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I was wrong about this team..
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I didn?t believe in this Celtics roster. Thought they?d be play-in team, best case. Really glad to be wrong and I?m now psyched for the rest of the season.

If Tatum comes back in February/March and Brad is able to make a few tweaks to the bench by the deadline..


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Re: I was wrong about this team..
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 06:27:39 PM »

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I didn?t believe in this Celtics roster. Thought they?d be play-in team, best case. Really glad to be wrong and I?m now psyched for the rest of the season.

If Tatum comes back in February/March and Brad is able to make a few tweaks to the bench by the deadline..




I?m glad you were wrong too. But in fairness I don?t think anyone was expecting what we?ve seen so far.  Even Moranis on another thread admitted that this team with JT could represent the East. We?ll have come full circle when TennS compliments Joe for the job he?s done so far.   I?m dying to know what is in Brads head right now - who he wants to target.

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I was also wrong. I also didn't think the East was gonna be this bad and that some teams like MIL and IND (even without Haliburton) were gonna completely implode.

NY and DET feel like the only real threats in the East. Cleveland has been very iffy and Orlando is also iffy while also dealing with some injuries, and they might have lost Franz Wagner for a bit too. But if JT comes back and they add another big man, this team can contend against anyone in the East for sure. The West? Admittedly there's still 3 teams probably better but whatever.
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I didn't think they were going to tank, i never understood that idea given the talent they have. But I also didn't think they'd be THIS good. Maybe 42-44 wins, right now they look like they might challenge for 50.

The emergence of Walsh, Queta, Minott and to lesser degrees the solid contributions of Scheierman/Hugo are a complete game changer. This team NEEDS cheap contributors to be able to keep together the Tatum/Brown/White core, and they've found some this year. Walsh especially looks like he may be the glue-guy 5th starter 3+D wing they desperately need.

Add one more rotation center, not even a starter just another roughly Queta level guy to split the minutes at center with him. Get JT back. Do those two things and I think they could make real noise this year. The east is so bad they may challenge for it even if those two things don't happen.

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I didn?t believe in this Celtics roster. Thought they?d be play-in team, best case. Really glad to be wrong and I?m now psyched for the rest of the season.

If Tatum comes back in February/March and Brad is able to make a few tweaks to the bench by the deadline..




I?m glad you were wrong too. But in fairness I don?t think anyone was expecting what we?ve seen so far.  Even Moranis on another thread admitted that this team with JT could represent the East. We?ll have come full circle when TennS compliments Joe for the job he?s done so far.   I?m dying to know what is in Brads head right now - who he wants to target.

Or anyone for that matter, lol. Like him or not, he is doing an incredible job with this group.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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I didn?t believe in this Celtics roster. Thought they?d be play-in team, best case. Really glad to be wrong and I?m now psyched for the rest of the season.

If Tatum comes back in February/March and Brad is able to make a few tweaks to the bench by the deadline..




I?m glad you were wrong too. But in fairness I don?t think anyone was expecting what we?ve seen so far.  Even Moranis on another thread admitted that this team with JT could represent the East. We?ll have come full circle when TennS compliments Joe for the job he?s done so far.   I?m dying to know what is in Brads head right now - who he wants to target.

Or anyone for that matter, lol. Like him or not, he is doing an incredible job with this group.
ha, beat you to it. i complemented mazzula in the game thread a few days ago. he started mixing and matching line ups like a mad scientist at first. but that strategy let him figure whom to play. it paid off.

and this team is playing hard, they need to to win given their talent levels. i credit mazzula with that as well.
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I didn't think they were going to tank, i never understood that idea given the talent they have. But I also didn't think they'd be THIS good. Maybe 42-44 wins, right now they look like they might challenge for 50.

The emergence of Walsh, Queta, Minott and to lesser degrees the solid contributions of Scheierman/Hugo are a complete game changer. This team NEEDS cheap contributors to be able to keep together the Tatum/Brown/White core, and they've found some this year. Walsh especially looks like he may be the glue-guy 5th starter 3+D wing they desperately need.

Add one more rotation center, not even a starter just another roughly Queta level guy to split the minutes at center with him. Get JT back. Do those two things and I think they could make real noise this year. The east is so bad they may challenge for it even if those two things don't happen.

