egos, and players who have historically understood they need to sacrifice to be part of a greater whole. So in that sense it's not JT's team or JB's team, I feel that's an anachronistic way of looking at it. It's the Boston Celtics and they are both key contributors to it.

So I'm pretty confident they will figure it out but there will probably be some growing pains while they do so, and because it conveniently provides a built-in narrative and storyline for the media when they are struggling for content, not to mention fans, they will be following it very closely and every little hiccup will probably be magnified and scrutinized ("oh why did JT take that shot, should have given it to JB" etc). But this storyline - how they figure it out - is something I'm actually looking forward to for the balance of the season  :police:
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I find it fascinating to take a step back and look at them without stats. The Celtics have made the conference finals in what? 6 of 8 years since the introduction of the Jays? I understand there were god tier role players surrounding them the entire time (thank you Ainge and Brad+) but when has that happened in the NBA? I/we are so lucky to be Celtics fans.

Dude even after the worst possible scenario to our best player, we are tonight 3/6/26 staring at a consensus best 2 way player 29 year old mvp candidate, a returning 28 year old 6'9 do everything cheat code off an Achilles (who knows)

19 year old do literally everything Spaniard under contract for 4 years sh/sf

Pg/sg best contract in the league, best scorer off the bench, try hard engine that could

Great contract elite defense White
Come out of no where Hammer 7'0 Hammer Queta

35 year old big man that can pass or score
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I wouldn't trade being a Celtics fan for literally anything

And 2nd edit: Im also on the edge of my seat for Tatum.
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I love the Jays. I?m guessing that?s true for just about all of us.   I?m ecstatic about tonight - can?t wait to see JT on the floor.

It?s perfectly fine imo for posters to talk about the adjustment.  There will be one. Heck, we are adjusting to adding Vuc and subtracting Simons.  Of course it will talk a little time but like most here I have some concern and high hopes.

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I find it fascinating to take a step back and look at them without stats. The Celtics have made the conference finals in what? 6 of 8 years since the introduction of the Jays? I understand there were god tier role players surrounding them the entire time (thank you Ainge and Brad+) but when has that happened in the NBA? I/we are so lucky to be Celtics fans.

Dude even after the worst possible scenario to our best player, we are tonight 3/6/26 staring at a consensus best 2 way player 29 year old mvp candidate, a returning 28 year old 6'9 do everything cheat code off an Achilles (who knows)

19 year old do literally everything Spaniard under contract for 4 years sh/sf

Pg/sg best contract in the league, best scorer off the bench, try hard engine that could

Great contract elite defense White
Come out of no where Hammer 7'0 Hammer Queta

35 year old big man that can pass or score
(Edited for reading clarity)

I wouldn't trade being a Celtics fan for literally anything

And 2nd edit: Im also on the edge of my seat for Tatum.
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