Would you trade this for Myles Turner

[KG Living Legend]

 Simon's,  Minot,  2031 first for Myles Turner.  Does it give us a championship capable lineup next year.

Turner/Queta
Tatum/Hauser
Brown/Walsh
White/Hugo
Prichard

 If we can add another high level guard with length and defense. Thats a dangerous roster.

[Birdman]

Yes unless u get Zubac from clippers

[perks-a-beast]

I would probably do it but trading away a pick so far away makes me nervous. I think I would rather throw in our first this year. This draft is impressively top heavy but rather unimpressive in the mid to late range, unlike last year; I wouldnt be too upset parting with it in a deal for a good starting center.

Ill say it until I?m blue in the face: If you go into the playoffs with Queta as your starting center, you are not a serious team.

[ozgod]

Stats aren't everything, but they are an indicator of output and production. Here is Queta compared with Myles:


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Keep in mind:

- Myles is on the first year of a 4y/$108m contract with a $30m player option in 2028-29, when he will be 33. His salary this season is $25m.
- Queta is on the 2nd year of a 3y/$7m contract with the 3rd year (next year) non-guaranteed. His salary this season is $2.3m.

Myles is averaging 12pts/5.5reb on 28mpg shooting 43% overall on 9FGA and 38% from 3 on 6 3FGA attempts a game. So 66% of his shots are from the perimeter. His PER is 13.

Neemi is averaging 10pts/8.2rpg on 25mpg shooting 65% from 7 attempts a game. He doesn't shoot 3s. His PER is 20.

Every other metric - assists, blocks, turnovers, fouls - is a wash.

Their per-36 are virtually identical, as you can see from the graphic.

So basically we would be getting a guy getting paid 10x as much as the guy we already have, who has virtually the same production, but plays much more out on the perimeter as a stretch big, doesn't rebound as much, and has a lower shooting efficiency, and I doubt his contract will age well given his production has been declining since 2022.

And we would also lose Minott in the deal.

Personally if we were to trade Simons I think we could do much better than Myles Turner. I don't think he moves the needle for us at all.

We might be better off trading Hauser and a second for Day'ron Sharpe and Noah Clowney to bolster our depth in bigs behind Queta, and then move Simons for a two way wing that can fit into the Zinger TPE which is $22m, then we can carry Simons's TPE into next season. The emergence of Walsh and Minott has made me wonder if Hauser and his $10m are expendable to fetch us better backup bigs.

[perks-a-beast]

Stats aren't everything, but they are an indicator of output and production. Here is Queta compared with Myles:


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Keep in mind:

- Myles is on the first year of a 4y/$108m contract with a $30m player option in 2028-29, when he will be 33. His salary this season is $25m.
- Queta is on the 2nd year of a 3y/$7m contract with the 3rd year (next year) non-guaranteed. His salary this season is $2.3m.

Myles is averaging 12pts/5.5reb on 28mpg shooting 43% overall on 9FGA and 38% from 3 on 6 3FGA attempts a game. So 66% of his shots are from the perimeter. His PER is 13.

Neemi is averaging 10pts/8.2rpg on 25mpg shooting 65% from 7 attempts a game. He doesn't shoot 3s. His PER is 20.

Every other metric - assists, blocks, turnovers, fouls - is a wash.

Their per-36 are virtually identical, as you can see from the graphic.

So basically we would be getting a guy getting paid 10x as much as the guy we already have, who has virtually the same production, but plays much more out on the perimeter as a stretch big, doesn't rebound as much, and has a lower shooting efficiency, and I doubt his contract will age well given his production has been declining since 2022.

And we would also lose Minott in the deal.

Personally if we were to trade Simons I think we could do much better than Myles Turner. I don't think he moves the needle for us at all.

We might be better off trading Hauser and a second for Day'ron Sharpe and Noah Clowney to bolster our depth in bigs behind Queta, and then move Simons for a two way wing that can fit into the Zinger TPE which is $22m, then we can carry Simons's TPE into next season. The emergence of Walsh and Minott has made me wonder if Hauser and his $10m are expendable to fetch us better backup bigs.

Whats the fascination with Dayron Sharpe lately? The guys just not that good. Id rather have Hauser who has become a very formidable 2 way player.

[Who]

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We might be better off trading Hauser and a second for Day'ron Sharpe and Noah Clowney to bolster our depth in bigs behind Queta, and then move Simons for a two way wing that can fit into the Zinger TPE which is $22m, then we can carry Simons's TPE into next season. The emergence of Walsh and Minott has made me wonder if Hauser and his $10m are expendable to fetch us better backup bigs.

Whats the fascination with Dayron Sharpe lately? The guys just not that good. Id rather have Hauser who has become a very formidable 2 way player.

I don't get it either.

Has the guy massively improved in the last year or so? Because the guy I remember was a below average backup center. Limited on both ends of the court.

I don't understand this idea of trying for a budget option bench center. Like that is how far away the team is from winning a championship. We are so good all we need is a passable bench piece.

I also do not understand the reluctance to pay guys what they are worth. Fair enough to be concerned about a contract if it is a bad deal that you won't be able to move. But Myles Turner + Nic Claxton are both on solid contracts. If you want to trade them, you can move them. Not only can you move them but you will get value in return for them. They are assets. Not liabilities. They are worth their contracts. I have no understanding of this refusal to pay good players fair money. If they are worth it, pay them.

[Csfan1984]

I'd pass at his salary and production.

[SHAQATTACK]

Not sure about him being the savior ,  but we need s true starting level center ,  not a bottom feeder big . Won?t sniff a title without a serious center

[jambr380]

Maybe if they give us a 1st, but definitely not if we are giving one up. Turner just doesn't move the needle for me at his salary.