I mean, they lost so much in the offseason and Tatum was expected to miss the year. So 3 starters and two very good bench players. The guys that Brad brought in over the summer haven?t been good, minus Minott. Simons is so streaky. Garza and Boucher are borderline unplayable. Hugo is hit or miss, the other rookies are long shots at best. Like you said, Some of the other younger guys taking that next step has been the difference. Queta, Minott and especially Walsh. I don?t think anyone saw that coming.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 09:18:17 PM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: I was wrong about this team..
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 09:50:59 PM »

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I didn't think they were going to tank, i never understood that idea given the talent they have. But I also didn't think they'd be THIS good. Maybe 42-44 wins, right now they look like they might challenge for 50.

The emergence of Walsh, Queta, Minott and to lesser degrees the solid contributions of Scheierman/Hugo are a complete game changer. This team NEEDS cheap contributors to be able to keep together the Tatum/Brown/White core, and they've found some this year. Walsh especially looks like he may be the glue-guy 5th starter 3+D wing they desperately need.

Add one more rotation center, not even a starter just another roughly Queta level guy to split the minutes at center with him. Get JT back. Do those two things and I think they could make real noise this year. The east is so bad they may challenge for it even if those two things don't happen.

I mean, they lost so much in the offseason and Tatum was expected to miss the year. So 3 starters and two very good bench players. The guys that Brad brought in over the summer haven?t been good, minus Minott. Simons is so streaky. Garza and Boucher are borderline unplayable. Hugo is hit or miss, the other rookies are long shots at best. Like you said, Some of the other younger guys taking that next step has been the difference. Queta, Minott and especially Walsh. I don?t think anyone saw that coming.

Simons has been streaky but there are times that I love having him on the floor. He a threat to score on every possession and despite not being a gifted defender he?s shown good effort. 

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I didn't think they were going to tank, i never understood that idea given the talent they have. But I also didn't think they'd be THIS good. Maybe 42-44 wins, right now they look like they might challenge for 50.

The emergence of Walsh, Queta, Minott and to lesser degrees the solid contributions of Scheierman/Hugo are a complete game changer. This team NEEDS cheap contributors to be able to keep together the Tatum/Brown/White core, and they've found some this year. Walsh especially looks like he may be the glue-guy 5th starter 3+D wing they desperately need.

Add one more rotation center, not even a starter just another roughly Queta level guy to split the minutes at center with him. Get JT back. Do those two things and I think they could make real noise this year. The east is so bad they may challenge for it even if those two things don't happen.

I mean, they lost so much in the offseason and Tatum was expected to miss the year. So 3 starters and two very good bench players. The guys that Brad brought in over the summer haven?t been good, minus Minott. Simons is so streaky. Garza and Boucher are borderline unplayable. Hugo is hit or miss, the other rookies are long shots at best. Like you said, Some of the other younger guys taking that next step has been the difference. Queta, Minott and especially Walsh. I don?t think anyone saw that coming.

Did they though? i mean think about what they actually lost. They lost KP who only played about half the games and even when he didn't play they still won at almost a 75% rate. He was great but never super important to regular season results. They lost Jrue but did get back Simons who may not be as good as an overall player but does give you better microwave scoring off the bench which helps this version of the team without Tatum. They lost Kornet who was good, but more like backup big good and they've more than replaced his output with Queta which is maybe surprising but not shocking I'd say.

Honestly Horford was maybe the most important loss, just because a solid defensive 3+D centers are hard to find but he was a 39 year old who only had so much to give in the regular season.

I don't know, i think people sort of
A) Overrated the guys they lost based off the star power of names rather than what those guys actually were by the time we moved them.
B) Forgot that increased minutes for unknown guys would more than likely lead to at least a few breakouts. Just because Walsh/Minott/Queta/Scheierman didn't get regular minutes on really good teams never meant they were bad, just meant they weren't ready THEN. 
C) Forgot that the C's were a 60+ win team. You can lose a lot of talent off a 60+ win team and still be a good team. Its not the c's were the pacers' who were barely a 50-win regular season team last year. The Celtics had more margin of error to lose guys with how stacked the team was.

I just think in retrospect it was all a bit of an overreaction. The Tatum loss is HUGE, gigantic, he's probably worth 10+ wins himself. But the other guys were always to some degree replaceable, especially considering KP just couldn't stay healthy. You can find 5th, 6th and 7th best players with a little luck, especially during the regular season.

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I didn't think they were going to tank, i never understood that idea given the talent they have. But I also didn't think they'd be THIS good. Maybe 42-44 wins, right now they look like they might challenge for 50.

