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Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 05:53:12 PM »

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Nice win.  Exactly the kind of response I wanted to see after getting beaten down in our first meeting this season.

Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 05:53:32 PM »

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I don't want the Cs to trade Simons....keep for the season and then sign him to a multi-year extension.

Depends on how he views himself. He may still think he's a lead guard, and should be paid like one. If he views himself as a 6th man, absolutely.

It's nice to have players like Hauser, Pritchard, and Simons who can win the game by themselves when they get hot.

Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 05:54:49 PM »

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So our latest target Myles Turner scored an epic 7 pts on 3-8 shooting, 1-4 from 3, 4 rebounds, 0 blocks and was a -21 in 26 mins while earning $25m this season of a $108m 4y contract while Queta scored 14 pts, 8 rebs and 4 assists and was a +17 while earning $2.5m  :angel:
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Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 05:55:41 PM »

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TPs for all! should be easy to give everyone who participated in this thread a TP  :police:
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Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #34 on: Yesterday at 06:00:06 PM »

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So our latest target Myles Turner scored an epic 7 pts on 3-8 shooting, 1-4 from 3, 4 rebounds, 0 blocks and was a -21 in 26 mins while earning $25m this season of a $108m 4y contract while Queta scored 14 pts, 8 rebs and 4 assists and was a +17 while earning $2.5m  :angel:

Turner has never struck me as a player Brad would want.  He's very enticing on paper as a stretch big, but he leaves so much to be desired with his skillset and size.  Should be impacting the game more than he does.

Then again, what do I know.  If he somehow ends up on the C's I think our coaching staff would do a good job using him properly, but then again at this stage in his career I'm wondering how malleable he is, and how much more he can be developed.

Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 06:00:18 PM »

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I don't want the Cs to trade Simons....keep for the season and then sign him to a multi-year extension.

Depends on how he views himself. He may still think he's a lead guard, and should be paid like one. If he views himself as a 6th man, absolutely.

It's nice to have players like Hauser, Pritchard, and Simons who can win the game by themselves when they get hot.

So true...Brad has done a nice job getting these players.
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Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
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Keep winning and on to Dallas and Houston...
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Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #37 on: Yesterday at 06:30:34 PM »

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Celtics gotta figure out the plan soon. Bc they ain?t winning Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.e in the playoffs with what they have.

So are they buyers or sellers?

Would help if they knew what Tatum is thinking

Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #38 on: Yesterday at 06:39:03 PM »

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Celtics gotta figure out the plan soon. Bc they ain?t winning Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.e in the playoffs with what they have.

So are they buyers or sellers?

Would help if they knew what Tatum is thinking

Yea, Brad probably hasn't spent much time on this...
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Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
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I don't want the Cs to trade Simons....keep for the season and then sign him to a multi-year extension.

Depends on how he views himself. He may still think he's a lead guard, and should be paid like one. If he views himself as a 6th man, absolutely.

It's nice to have players like Hauser, Pritchard, and Simons who can win the game by themselves when they get hot.

He?s shown he can average 20 on a bad to mediocre team.  If that?s the career he wants I?m sure there are bad teams that will pay him plenty to do that. 
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Crap ,  missed game :(


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Well deserved win

Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #41 on: Today at 12:26:07 AM »

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I don't want the Cs to trade Simons....keep for the season and then sign him to a multi-year extension.

Depends on how he views himself. He may still think he's a lead guard, and should be paid like one. If he views himself as a 6th man, absolutely.

It's nice to have players like Hauser, Pritchard, and Simons who can win the game by themselves when they get hot.

Very few players view themselves as a 6th man.  Even Jamal
Crawford started 24 games in his second 6th man campaign at age 33.

Re: Bucks (18-28) at Celtics (30-18) Game #49 2/1/26
« Reply #42 on: Today at 02:30:36 AM »

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Celtics gotta figure out the plan soon. Bc they ain?t winning Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.e in the playoffs with what they have.

So are they buyers or sellers?

Would help if they knew what Tatum is thinking

I think Brad already knows the plan, and has known for a while. They're just not telling us  :police:

Personally, I don't think they will be buyers, of it they are, it will be a small deal, someone to back up Queta and Garza maybe. They may only use a small portion of the Porzingis TPE and let the rest expire, and then create a new one with Simons. Financially, I feel that if Brad is mapping out the timetable of the Celtics contention window, he would be targeting 2027-2030 as the time when you really want to open your pocketbook, pay the tax, go over the 2nd apron, bear all the roster building penalties. Here's our salary cap for the next 5 seasons:



So right now we are $4m over the 1st apron, just under $8m below the 2nd apron, $12m over the tax line and will still be paying $nearly 40m in tax, which is a multiple of 3.25x (for every $1 we are over the tax line we pay $3.25 in tax so the $12m over the tax line becomes $39m in tax). There's only 3 teams that will be paying more tax than us this season - Cleveland ($120m), GS ($81m) and NY ($45m). If we don't reset the tax by going below it this year and next, the rate increases exponentially next season, and again the season after that.

This part will be confusing  :police:
And look at the players we have to sign to extensions in 2027-28 if their improvement continues - Queta, Walsh and Garza at least will command more than the $2.5 vet min we're paying them. Even if we did nothing else to improve our roster and assuming we brought back in the same amount of salary Simons is making now in a trade ($27m) we will definitely be over both the 2nd apron and the tax line by then.

So if we don't reset we could conceivably be paying $63m in tax in 2026-27 (5.25x the amount we are over which is $12m), and the same in 2027-28 if we didn't add salary.

But we will have to add salary with Queta, Garza and Walsh at least (I thought maybe Minott as well but he seems to have fallen off, but we may have to convert Amari to a standard contract by then) so assume Q and Walsh get $10m each and Garza $5m, thats $15m, which would increase our tax rate to 5.5x (it's complicated to explain how the marginal tax rate system works basically you get charged more the more marginal salary you take on, it's in the CBA if anyone wants to learn more about it - I think very few people will as its boring  :police:) and we would be $27m over the tax line,  which would mean we would pay $150m-$155m in tax. And that's with the current players we have, before upgrading anyone via trade.

So it's a tough call for Brad - he has to decide if he's willing to pay those tax rates right at the time that he wants to spend money to contend, or does he reset it now and be in a better position later on, when he knows he HAS to go over the tax line, because of all the extensions coming.

The only thing I could think of is if he wanted to find a player with a fungible contract as a return for Simons, someone who had value around the league whose Bird rights we could get and who could be flipped for someone else in 2027-28 if we needed to find someone. But it would be a huge risk doing that, player value changes drastically year on year.

This is quite possibly the most boring, depressing thing I've ever written on CS  :police: I just wanted to work out what Brad might be facing when it comes time to decide what to do this offseason. And because of all this I think he probably decided what to do long ago - small trade, salary dump of Simons or nothing at all.

Of course he could very well prove me wrong and swing for the fences - I would be wrong but it would be ok because it would be exciting :laugh:

@Celtics2021 and @Jambr let me know if my math added up  ;D
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