[Vermont Green]

I would advise a little caution if looking solely at his stats for this season.  New team, team not doing well, his numbers are down.  Based on the prior 3 seasons I think you can still expect him to give you 15/7'ish if he was on a better team and a more established role.  His DRgt and NRtg for IND the prior season were pretty good.  He is a legit starting big.

I do have hesitations though.  His numbers have been declining the last several season, not dramatically (until this season), but steadily.  Also, I see him as a PF stuck in a Center's body.  He is more perimeter, offensively and defensively, than in the paint.  I don't think of him as a rim protector.  Actually compares favorably to Horford of recent past seasons.  Probably more offense, less defense from Turner, but statistically, his defense is serviceable I believe.

I think he can move the needle some, but admittedly not a ton.  I don't know if we can do better trading Simons, maybe.  I am not that worried about the contract.  That is what a starting big is going to cost.  I guess my final verdict is that if this was the best trade on the table for Simons, I would do it.

[Donoghus]

2031 1st seems like a bad idea.

[ozgod]

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We might be better off trading Hauser and a second for Day'ron Sharpe and Noah Clowney to bolster our depth in bigs behind Queta, and then move Simons for a two way wing that can fit into the Zinger TPE which is $22m, then we can carry Simons's TPE into next season. The emergence of Walsh and Minott has made me wonder if Hauser and his $10m are expendable to fetch us better backup bigs.

Whats the fascination with Dayron Sharpe lately? The guys just not that good. Id rather have Hauser who has become a very formidable 2 way player.

I don't get it either.

Has the guy massively improved in the last year or so? Because the guy I remember was a below average backup center. Limited on both ends of the court.

I don't understand this idea of trying for a budget option bench center. Like that is how far away the team is from winning a championship. We are so good all we need is a passable bench piece.

I also do not understand the reluctance to pay guys what they are worth. Fair enough to be concerned about a contract if it is a bad deal that you won't be able to move. But Myles Turner + Nic Claxton are both on solid contracts. If you want to trade them, you can move them. Not only can you move them but you will get value in return for them. They are assets. Not liabilities. They are worth their contracts. I have no understanding of this refusal to pay good players fair money. If they are worth it, pay them.

I guess the question is, are they worth it? And is the contract really movable? Because when you look at advanced metrics, there are other, younger, players doing what they are doing for much less. Kind of like Queta and Kornet were, when we signed them.  And if we in our lounge rooms can access that type of data I'm sure that every front office in the league can, and probably has access to much more. Of course, for every Queta or Kornet there's a Tillman where it doesn't work out.

I'm not attached to Sharpe by any means, I used him as an example of what could be a better value option than Turner. Here is Sharpe's advanced metrics from Cleaning the Glass (I have a sub and am choosing to share the information and providing credit to them).

Offensive (orange is 50th %ile or above for their position, blue is under 50th %ile).
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Sharpe is in the top 26% of all bigs in terms of his points per shot attempt (128.6), top 13% in assist % (18.5% of all teammate made shots that he assisted on), and his assist to usage ratio where he is in the top 17% of bigs with an assist to usage ratio of 0.95. The big flaw (and there's always a flaw especially at this price point) is his turnover %, where he ranks in the bottom 5% of bigs, turning the ball over 1 in every 4 times when using a possession.

If you compare with Claxton, he compares favorably, his PSA is higher, but Claxton is much better at taking care of the ball.

Then you look at his defensive metrics:

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Again Claxton and Sharpe's metrics are similar, Claxton ranks higher in blocks, Sharpe higher in steals, Sharpe ranks higher in offensive and defensive rebounds (he's in the 80th percentile at least in both metrics, as well as offensive rebounding of free throws, while Claxton is better at staying out of foul trouble.

Then we factor in their contracts:

Claxton: in 2nd year 4y/$97m contract ending in 2027-28 - https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/31590/nicolas-claxton
Sharpe: in 1st year of a 2y/$12.5m contract with a club option for next year - https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/74136/dayron-sharpe
Data from www.spotrac.com where I also have a sub 

I'm not going to die on the Day'ron Sharpe hill, but I would argue that he represents better value in terms of his production than either Claxton or Turner. The two glaring issues are the turnovers and the fouling, which is probably what is holding him back. Are those fixable? I don't know enough to say. But I would offer that that is why his name keeps getting brought up.

That being said, looking at his shooting tendencies, he seems to be very similar to Queta. He's a rim roller and dunker spot guy. He doesn't shoot from the midrange, he doesn't stretch the floor. Joe seems to like different tools in the toolkit when it comes to his bigs to force the opposition to adapt to different looks. Sharpe is a little bit too similar to Queta, in that he would just be Queta V2. He might have been someone they signed before they saw what Queta has done so far.

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As for whether Myles Turner's contract is tradeable, I wonder about that, given that Indy refused to extend him and Milwaukee was the only one willing to pay him because they needed to show Giannis they were doing everything they could to build a team around him. And given his mediocre numbers this year, he's not doing his trade value any good. But @Vermont Green said, if it became a zero-sum game where we had to get rid of Simons, we had no takers except Milwaukee, would we take on Myles's contract? Probably. But I don't think he would move the needle for us.

[Celtics4ever]

I concur, Sharpe is the better value.   Claxton is the better player at present as far as the NETS go.

No I would not trade for Myles Turner.  He does not defensive rebound and it is a glaring weakness for us.   He is a terrible rebounder across the board.  How does a guy his size average as little as 5.5 RPG per game?  Heck, Brown at 6-6 gets 6 RPG.  We would still have problems with rebounding although Tatum would help if he returns healthy.

Rebounding is about wanting the ball, and effort.    This guy does not have those traits.   Why bail MLK out of a bad deal?