The emergence of Walsh, Queta, Minott and to lesser degrees the solid contributions of Scheierman/Hugo are a complete game changer. This team NEEDS cheap contributors to be able to keep together the Tatum/Brown/White core, and they've found some this year. Walsh especially looks like he may be the glue-guy 5th starter 3+D wing they desperately need.

Add one more rotation center, not even a starter just another roughly Queta level guy to split the minutes at center with him. Get JT back. Do those two things and I think they could make real noise this year. The east is so bad they may challenge for it even if those two things don't happen.

I mean, they lost so much in the offseason and Tatum was expected to miss the year. So 3 starters and two very good bench players. The guys that Brad brought in over the summer haven?t been good, minus Minott. Simons is so streaky. Garza and Boucher are borderline unplayable. Hugo is hit or miss, the other rookies are long shots at best. Like you said, Some of the other younger guys taking that next step has been the difference. Queta, Minott and especially Walsh. I don?t think anyone saw that coming.

Did they though? i mean think about what they actually lost. They lost KP who only played about half the games and even when he didn't play they still won at almost a 75% rate. He was great but never super important to regular season results. They lost Jrue but did get back Simons who may not be as good as an overall player but does give you better microwave scoring off the bench which helps this version of the team without Tatum. They lost Kornet who was good, but more like backup big good and they've more than replaced his output with Queta which is maybe surprising but not shocking I'd say.

Honestly Horford was maybe the most important loss, just because a solid defensive 3+D centers are hard to find but he was a 39 year old who only had so much to give in the regular season.

I don't know, i think people sort of
A) Overrated the guys they lost based off the star power of names rather than what those guys actually were by the time we moved them.
B) Forgot that increased minutes for unknown guys would more than likely lead to at least a few breakouts. Just because Walsh/Minott/Queta/Scheierman didn't get regular minutes on really good teams never meant they were bad, just meant they weren't ready THEN. 
C) Forgot that the C's were a 60+ win team. You can lose a lot of talent off a 60+ win team and still be a good team. Its not the c's were the pacers' who were barely a 50-win regular season team last year. The Celtics had more margin of error to lose guys with how stacked the team was.

I just think in retrospect it was all a bit of an overreaction. The Tatum loss is HUGE, gigantic, he's probably worth 10+ wins himself. But the other guys were always to some degree replaceable, especially considering KP just couldn't stay healthy. You can find 5th, 6th and 7th best players with a little luck, especially during the regular season.

KP wasn?t available for most of the postseason, but he did play in 70% of the regular season games. He took a lot of pressure off of JT and was often the second best player on the Celtics. A big part of why Boston won 60+ games.

I don?t think the C?s win that championship without Jrue, so suggesting Simons is a replacement for him is crazy to me. Simons is not even good enough to start on this Celtics team. He can score, but doesn?t do anything else well. Jrue does everything well.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 11:28:25 PM by Goldstar88 »
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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I didn't think they were going to tank, i never understood that idea given the talent they have. But I also didn't think they'd be THIS good. Maybe 42-44 wins, right now they look like they might challenge for 50.

The emergence of Walsh, Queta, Minott and to lesser degrees the solid contributions of Scheierman/Hugo are a complete game changer. This team NEEDS cheap contributors to be able to keep together the Tatum/Brown/White core, and they've found some this year. Walsh especially looks like he may be the glue-guy 5th starter 3+D wing they desperately need.

Add one more rotation center, not even a starter just another roughly Queta level guy to split the minutes at center with him. Get JT back. Do those two things and I think they could make real noise this year. The east is so bad they may challenge for it even if those two things don't happen.

I think the conference being awful is a big part of it, but 50 wins would be wildly over-performing, I think.
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I don?t think Celtics other than Walsh are too much better than I thought they?d be. Kinda going along with the rest of the east is playing really sad basketball. I?m not convinced this surge will hold up without Tatum?s return and a proper center .

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All of our young guys are now suddenly hits to varying degrees with Queta and Walsh looking like possible long-term starters in this league. I'm glad everybody is signed through at least next season, but those cheap minimum contracts might turn into Nic Claxton and Dyson Daniels level contracts if those guys keep playing like they are. I guess there are worse problems to have.

But I was wrong, too. I thought they'd be a play-in with the potential to be worse with any major injury. Hoping that doesn't happen, but I'm happy to see that our young guys are the one producing rather than our older vets who have a lot less potential. Didn't think our 12th, 13th, and 14th guys on the roster would all be veteran bigs who can't see the floor.